2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

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Between Sinitsyna, Kanisheva and Kostyuk
I prefer Kostyuk.

So, I finally watched programs of them to see who you are even talking about and I must say that I prefer Kostyuk, too. Obviously her jumps aren‘t the best and she had quite some rough landings compared to what I saw especially from Sinitsyna. I don‘t like Kanisheva‘s FP at all, it‘s much too hectic for my taste and Sinitsyna‘s SP isn‘t my cup of tea either. All in all, I‘m not that particularly impressed by any of them to be quite honest ?? But I enjoyed watching Kostyuk the most even though I‘d say Sinitsyna’s probably going to be the most successful.

Please note, though that this is only my two cents from having seen two programs of each. So obviously I can‘t really judge as I know literally nothing about the any of them. Who had the best results last season?

 

[Tolstoj]

So, I finally watched programs of them to see who you are even talking about and I must say that I prefer Kostyuk, too. Obviously her jumps aren‘t the best and she had quite some rough landings compared to what I saw especially from Sinitsyna. I don‘t like Kanisheva‘s FP at all, it‘s much too hectic for my taste and Sinitsyna‘s SP isn‘t my cup of tea either. All in all, I‘m not that particularly impressed by any of them to be quite honest ?? But I enjoyed watching Kostyuk the most even though I‘d say Sinitsyna’s probably going to be the most successful.

Please note, though that this is only my two cents from having seen two programs of each. So obviously I can‘t really judge as I know literally nothing about the any of them. Who had the best results last season?

I don't think Kostyuk jumps are bad, correct edges on both flip and lutz, she is just inconsistent.

It's hard to say who had the best results, probably Kanysheva which is the least appealing for me, but she's also the most consistent and she has the 3ltz-3lo, Sinitsyna had the highest score in the SP though.

Programs for me are actually not bad, i wonder who's the choreographer, Nadia Kanaeva maybe? are Rafael Arutyunyan and his wife still working with Svetlana Panova? I like their packaging, maybe even more than Eteri's skaters. Daniil's programs are hit and miss: he can create beautiful programs like what he did for Anna Shcherbakova or Alena Kostornaya, but also bad ones (Alexei Erokhov's FS).

Anyway i've seen worse programs, like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLmQKpl71DA

Terrific skater, One of us is not a bad pick but what's up with that flailing arms? and why the change of music halfway?

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Sinitsyna also has 3Lz-3Lo but I think Kanysheva had better results last year, then Sinitsyna, then Kostyuk

 

[Elana]

Anybody know what happened to Liza Nugumanova? She was one of my favorite skaters two years ago, but she doesn't seem like she's as good as she used to be. She seems like she still skates a lot from her instagram and her videos look pretty decent. It seems like after she left Mishin she wasn't the same, her choreo last season wasn't great and she just looked sloppy. Anyways is she still a junior and does she have any chance of becoming anything? She was just so graceful before and I miss that.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Anybody know what happened to Liza Nugumanova? She was one of my favorite skaters two years ago, but she doesn't seem like she's as good as she used to be. She seems like she still skates a lot from her instagram and her videos look pretty decent. It seems like after she left Mishin she wasn't the same, her choreo last season wasn't great and she just looked sloppy. Anyways is she still a junior and does she have any chance of becoming anything? She was just so graceful before and I miss that.

Her and Serafima are training mates under coach Angelina Turenko in St Petersburg

https://www.instagram.com/p/BjFxe3Lhe7E/

 

[hanca]

Anybody know what happened to Liza Nugumanova? She was one of my favorite skaters two years ago, but she doesn't seem like she's as good as she used to be. She seems like she still skates a lot from her instagram and her videos look pretty decent. It seems like after she left Mishin she wasn't the same, her choreo last season wasn't great and she just looked sloppy. Anyways is she still a junior and does she have any chance of becoming anything? She was just so graceful before and I miss that.

She always had the landing very close to underrotating. While it was still fine when she was a tiny kid, she grew up a bit and suddenly it wasn’t fine any more. Plus the others (e.g. Samodurova) caught up, and Tutberidze’s girls overtook her. She is in a difficult situation now; she is not as good as the current juniors, but at the same time she doesn’t have enough points to get senior GP. So if she moves to seniors, it will be only B competitions. It is tough when there is so many good ladies. In any other country she woukd probably be one of the top seniors and in Russian she just isn’t.

 

[Shayuki]

What? I hope Sinitsyna, Kanisheva and Kostyuk will all compete in JGP this season. I think Ksenia and Anastasia can get good scores outside Russia too (not as high obviously)

In Moscow locals, Panova skaters get overscored wildly in comparison to how they get scored in Russian national competitions and, of course, internationally. That Sinitsyna pic just about sums it up.

Right now, I think that Kanysheva is probably the best out of her juniors but none of them I consider to be anything all that special. A part of that might be because I dislike every Panova program.

Anybody know what happened to Liza Nugumanova? She was one of my favorite skaters two years ago, but she doesn't seem like she's as good as she used to be.

She has steadily regressed since the 14-15 season and I feel like her career will be a repeat of Fedichkina's. Just not good enough.

 

[hanca]

Well, that shows that being great at the age of 10 does not mean much. Gubanova, Nugumanova and Tsurskaya were ahead of the girls who are easily beating them now. Internationally, the judges don’t care how great the skater was a few years ago when they weren’t even junior eligible (or even when they were, like Tsurskaya). That’s why I don’t really bother to follow any more the girls who are not junior eligible yet.

