Daria Loboda, another pretty good 10 year old, is also competing there.
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Daria Loboda, another pretty good 10 year old, is also competing there.
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That's what confuses me. She keeps on competing in junior categories and keeps on getting disqualified. Why is no one telling her team about this before she travels and pays to compete?
Why is she disqualified?
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Because she is too young. She is only 10 still and competitors in junior level domestically must be 12 (like Kamila Valieva, for example)
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I’m very curious as to how this plays out. I agree from Anna’s perspective it isn’t ideal but from the RusFed perspective... I’m not so confident. I can wait patiently though.... I was so certain after Sima’s second JWC silver and very dominating season she was good to go. We shall see...
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I'm curious too. Some decisions in the past did not make sense some times (whatever national Fed it is), but I always remind myself that more often than not those Fed people and coaches usually know much more than us. Some athlete can get suddenly sick or get a minor injury just 1 week before the team announcement or an athlete can be be downtrending, not peaking properly towards competition, or be bellow the weather, or be moody due to personal issues (love/drama/teenage mood/family issues/etc), and actually it is only the coaches and Fed people are the ones who know almost everything (c'mon, coaches are usually like second moms and dads just by the amount they spend with their athletes everyday). And they are more aware what is going on with their students and young athletes. Hence it is only they who can make a proper assessment and honest judgement of how ready is the particular athlete and how he/she is actually will be ready and will be peaking towards the actual BIG DAY. Coaches and Fed people always tend to know more and aware of a lot more specifics and details behind the curtains than us simple folks.
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I think it’s very smart the Russian fed has their national championships organized in this way now. They restrict it to skaters who will be able to enter the international scene next year (12 for juniors, 14 for seniors), so they can give the rising skaters a boost and improve their international name recognition. This makes a lot more sense than how, for example, the US does it, where junior competitions are relatively weak because everyone thinks you have to be competing senior competitions just to have a chance at getting JGP assignments. You end up having 12-13 year olds with clear deficits in their skating who are competing against seniors and getting mediocre results.
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Respectfully disagree. In this way Russian ladies (so called "Russia's team B" just under the other country's citizenship - Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Kazakhstan, Estonia, Armenia, Georgia, Poland, etc) will push almost all Japanese, American and Canadian ladies out of even the qualifying to WC or Olympics. Hm.. probably even Euros tournament would be a completely "all-Russian fest". Competitive-wise and spectacular-wise it would be great for sports and TV viewers, but very unfair to a lot of girls from other European countries. They simply would not have a chance to participate in BIG competition and get that experience and chance to test their nerves/psychology on big events. And a chance "to be on TV"
. This won't fly with ISU. It is probably ok if there would be singled-out and occasional cases of Russian ladies intentionally jumping citizenship in order to escape strong competitive field (among ladies in Russia). But if that becomes stereotypical modus of operandi and en-masse tactics ISU will definitely harshly put an end to that.
It's just unfair. Just look at the final placement of ladies at last Olympics. Hypothetically remove last 15 places:
16. Loena HENDRICKX - BEL
17. Kailani CRAINE - AUS
18. Nicole SCHOTT - GER
19. Mae Berenice MEITE - FRA
20. Emmi PELTONEN - FIN
21. Alexia PAGANINI - SUI
22. Xiangning LI - CHN
23. Ivett TOTH - HUN
24. Isadora WILLIAMS - BRA
25. Aiza MAMBEKOVA - KAZ
26. Anna KHNYCHENKOVA - UKR
27. Anita OESTLUND - SWE
28. Giada RUSSO - ITA
29. Diana NIKITINA - LAT
30. Larkyn AUSTMAN - CAN
^^ and add there instead Radionova for Estonia, Pogorilaya & Sakhanovich for Poland, Konstantinova & Tsurskaya for Belaurs, Tuktamysheva & Samodurova for Kazakhstan, Leonova & Alexa Proklova for Georgia.. Whom else am I forgetting? Heck even reigning Olympics champion Adelina Sotnikova would came out to Olympics and decently throw it down for Zimbabwe (no disrespect for Zimbabwe thou).
On a humorous note, even if someone unexpectedly told unprepared Adelina Sotnikova just 1 week before Olympics that she needs to go and compete in Korea, she nonetheless would probably scored higher than 171.88 (in total) of place #15 (Loena HENDRICKX, Belgium). The competition would be stronger on Olympics, and the tournament would be more spectacular, but it would be so unfair to other countries and girls whose dreams were just to get to Olympics and brush shoulders with top athletes and present their skills on TV along the best athletes. Because with other Russian ladies running for other countries a lot of girls would not be able to qualify for Olympics or WC or Euros. 
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You leave Isadora out of this!!! :roll5:
Respectfully disagree. In this way Russian ladies (so called "Russia's team B" just under the other country's citizenship - Belarus, Ukraine, Latvia, Kazakhstan, Estonia, Armenia, Georgia, Poland, etc) will push almost all Japanese, American and Canadian ladies out of even the qualifying to WC or Olympics. Hm.. probably even Euros tournament would be a completely "all-Russian fest". Competitive-wise and spectacular-wise it would be great for sports and TV viewers, but very unfair to a lot of girls from other European countries. They simply would not have a chance to participate in BIG competition and get that experience and chance to test their nerves/psychology on big events. And a chance "to be on TV"
It is probably ok if there would be singled-out and occasional cases of Russian ladies intentionally jumping citizenship in order to escape strong competitive field (among ladies in Russia). But if that becomes stereotypical modus of operandi and en-masse tactics ISU will definitely harshly put an end to that.
