2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

[Spirals for Miles]

I Hope that this will earn Tarakanova two spots. As far as we know there are three spots left for the 2nd finishers (Unless Vasilieva loses her spot for next week). The standings at present is as follows.
Kanysheva 2nd with 191.84,
Tarakanova 2nd with 190.69,
Tarusina 2nd with 186.68 (Here there was the problem with the invalidated spin, the approx 4pts for that would put her at similair scores to Kanysheva and Tarakanova.)
Sinitsyna 3rd with 187.91

I think they will all get two spots except for Sinitsyna: Kanysheva at Yerevan as assigned, Tarusina at Ljubljana as assigned, and Tarakanova at Yerevan over Vasilieva. If they wanted to give Sinitsyna a chance, they could put her at Ostrava, but I doubt that they will.

 

[plushyfan]

Yes but it will takes some time. For a better performance she has to take more off-ice time with the dance choreographer, just like Tutberidze girls improve their overall movements thanks to Zheleznyakov's work. However, for Nastya No.1 priority right now is to keep her jumps and to return her stamina.

In Plushenko academy there are also classical ballet lessons and dance lessons.

classical ballet
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnEWbtPFa1U/?taken-by=angelsofplushenko

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnAqH14FooR/?taken-by=angelsofplushenko

https://www.instagram.com/p/Blj4HEvl_cP/?taken-by=angelsofplushenko even on the seaside

dance lesson https://www.instagram.com/p/BlTEXIyBIyZ/?taken-by=angelsofplushenko and many more videos, of course

there is acting class for the little pupils..https://www.instagram.com/p/BhECwVsnBcn/?taken-by=kramer_dance_center this is my favorite :luv17:

Plushenko said not once the figure skating is ballet, theater and sport...

 

[alvina9894]

Tarakanova is much faster and her footwork is much more graceful. Deep edges, high speed and beautiful free leg. I prefer her skating to Shcherbakova's mulekicks.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

By the way, by qualifying for the JGPF last night, Anna qualified for senior Russian Nationals as well.
So now 10/18 spots are filled (9 of GP ladies, 1 of JGPF so far)

 

[typeyournamehere]

Tarakanova is much faster and her footwork is much more graceful. Deep edges, high speed and beautiful free leg. I prefer her skating to Shcherbakova's mulekicks.

from what i've noticed, Tarakanova now has
1) simpler transitions - she is quite fast on the ice (though she was fast enough even with last year's programs packed with transitions)
2) better air position - idk if it just seems to me, but her jumps look more stable now, except those wonky landings i felt very confident watching her jumps, that wasn't always the case in previous year. Probably she impoved her grouping in the air.

 

[senatormls]

I've seen some of the Russian ladies' test skates this past week and I'm seeing improvement with Medvedeva's Lutz. But overall, I wasn't impressed. The program and her skating were meh. Could it be a new technique from Orser? Zagitova worries me the most. I can imagine that it is hard to get back to a rigorous daily routine after winning Olympic gold. She fell quite often and had no spark with her program. Yes we all know she is using Carmen, the old warhorse, but the choreo is basic ( hopping to the climatic beats in the music). Is she having growng pains/puberty issues?
I was rather impressed with Liza ( Tukt). Good attempt at the triple axel! Her stamina is slowly coming back and her jump technique is better than the first 2 skaters I mentioned.
Anna P. : I hope she has had some off ice therapy. She has the talent, but is very emotionally unstable. Her falls are indicative of this.
Lastly, Leonova.. she should be very proud of her silver world medal from 2012.

 

[TGee]

I've read a lot of negative comments on Nastya's programs but I am happy to see that people here appreciate her. I enjoyed her SP and FP a lot. I don't know if she's grown that much but her proportions look better and the costumes suit her well, although they're not that spectacular. I liked her choreos too, she has very good SS, in my opinion she could be compared with Kostornaia in terms of SS. Also, I noticed a lot of improvements on her jumps, good height and great extenctions when leaving the jump. The only tinny problem I have is that in both programs there are some moves a la Pluschenko with being sexy and playful (where she moves her body and hips) which are not for her yet, she doesn't have the maturity yet to sell that kind of performance. It almost seems as if she's kind of shy/embarassed to do them which kind of interupts the otherwise good interpretation of the music.

I agree. One can see that Nastya is not comfortable with that kind of expression as yet.

And interestingly enough, the school posted a gif a while back of Plushenko himself teaching her that part of the FS choreo and trying to get her to imitate his demonstration.

Also, for the SP, Ted Barton noted she did not vary her facial expressions.

My sense is that, as this is her first season, the team has given her something in the stamp of the school. As they know her better, they may be better able to find the best fit for her.

But so many things are really great, and in my view much better than Anna Shcherbakova's:

Good posture, nice clean jumps - picked jumps off the toe, much less prerotation, good height and distance.

Her skating foot is in a much tighter circle in spins, her skating leg is staying more vertical and on axis. The spins are fast and the body is not wobbling at the top.

Skating skills and speed, including into jumps, is very good, and positioning her well for when she moves to seniors.

 

[TGee]

I noticed Nastya's jumps were much bigger than Anna S's and I liked them a lot Plus the Rock Moonlight Sonata was an interesting spin on the music. So I did enjoy her skate more than Anna's.

I wonder why the tech panel called her quad lutz under-rotated, they showed a slo-mo and it looked pretty good to me. Conspiracy!

Ted Barton has been noting, on several of the skaters, that one of the markers of an underrotatated jump is the little hook that the skating foot has to make right after landing.

