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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

I guess, she even has not broken 170 yet. Well, another planned gold and silver. If Sinitsina's score is about 190 it will be a big discussion who of the silvers will have the second spot. I root for Tarusina.

Another interesting thing is that Japan wants Nana to avoid Eteri's "big three". It means that they hope to see her in the final. Whom do we have at the fourth stage? May be it will be good for Anna S second event? What about Gubanova, Tarakanova, and Gulyakova? I remember Vasilyeva from the last season and I am not sure that she should take a precious spot.

At the fourth event, we will see Shcherbakova and supposedly Tarakanova, but... I'm not sure she's really ready. I love her a lot, and I would hate to see her disappointed and potentially never seen again for the rest of the season like Gubanova. The thing is, we see You Young there, and while she's not a contender if everyone is clean.... if they're not, she could sneak ahead. And in the AOP IG the other day, Nastya struggled to land her 3Lz. I hope it's just a fluke, but ahhh, I'm a little nervous :think:

Also: I think Araki is injured. And really, even if she had the one JGP stage without an Eteri name, in order to have a hope of the final, she'd need to be at another one, and that would contain an Eteri girl.
 
Kostornaia is so elegant. Great great great skating skills and the jumps were very good as well. I hope this season she can win more often. Nobody’s really speaking about the fact that she didn’t even do 3a in practice though? Anna did her 4lutz last week, just not in the program but Alenka did not even show it in practice? It still seems like her program is choreographed for it to eventually be the first jump element.
Kostornaya said that it's not very consistent and that she hopes to add it for the JGPF.

It indeed is troubling how she's not even been attempting it in practice, along with the tone of some interviews. Hopefully she'll get it to be somewhat stable.
 
I hope so, too.
The JGPF seems far away but it's just in three months. Really hard to believe :)
 
Kostornaya said that it's not very consistent and that she hopes to add it for the JGPF.

It indeed is troubling how she's not even been attempting it in practice, along with the tone of some interviews. Hopefully she'll get it to be somewhat stable.

Overall, Eteri team seems to be playing safe in the JPG. For example, Shcherbakova's 4Lz, which she attempted at test skates to show to fed, but didnt at JGP.
Meanwhile, Alena looks a bit more physically mature this season (compare her pics from previous season with how she looks now), which wold kinda explain the lack of 3A and quads - since her body is changing, the team would rather focus to keep her previous layout, rather than increasing difficulty while she is growing)
 
Well the difference is, Anna was planning on 4Lutz but they had a discussion with the coaching staff at the venue and then decided against it. That's a bit different from Kostornaya never even attempting it in practice, not here or test skates.

Also, Kostornaya still didn't upgrade her layout. She still does +2T+2T as the 3 jump combo and doesn't -3Lo combo. Even Anna Tarusina upgraded to a -2T-2Lo combo.
 
Overall, Eteri team seems to be playing safe in the JPG. For example, Shcherbakova's 4Lz, which she attempted at test skates to show to fed, but didnt at JGP.

I think it has something to do with the new ISU rules too. Now It's more costly to take a risk. So they want a new difficult jump to be more stable before they do.
And perhaps not everyone can quickly recover after mistake on the first element as Sasha did last year.
They want to be sure about difficult jumps.

+ They need to be smart about ISU ratings and SB list. They want to be sure that every girl will be able to get Senior GP spots.
 
Although if there's more than 9 Russians on the SB list... they can't all get 2. Unless they change the rules :biggrin:
 
All this talk about juniors... It's time to talk about the Empress! :love:

https://twitter.com/TuktikLiza/status/1035399025212764161

Yesterday she posted this, apparently the music for her new FS is Catgroove (could be a Gatsby program)

https://twitter.com/TuktikLiza/status/1036242932674842625

Given that is her best program was probably the 2014-15 FS, i think this is a good pick.

I’m getting more excited to see her debut. She seems super confident and motivated this season, as others have mentioned. Will be cheering her on to slay :)
 
Why is everyone doubting Tarakanova? She did messed up test skate with 2 falls but she land some nice jumps + combo too and its been awhile since test skate. Also isnt AOP Instagram literally already confirm that she's going to Canada?
 
I’m getting more excited to see her debut. She seems super confident and motivated this season, as others have mentioned. Will be cheering her on to slay :)

Yes, i'm excited to see her at Test Skates.

If she gets the consistency back, i think she can still achieve a lot. This is her 7th season in seniors (and she's still 21), nowadays she's the only russian skater with a long lasting career.
 
Well the difference is, Anna was planning on 4Lutz but they had a discussion with the coaching staff at the venue and then decided against it. That's a bit different from Kostornaya never even attempting it in practice, not here or test skates.