Just look at the final placement of ladies at last Olympics. Hypothetically remove last 15 places:
16. Loena HENDRICKX - BEL
17. Kailani CRAINE - AUS
18. Nicole SCHOTT - GER
19. Mae Berenice MEITE - FRA
20. Emmi PELTONEN - FIN
21. Alexia PAGANINI - SUI
22. Xiangning LI - CHN
23. Ivett TOTH - HUN
24. Isadora WILLIAMS - BRA
25. Aiza MAMBEKOVA - KAZ
26. Anna KHNYCHENKOVA - UKR
27. Anita OESTLUND - SWE
28. Giada RUSSO - ITA
29. Diana NIKITINA - LAT
30. Larkyn AUSTMAN - CAN[/I
^^ and add there instead Radionova for Estonia, Pogorilaya & Sakhanovich for Poland, Konstantinova & Tsurskaya for Belaurs, Tuktamysheva & Samodurova for Kazakhstan, Leonova & Alexa Proklova for Georgia.. Whom else am I forgetting? Heck even reigning Olympics champion Adelina Sotnikova would came out to Olympics and decently throw it down for Zimbabwe (no disrespect for Zimbabwe thou).
I think it would be nice if the ISU reserved a few “wild card” spots for big events that are given out based on season ranking. This would not only reward excellent skaters from crowded countries, but would give skaters more motivation to go to smaller events like senior Bs to get ranking points, and also improve the competitive quality of these smaller events, attracting better crowds. It would also increase the excitement for fans, so we can follow the skaters on the cusp of qualifying more closely. If they didn’t want all the wildcard spots going to one country, they could still limit the number a country can get, so we don’t have like 10 skaters from Russia drowning everyone else out.
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Exactly.
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And I'm sure a lot of other our forumers and FS fans would not be happy if re-presenters of their countries would not be able to at least "show their flag" at Olympics.
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That is a little better than offer a massive citizenship jump for second-tier Russian ladies.
I like this idea.
A select number of Wild Card spots in non-Olympic years to be determined after Europeans and 4CC would be exciting, and would incent skaters and federations to keep improving their depth through the season.
I'm getting a bit off topic, but I'm also wondering there would be more appetite for this if it were balanced by the opportunity for smaller federation skaters to get extra spots at Worlds, Europeans and 4CC at Nebelhorn as there is for the Olympic Games.
Yes, bigger overall ISU events are more expensive, but we've also seeing a wave of new countries in Asia that are gaining interest in the sport. And fans in these countries may support Russian ladies not just their own.
I dont see that happening really, because wild cards would only benefit the feds that actually have a lot of skaters.
For example, right now, adding lets say 2-3 extra russian ladies to the worlds mix will likely drop most of the other skaters a few placements. Feds wont be happy. Nobody would vote for such thing except for russia and japan =(
For example, right now, adding lets say 2-3 extra russian ladies to the worlds mix will likely drop most of the other skaters a few placements. Feds wont be happy. Nobody would vote for such thing except for russia and japan =(
Oh it'll never happen. The ISU is run by dinosaurs who believe CDs are making a comeback. I just think this would be most beneficial for the sport in general, since all the criticism about Russian ladies is that they can't stick around and that's "bad for skating". Sure would be easier to "stick around" if you actually got the chance to compete :sarcasm:
I would like to see them do a 'defending' spot for the big competitions like Euros/4ccs/Worlds, where the gold medalist or the entire podium as long as they have competed in the current season have an automatic bid to defend their medal from the previous year without taking away from their country's spot total.
That could get pretty confusing/excessive. You’d probably end up with 6 Russian girls at Euro and 5-6 at Worlds every year.
I feel the need to hide since I just purchased a new car and was excited that it had a CD player in it (My 2017 only had satellite and bluetooth music, was T-boned and ended up buying the same vehicle model only a 2018 instead of the 2017)
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At Beijing 2022 we'll see Trusova, Zagitova and Medvedeva from Russia fight versus Shcherbakova, Kostornaia and Valieva from Eteristan.
I better go pick some Eteristan's flags...
I feel the need to hide since I just purchased a new car and was excited that it had a CD player in it (My 2017 only had satellite and bluetooth music, was T-boned and ended up buying the same vehicle model only a 2018 instead of the 2017)
Haha, don’t worry, in 20 years CDs WILL make a comeback with hipsters and their Sony walkmans who will wax poetic about the unique “sound character” of the CD as they spend their days perusing independent CD shops.
The whole citizenship thing, the athlete does what she/he thinks is best for them.
If I was Radionova, for instance, I would definitely consider switching countries and continue to train in Russia. I'm surprised not more athletes do this (in particular in figure skating and rhythmic gymnastics).
It's not like Radionova would take someone else's spot, she could compete to have 2 spots for that country.
If I was Radionova, for instance, I would definitely consider switching countries and continue to train in Russia. I'm surprised not more athletes do this (in particular in figure skating and rhythmic gymnastics).
It's not like Radionova would take someone else's spot, she could compete to have 2 spots for that country.
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