And he would know as he was one of the senior tech specialists that was asked by the ISU to come up with the IJS after the Salt Lake City scandal made 6.0 untenable.

I do believe that if you look at the feet rather than her body in the air, you will see why she got the call.

 

[atsumiri]

That quad was fully rotated. Wasn’t any less rotated than some of the ratified triples that we saw from the other girls. That's even less justified than with Sasha whose Lz was rotated too.
These tech specialists should be ashamed of themselves. :disapp:
They need to get glasses. ASAP.

 

[alvina9894]

As far as I know, from the 30FPS and 43FPS (slow-mo replay is 0.7x normal speed) videos of Shcherbakova's quad lutz I see no evidence of underrotation. However, both the real-time and slow-mo replay did not capture the moment when Shcherbakova's toe pick touches the ice. During the first frame of landing her whole blade is already on ice and within the 90 degree mark.

The only explanation other than a false UR call is that the tech panel may see videos with high FPS that shows an underrotation.

 

[colormyworld240]

Ted Barton has been noting, on several of the skaters, that one of the markers of an underrotatated jump is the little hook that the skating foot has to make right after landing.

And he would know as he was one of the senior tech specialists that was asked by the ISU to come up with the IJS after the Salt Lake City scandal made 6.0 untenable.

I do believe that if you look at the feet rather than her body in the air, you will see why she got the call.

Yes but Ted said that Anna's quad lutz was fully rotated, both in real time and also on the slow motion replay. There was no hook on her landing.

 

[moriel]

As far as I know, from the 30FPS and 43FPS (slow-mo replay is 0.7x normal speed) videos of Shcherbakova's quad lutz I see no evidence of underrotation. However, both the real-time and slow-mo replay did not capture the moment when Shcherbakova's toe pick touches the ice. During the first frame of landing her whole blade is already on ice and within the 90 degree mark.

The only explanation other than a false UR call is that the tech panel may see videos with high FPS that shows an underrotation.

But then there is also such stuff as benefit of the skater and so on. If its so hard to see the UR... My main guess is that they called UR because of the fall, basically.
At any rate, it looks as rotated as any of Shoma's quads for instance.

 

[TGee]

But then there is also such stuff as benefit of the skater and so on. If its so hard to see the UR... My main guess is that they called UR because of the fall, basically.
At any rate, it looks as rotated as any of Shoma's quads for instance.

As it happened, Shoma got one UR call on his FS in Lombardia.

I like her, and I regret she got the call, but I think that as on edge calls, the judges are moving towards increasing strictness on UR. Less benefit of the doubt...

I just hope that as the new IJS scoring settles down over this season, the calls will be more consistent across different tech and judges panels.

And I hope that the RussianFed takes into account this greater variability in scoring during this JGP due to judges applying the revised scoring for the first time.

 

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I've seen some of the Russian ladies' test skates this past week and I'm seeing improvement with Medvedeva's Lutz. But overall, I wasn't impressed. The program and her skating were meh. Could it be a new technique from Orser? Zagitova worries me the most. I can imagine that it is hard to get back to a rigorous daily routine after winning Olympic gold. She fell quite often and had no spark with her program. Yes we all know she is using Carmen, the old warhorse, but the choreo is basic ( hopping to the climatic beats in the music). Is she having growng pains/puberty issues?
I was rather impressed with Liza ( Tukt). Good attempt at the triple axel! Her stamina is slowly coming back and her jump technique is better than the first 2 skaters I mentioned.
Anna P. : I hope she has had some off ice therapy. She has the talent, but is very emotionally unstable. Her falls are indicative of this.
Lastly, Leonova.. she should be very proud of her silver world medal from 2012.

 

[typeyournamehere]

Ted Barton has been noting, on several of the skaters, that one of the markers of an underrotatated jump is the little hook that the skating foot has to make right after landing.

And he would know as he was one of the senior tech specialists that was asked by the ISU to come up with the IJS after the Salt Lake City scandal made 6.0 untenable.

I do believe that if you look at the feet rather than her body in the air, you will see why she got the call.

https://streamable.com/1d6gk

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Anna’s lutz looked clean to me even more so than Sasha’s. Sasha’s was landed on the quarter (and this season apparently that means it’s UR), Anna’s looked fully rotated.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

https://streamable.com/1d6gk

It’s pretty clear it wasn’t short on the landing but maybe they are counting too much PR and adding it to the UR? Seems like nitpicking at this point I thought Sasha’s call was a very poopy call too!! :roll5:

Nothing we can do though. Tech Panels just doing Tech Panel things :scard7:

 

[rikaquegira]

An old legend says that pre-rotation can be taken into account for UR calls. Also, on the quarter apparently doesn’t do any more. The UR did not bother me because Anna’s Lutz is a bit of a Flutz and it’s never called, and her toe pick technique is no good.
But, with that said, some men do worse, so... [emoji55]

Anyway, this will only make them better, I’m sure!
Still lots of opportunities for landing a 4Lz! I hope this JGPF will be the final showdown. Imagine if both Trusova and Anna land a 4Lz?!!!! That’s the amount of epicness we want to see! [emoji23]

 

[Spirals for Miles]

I don't understand where all this flutz discussion is coming from (not to single out anyone, just something I've noticed)

Anna does not flutz. She has an outside edge. It's not as deep as some, but that doesn't make it a flutz.
And she does not lip either. At its worst, it is unclear, but that's not what it was here, which is why those ! calls are a joke considering the outside edges of some flips that got nothing.

 

[atsumiri]

When we recall where exactly this JGP stage took place. Some things are becoming clear.