 

[Shayuki]

Well, that shows that being great at the age of 10 does not mean much. Gubanova, Nugumanova and Tsurskaya were ahead of the girls who are easily beating them now. Internationally, the judges don’t care how great the skater was a few years ago when they weren’t even junior eligible (or even when they were, like Tsurskaya). That’s why I don’t really bother to follow any more the girls who are not junior eligible yet.

Nugumanova was 12 at the time.

And really, it has more to do with how much the level has increased. Nugumanova at the age of 12 indeed was a top talent, but if she was a 12-year-old right now(And skated at the same level as she did in 14-15) she would struggle to be a top 10 talent. Hard to see what she would be better than Shabotova at, for instance.

Right now, I consider quad/3A potential a serious deal breaker and the most important thing for these young talents.

 

[Anni234]

Nugumanova was really the first junior I ever started following. I remember how her grandfather used to film her skating and gush about her. So I am sad she hasn't really lived up to the expectations, but she's still young. At least in theory, anything could happen.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

She always had the landing very close to underrotating. While it was still fine when she was a tiny kid, she grew up a bit and suddenly it wasn’t fine any more. Plus the others (e.g. Samodurova) caught up, and Tutberidze’s girls overtook her. She is in a difficult situation now; she is not as good as the current juniors, but at the same time she doesn’t have enough points to get senior GP. So if she moves to seniors, it will be only B competitions. It is tough when there is so many good ladies. In any other country she woukd probably be one of the top seniors and in Russian she just isn’t.

I personally hope she is given two challengers this year and a chance to establish herself there

 

[Tolstoj]

A part of that might be because I dislike every Panova program.

Really?

For example personally i think Sotskova had better programs when she was with her than now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG6_OqRZGQI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI4AI8i_kDA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMixGiSBx8c

 

[Spirals for Miles]

But Kanysheva's SP and FS, and Sinitsyna's SP...

 

[karina17]

In my opinion, Sinitsyna’s and Kanysheva’s short programs aren’t terrible, but Kanysheva’s FP...that program is an Eldritch abomination. Who decided it would be a good idea to stitch Crazy in Love, tomb raiding video game soundtracks, happy sailor-themed music, and Catgroove into one 3.5 minute program? Horrifying.

 

[Tolstoj]

In my opinion, Sinitsyna’s and Kanysheva’s short programs aren’t terrible, but Kanysheva’s FP...that program is an Eldritch abomination. Who decided it would be a good idea to stitch Crazy in Love, tomb raiding video game soundtracks, happy sailor-themed music, and Catgroove into one 3.5 minute program? Horrifying.

It's a Gatsby program, they picked the music from the film just like any other Gatsby program (remember Mirai's FS in 2016?)

These are the tracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roCY6-EfZfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsaDwfLl1P4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LziomVuDgik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXrdYwG17PE

 

[Shayuki]

Really?

For example personally i think Sotskova had better programs when she was with her than now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG6_OqRZGQI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI4AI8i_kDA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMixGiSBx8c

Yes, really.

Well, Sotkova's current programs don't exactly set the bar very high. I did prefer her older programs as well, and in fact, she just was a superior skater in every aspect back then. But if we're talking here and now, it's a different story. Perhaps Panova's taste became worse for my enjoyment.

 

[hanca]

Nugumanova was 12 at the time.

And really, it has more to do with how much the level has increased. Nugumanova at the age of 12 indeed was a top talent, but if she was a 12-year-old right now(And skated at the same level as she did in 14-15) she would struggle to be a top 10 talent. Hard to see what she would be better than Shabotova at, for instance.
Right now, I consider quad/3A potential a serious deal breaker and the most important thing for these young talents.

No, she wasn’t twelve. She was known 2-3 years before she became junior eligible. But you are right that the level of younger girls increased dramatically too.Nevertheless, those girls who are beating her now are exactly the same girls that she had been beating at that time.

 

[Shayuki]

No, she wasn’t twelve. She was known 2-3 years before she became junior eligible. But you are right that the level of younger girls increased dramatically too.Nevertheless, those girls who are beating her now are exactly the same girls that she had been beating at that time.

2014-2015. She became junior eligible in 2016-2017.

Well, she might have been known earlier(Like Gubanova was known since 8yo?) but that's when she became "famous".

Looking back, well she had a 186.07 point event just after turning 12. But other than that one event, it's actually nothing all that crazy.

 

[tars]

Nugumanova was really the first junior I ever started following. I remember how her grandfather used to film her skating and gush about her. So I am sad she hasn't really lived up to the expectations, but she's still young. At least in theory, anything could happen.

I've read on Russian forum once, Gubanova's mom was gushing about her as well, saying to people in the rink her kid can easily outskate then-idol Yulia easily.
Which actually could have been true at that time, but didn't matter in a longer run.

I like Nastia very much, so please mind it may be a total rumour. :agree:

 

[Shayuki]

I've read on Russian forum once, Gubanova's mom was gushing about her as well, saying to people in the rink her kid can easily outskate then-idol Yulia easily.
Which actually could have been true at that time, but didn't matter in a longer run.

She really was strong at the time. But then she never advanced past that. Having 7 triple programs as a 11yo doesn't mean much if you only have 7 triple programs as a 15yo, especially if everything's not perfect. That's why when it comes to junior success, nowadays you have to look for all the other things also.

Take Zagitova vs Gubanova. Gubanova hyped since 10yo, finally able to skate in juniors. Zagitova an essential unknown who didn't even make the JGP in her first year of junior eligibility. But everything that happened in the past was completely meaningless. Both were able to jump 7 triple programs but Zagitova was more stable and had more challenging content. Gubanova's gaudy jump technique is such a deal breaker, you just cannot afford that when every point matters.