2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[charlotte14]

Of course. Dasha is very much entitled to make her own choices. However, I don‘t think you just change your coach if you A) have the best chances to success with him/her and B) are happy on a personal level. So something must have happened and we‘re not very likely to find out unless she tells us. And if it was just her leaving, nobody would bat an eyelid or at least people wouldn‘t be so curious. But as she‘s already the fourth student this off-season, we naturally start to wonder whether something‘s up in Team Tutberidze. But we’re not going to know anyway, so wishing her all the best and that she can settle with her new team and achieve what she wants to!

Yes, I agree with you on this. We can never know what truly happened unless the girls talk up themselves. But for some people to declare different skaters with different background move away just because of same political move from the fed that dislike Eteri... welll logic?

 

[leoleo]

Idk how big of a role Zhenya would play in the other girls decisions to leave. I mean they all have different abilities, goals and paths. Zhenya's reasons for leaving were pretty obvious and she moved to another hugely known and respected coach. I don't understand why the other girls would leave because Zhenya left too. Polina has health issues and i always saw her leaving, plus she has so much potential but with Zhenya and Alina she was never going to be a priority, adding the junior girls now, she was doomed to stay in the shadows. it seems Tarakanova too has health issues, she might not be able to compete on the level that is expected at Sambo, who knows? plus with the other super juniors she would never come 1st or 2nd or even 3rd (with Scherbakova being able to compete now). we do not know why Daria left yet.

Plus it's said that there are more parents wanting to have their kids train under Eteri than there ever was (because of the olympics probably), it's gonna be a "12yrs old girls jumping 3lz-lo,3as and quads" fest soon at Sambo 70 and to me it makes sense to leave. It's not like Zhenya was the first ever Eteri girl to leave. I believe there are other issues we do not know of (financial, funding issues, parents decisions maybe) that have nothing to do with Zhenya leaving.

 

[Fruitpie]

But for some people to declare different skaters with different background move away just because of same political move from the fed that dislike Eteri... welll logic?

There is always some politicking from someone. That's a law of basic logic.
My guess is that Eteri so deeply wounded by Medvedeva that she is insufferable. And some girls can't take it anymore. But the thing is they still have an opportunity to stay, they will leave only if someone somewhere would say "Hey, you can go to me, you'll do so much better with me". They will never go, if there is no place to go in the first place. And guess who said that "Hey"?
Or maybe you're trying to say that Goncharenko, Rumyantseva and others whose careers were totally ruined by fed's politicking through their students also were the ones to blame?

 

[Spirals for Miles]

The thing is, CSKA gets a lot more support. So I would guess they have better training facilities, both on and off ice. That could be an enticing reason for someone to move. Really, Eteri should be supported more, though, by the Fed because she's certainly producing a lot more champions than anyone at CSKA. Buyanova's been around longer, but her students don't seem to progress at the rate of Eteri's.

 

[leoleo]

The thing is, CSKA gets a lot more support. So I would guess they have better training facilities, both on and off ice. That could be an enticing reason for someone to move. Really, Eteri should be supported more, though, by the Fed because she's certainly producing a lot more champions than anyone at CSKA. Buyanova's been around longer, but her students don't seem to progress at the rate of Eteri's.

does CSKA really get more support from the fed? i don't know much about the politicking in the sport but how come? Is there someone from CSKA who has really good connections within the fed or something? You'd think Eteri would be their favorite with how many medals she brings them :think:

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I'm not totally sure, but as far as I know, CSKA is something of an army club and gets a lot of fed support for any sport there

 

[ejnsofi]

I'm not totally sure, but as far as I know, CSKA is something of an army club and gets a lot of fed support for any sport there

It doesn't get more money per athlete but it's really old and prestigious club with tradition. Definitely had more time to develop and build facilities compared to sambo-70 which before Olympic Games was known for combat disciplines not figure skating. Also as cska is better known it's possible it has some private sponsors or people who are willing to donate.

 

[esteticlove]

Hm, have we discussed the probability that maybe Eteri herself didn't want to work with Panenkova anymore? It won't be the first time that she decides to throw some of her students out. It's also the beginning of the new 4-year cycle up until the next Olympics, so they might make some place for new students.. I don't know. It's really strange

 

[[email protected]]

Zagitova, Trusova, Scherbakova, Kostornaya - may be it's the core she wants to focus on? Plus Lizbet who is the challenge of her own. But at this moment her success should be the matter of pride for Eteri.

 

[leoleo]

Hm, have we discussed the probability that maybe Eteri herself didn't want to work with Panenkova anymore? It won't be the first time that she decides to throw some of her students out. It's also the beginning of the new 4-year cycle up until the next Olympics, so they might make some place for new students.. I don't know. It's really strange

it's possible too! i mean she did kick Alina out at some point before giving her another chance. I seriously doubt it's a "everybody is leaving evil eteri" party as some seem to think.