Also, Kostornaya still didn't upgrade her layout. She still does +2T+2T as the 3 jump combo and doesn't -3Lo combo. Even Anna Tarusina upgraded to a -2T-2Lo combo.

I basically think that the not upgrade has to do with playing safe. She seems to be going through some physical changes, and it seems to me the team had to chose between consistency and tech upgrades.
 
Yes, i'm excited to see her at Test Skates.

If she gets the consistency back, i think she can still achieve a lot. This is her 7th season in seniors (and she's still 21), nowadays she's the only russian skater with a long lasting career.
Consistency is certainly the question on our minds about Liza.

As said above, she and Mishin are sounding confident about her technical level. She's posted IGs of her 3A and 3Lz-3T that were lovely.

Seeing these in competition with her maturity would be amazing.
 
I basically think that the not upgrade has to do with playing safe. She seems to be going through some physical changes, and it seems to me the team had to chose between consistency and tech upgrades.
And TAT's concerns (voiced in her Junior test skates interview) are borne out.

Such heavy penalties for 'bad exits' from elements will keep skaters from attempting new elements and will hold back the sport.
 
This is why I am skeptical of -5/+5 GOE, since I think less skaters will go for the risky elements and just try to get high GOE.
 
This is why I am skeptical of -5/+5 GOE, since I think less skaters will go for the risky elements and just try to get high GOE.

The basis of the new SOV is to better reward skaters for the quality of elements. If they are not ready and put in a poor attempt, they will get penalized heavily, by getting 1/3 of the score minus fall deduction of a perfectly executed, rotated jump, for example. Skaters should anticipate a decent success rate in practice before they attempt it in competition. There have been many cases in the past where skaters just put a likely jump with a fall to get the BV advantage and do it at almost every competition. With that said, I'm for skaters making attempts in early season competitions to execute it under some pressure, assess consistency in competition, and seeing if the risk/reward ratio of the element is worth it for inclusion in more important competitions.
 
Well, we are already seeing it discourage skaters from attempting elements.
Anna's 4Lz was almost ready to go but there was so much pressure to win and get a second spot that they didn't put it in. Kostornaya and You Young haven't done their 3As. Who knows what Trusova will do?

Is this really the direction for a sport to go?
 
It‘s just that people have seen so many programs with soundeffects from Team Eteri that they‘re starting to get annoyed by it. We‘ve literally had it from Medvedeva‘s first SP in senior level with the “wind“ in the end, to her SP the next season with the camera and the planes and voiceovers in the FS. But all this time it was only her so people only criticized her for this and not whole Team Eteri. But now it‘s like a reaccuring trend for all of them.

It's as if somebody would criticize Sergio Leone that he was directing only (in fact mainly, not only) spaghetti westerns. So what? :laugh: It was his field he liked. If Eteri's team likes to work not only with music but with other sounds too, why people could not see it as trying something other, something that others don't do or do rarely. That doesn't mean that it have to be always used wisely, but I don't see it as a reason for criticizing just the fact itself. I could say in the same way "why everybody just use pure music without anything else, they are copying themselves" or something like that.

I can see how people could get annoyed by this even though personally, I don‘t feel this way. I never minded Medvedeva‘s sound effects, I don‘t mind them now. The only ones I was a bit critical off in the beginning were Alena‘s Leo voiceovers because... well, I still hear Rose calling “Jaaaack!“ during Elena‘s otherwise so beautiful layback spin. It was likely still the trauma of that Titanic program still haunting my brain. :palmf: But they‘re by far not as atrocious as Titanic‘s were so it‘s okay. I‘m not a fan of them but I don‘t mind them that much either. And about the general use of soundeffects... well, people, that might be the future. First we got music with lyrics for skating, now it‘s sound effects. I don’t mind it, I think it gives a nice touch and I actually like that Team Eteri somehow has something that makes them unique. These small things that people call “gimmicks“... well, it makes them stand out from the rest. That, combined with their phenomenal skating leads to them becoming stars at a very young age. People remember them. They always remember people who are different and outstanding. Whether you find it good or not is another thing. :shrug:

About Elena, if I'm right, it was her who wanted to skate to Titanic theme and probably had some influence on the result. Sometimes I see that people criticize that skaters, in Eteri's team particularly, don't have the influence on the creation of the program. Well, it can be said that Elena's program could be the detergent example :devil:, although if she felt comfortable with it, why to criticize it.