 

[Sugar Coated]

There is always some politicking from someone. That's a law of basic logic.
My guess is that Eteri so deeply wounded by Medvedeva that she is insufferable. And some girls can't take it anymore. But the thing is they still have an opportunity to stay, they will leave only if someone somewhere would say "Hey, you can go to me, you'll do so much better with me". They will never go, if there is no place to go in the first place. And guess who said that "Hey"?
Or maybe you're trying to say that Goncharenko, Rumyantseva and others whose careers were totally ruined by fed's politicking through their students also were the ones to blame?

I think it’s more likely that the person who said that “hey” are the former Eteri students. Like the girls reached out to Polina to see what it was like and then she helped facilitate the move. Maybe even Zhenya too, asking what it was like switching coaches and get her advice about being unhappy in their current situation.

I’m worried about the pressure this puts on Alina and how Eteri will treat her now.

 

[silverfoxes]

I don't buy this "poaching" stuff at all. There are only so many places to move to and if you're unhappy with Eteri, CSKA is obviously the next best option in Moscow (or all of Russia, really). One can become disenchanted with a coach for many reasons and I think that once things start to go south with Eteri, she doesn't have the people skills to make it right again. Hence her students all eventually "run away." Frankly, I think if it was a poaching situation then CSKA would have tried to work it out during the official transfer period and not halfway through the summer. And it doesn't explain Tarakanova or Evgenia, who both did not go to CSKA. I think moving at this point in summer is something you only do if you are really miserable and desperate. Good luck to Dasha.

 

[Shayuki]

But I don't think CSKA is a good destination considering all the recent competition there. Someone like Panova would make sense... And she's 10 times the coach that Buianova is.

 

[madison]

It's really strange what it is happening in Eteri's camp.
I'm sure that the rumor about Dasha leaving Eteri is true. I don't get the reason though, because usually the transfers take place in May and this is also important for funding. It doesn't make sense to move in the middle of July, after you almost completed the training camp. Maybe there are personal reasons for that?
As for Tarakanova, I think health issues played a role in taking a break and moving(because she just started with Plushenko)
Edit... I do believe that, in general, the level of games and intrigues in the Russian figure skating is very high and important persons within the RusFed or with great connection to influence things.

 

[silverfoxes]

But I don't think CSKA is a good destination considering all the recent competition there. Someone like Panova would make sense... And she's 10 times the coach that Buianova is.

Really, is that why Tarakanova and Sotskova left her? What results at senior level does Panova have to show she's "10 times the coach Buyanova is"? I am no big fan of Buyanova, but she has far more political clout and better facilities.

It is getting crowded in her group, but it was even more crowded at Sambo, so...

 

[katymay]

Zagitova, Trusova, Scherbakova, Kostornaya - may be it's the core she wants to focus on? Plus Lizbet who is the challenge of her own. But at this moment her success should be the matter of pride for Eteri.

Not to mention Sofia, all of 10 years old and already better than most of the seniors.

 

[Shayuki]

Really, is that why Tarakanova and Sotskova left her? What results at senior level does Panova have to show she's "10 times the coach Buyanova is"? I am no big fan of Buyanova, but she has far more political clout and better facilities.

It is getting crowded in her group, but it was even more crowded at Sambo, so...

Sotskova's an interesting example... Because she regressed after leaving Panova.

Buianova's accomplishments involving making her skaters worse after switching to her speak volumes... Doesn't take much for one to be better than her.

Not to mention Sofia, all of 10 years old and already better than most of the seniors.

Sofia is 11.

 

[silverfoxes]

Sotskova's an interesting example... Because she regressed after leaving Panova.

Buianova's accomplishments involving making her skaters worse after switching to her speak volumes... Doesn't take much for one to be better than her.

And Panova has never had a successful senior student at all. While you may think she is better at coaching juniors than Buyanova and she may well be, coaches do need to show results at the senior level to establish a real reputation. You know, GP, Worlds, Olympics...etc. How many people who don't follow Russian juniors could even pick Panova out of a lineup? Her 2 most high profile students left and never looked back. Tarakanova could have gone back to her, but chose not to.

 

[madison]

Sotskova's an interesting example... Because she regressed after leaving Panova.

Buianova's accomplishments involving making her skaters worse after switching to her speak volumes... Doesn't take much for one to be better than her.



Sofia is 11.

And Radionova didn't improve either.... on the contrary. i still have hopes for Radio... she is one of my favorites....

 

[yoloaxel]

It's true that politics play a role in Russian FS more than they do in other countries perhaps, but I doubt that Medvedeva, Tsurskaya, Tarakanova and Panenkova all moved because of politics. They probably each had their own reason for it, in my opinion, and each chose the coach that suited their needs better.