That being said, this of course does not mean that I enjoy every program for the simple fact that there are sound effects included. That would be... well. Pretty stupid to say it mildly. I‘m not completely sold on Alena‘s FS yet and Alina‘s SP is a huge questionmark right now but - and there‘s a big but:

This was Alena‘s FIRST official competition of the season and she‘s skating a very difficult program with ridiculous transitions + having loads of pressure on her to deliver. How can anyone expect a perfect skate including passionate interpretation of the music? She was nervous, she didn‘t skate her new FS yet at a competition. She needs to get used to it, grow into it, improve it and continue to work. Same with Anna‘s FS. I don‘t particularly love it either but it‘s already a lot better than it was during Dreams on Ice.

And that's why I stay aside from the wave of criticism. Even some ratial objections are completely flooded with at least exaggerated expectations, to say it politely. People (if I do not speak about pure haters) probably expected that Anna and Alëna will just fly to the sky and when that's what they didn't get, they turned into holy anger with preparing the crucifiction party for poor Daniil. Even if someone doesn't like some particular choreos from him, that doesn't mean that somebody is right when is screaming "fire Daniil" or similar BS. E. g. There is no writer who wouldn't have written some book weaker than others, if he had written more of them. But is that a reason why stop reading his books completely?

And we haven‘t even seen Alina‘s SP yet apart from a performance in a show. I don‘t like POTO in general so I didn‘t expect too much and I still find the music cuts to be extremely weird but it might grow on me as a program as the season goes on and she improves. I was never a particular fan of DQ. Only after watching it multiple time and especially the one performance at the Olympics - I grew to appreciate and love it. Same with Black Swan. That‘s why I‘m a bit careful with saying that I don‘t “like“ a program for now. Because even though a program isn‘t good now, doesn‘t mean it can‘t ever be. And just because I don‘t like it now doesn‘t mean I can‘t grow to appreciate it in the future.

And I‘m feeling a bit sorry for Daniil to be honest. Last year‘s program were masterpieces because they each managed to catch the spirit of the skater performing it perfectly - Alena‘s, Sasha‘s, Nastya‘s, Alina‘s. I didn‘t love all of them equally but I can say that they suited each of their personality really, really well. And if you get compared to something outstanding like that, the result likely will be worse. It‘s simply not possible to produce constantly and solely good programs. There have to be weak links. It‘s not like he‘s not trying. I bet he‘s probably trying too much. Team Eteri should really go and get a second choreographer to help Daniil out and split the work. Medvedeva has had her SP program choreographed by Alexander Zhulin in her early senior days, why isn‘t he choreographing for Team Eteri anymore? Or somebody else? Cause I really feel like that could help solve the problem.

I've also said several times I'm not a big fan of musicals and that Carmen isn't my favorite opera, but personal preferences of one spectator are not anything that could be decesive anyhow. We say "100 men, 100 tastes", you can never satisfy all of them, but somehow many people argue just from the position I don'tlike this music therefore it is bad completely. At such conditions I could never watch most of the programs at all :)
About the comparison with the last years programs, it is exactly what I wrote about writers, not every book can be equally good (but which one is worse is again the matter of personal taste). But again, I live with the awareness of this natural fact, therefore I don't tend to immediate bashing of the program jus t because "I liked the lasone more".

I also agree that team should have more choreographers, because it is natural that there is a need of change, but it is not only the matter of what should be. There isn't unlimited number of choreographers (at least on proper level) to choose from, there are many obsatcles - time, work for another teams, money etc.
 
This, definitely.
That's why I said I think she didn't interpret the music, probably because she was too focused on getting a spot. The competition is tough and now she has the pressure of being adored and hyped. She seems to have a good head so I'm sure she'll get used to it. Then, I think she'll be able to express the story behind the music.

About the choreography, I don't know what's going on in Eteri's camp... First they give a beyond bad POTO short to Alina and now this awkward R&J... :unsure:
But Alena's marvelous skating already saved the hell out of that choreo! If she puts emotion into it and really interprets the music then we'll probably forget how uninspiring the choreography is. :laugh:

Well, we are already seeing it discourage skaters from attempting elements.
Anna's 4Lz was almost ready to go but there was so much pressure to win and get a second spot that they didn't put it in. Kostornaya and You Young haven't done their 3As. Who knows what Trusova will do?

Is this really the direction for a sport to go?

I think so! Although Kolyada had that one beautiful quad lutz, watching him fall 99% of the time was awful. Especially when he has such a beautiful 3Lz.

I’m all for trying new elements, but make them consistent before they go in a program. Kinda like what Yuzuru does.
 
Well, we are already seeing it discourage skaters from attempting elements.
Anna's 4Lz was almost ready to go but there was so much pressure to win and get a second spot that they didn't put it in. Kostornaya and You Young haven't done their 3As. Who knows what Trusova will do?

Is this really the direction for a sport to go?
It seems too early to tell. Wait until the finals when they are all competing against each other and not just looking to qualify.
 
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