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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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I wish she would stop. She has already been credited with the jump, and the risk isn't worth it.
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Pogorilaya: scheduled to compete at Golden Spin, changed coaches to Butsaeva (Volchkova's married name). WD from stages 4 and 5 so missing nationals.
Sakhanovich: placed 4th and 5th so didn't qualify to nationals
Fedichkina: scheduled to compete at Minsk-Arena Ice Star but WD. No news.
Sakhanovich: placed 4th and 5th so didn't qualify to nationals
Fedichkina: scheduled to compete at Minsk-Arena Ice Star but WD. No news.
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The reaction that I expected.
The better results she showed before the stronger was the choir of critics. The worse she is performing now - the stronger the support is.
Let's not talk about what will be in 4 years. We don't know. No one will remember what we were talking about today. And even if I stay here and there will be no Medvedeva Evgenija competing in 4 years and I say: "I told you!" the reaction will be likely: "really? so what?"
Let's talk about what is going on this season. Eteri or Borser to blaim, she is near the collapse of her career. She still has some pcs support which will vanish quite soon if she keeps skating like in France. Then she is a 170-180 point skater which means she is no one in Russian figure skating.
The Nationals is her final chance. She just has to skate her programs without big mistakes. Her main competition is Sofia and Stasya (who would think?). I am sure that if she manages to concentrate she still can find a way to deliver. With clean performances I think she will be placed ahead of the 2 St. Petersburg skaters. Can she change the layout? I think, if she manages 2A-3Lo the current one is quite promising. As I wrote 2 weeks ago (not 4 years) she had to replace the second lutz with a flip. She did that. But she needs the levels as well. If she gets them I see her scoring 75+145=220. It won't be enough to beat Alina and clean Liza but it will be more than enough to get the team. And then we shall all say: "ooooph"
The better results she showed before the stronger was the choir of critics. The worse she is performing now - the stronger the support is.
Let's not talk about what will be in 4 years. We don't know. No one will remember what we were talking about today. And even if I stay here and there will be no Medvedeva Evgenija competing in 4 years and I say: "I told you!" the reaction will be likely: "really? so what?"
Let's talk about what is going on this season. Eteri or Borser to blaim, she is near the collapse of her career. She still has some pcs support which will vanish quite soon if she keeps skating like in France. Then she is a 170-180 point skater which means she is no one in Russian figure skating.
The Nationals is her final chance. She just has to skate her programs without big mistakes. Her main competition is Sofia and Stasya (who would think?). I am sure that if she manages to concentrate she still can find a way to deliver. With clean performances I think she will be placed ahead of the 2 St. Petersburg skaters. Can she change the layout? I think, if she manages 2A-3Lo the current one is quite promising. As I wrote 2 weeks ago (not 4 years) she had to replace the second lutz with a flip. She did that. But she needs the levels as well. If she gets them I see her scoring 75+145=220. It won't be enough to beat Alina and clean Liza but it will be more than enough to get the team. And then we shall all say: "ooooph"
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Same thing happened with Mao the GP season she was reworking here technique,
Medvedeva actually faired better overall,
If she perceivers she could be back in World podium shape
for a good portion of the Quadrennial.
Medvedeva actually faired better overall,
If she perceivers she could be back in World podium shape
for a good portion of the Quadrennial.
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Just one thing: The support is getting stronger because that‘s well... a logical thing to do. Support someone who‘s struggling, not beat them up even more. She‘s already on the ground, no need to hit on her or constantly tell her she made a mistake by going to Brian Orser. I simply don’t understand why people just can‘t seem to leave her alone. She already has it so tough, why make it even worse? It seems to be figure skating fans’ favorite thing to do. Beat those up who have fallen low instead of helping them get up again. We saw it with. Zhenya and Polina and Dasha.
“Go back to Eteri!“, ”Leaving Eteri was a mistake!“, “You are done!“
How will a young person who just wanted to make her own decisons feel hearing this being said about her?
Or even worse: ”Apologize to Eteri!“
As if she had anything to apologise for. Sure, apologise for being talked about behind her back on TV by the coach she trusted most, spilling conversations she thought would be private and awfully twisting her words.
To tell her that is like a smack to her face, honestly.
It‘s not about you specifically, I can tell from your post that you actually are someone who really likes Zhenya but is simply frustrated. It‘s okay, I‘m actually not happy with how her coaching team has been handling the situation either.
It‘s just clear that the pressure is too much.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqiLndxhmuT/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=5d2r1tbnfdac
This is not how Zhenya has ever looked before, not even when she was under the worst pressure ever at the OG or Europeans. Something is more than off here and I hope they get to sort it out. You see the look in her eyes? She looks desperate and scared and it hurts to see her like that. She said she basically capitulated in the FS and from now on they‘ll focus on working on her mindstate. That‘s good.
I don‘t think her problems are technical, which is actually what scares me the most. She lands jumps in practice but can‘t seem to make it right in competition, loses spin and footwork levels. The mind is a dangerous, dangerous thing. Once your confidence is crushed, it is difficult to build it up again. Yes, Zhenya is strong but she‘s also only human. People expect her to be like she was during her peak time every time she takes the ice but she just can‘t anymore. We don‘t know the reasons but I know that we could just try to not make it worse by hating on her or her coaching team. Can‘t we all be a bit more supportive despite our frustration? There is just no need for all this.
I probably won‘t be visitting this Russian ladies forum in the next time, sticking to fanfests. Because this will only be the beginning, I fear. First time off the podium in her senior career? People will tear her apart and I‘m honestly not ready to see it.
waa waah Zhenya said THIS, but Eteri said THIS, and Brian did THIS . . . etc
this is annoying lol like who cares? The life of a figure skater is rocky and almost always cut short due to injuries or the body changing. It's a sport, people, not life and death. My heart aches for Zhenya. She left her long time coach and perhaps it was done without respect but truly, why does that bother you so much? People should stop hiding behind the excuse of, "but in my culture-" in order to continue to spout hateful #### at these incredible athletes.
I also don't understand the need to compare Brian and Eteri. They are different in every single way and there's no point in trying to be experienced soothsayers, especially when the ice is so slippery. "Well if Med had stayed" or "If she'd gone to Raf (which would have been my preference)" has no weight, unless someone can show me definitive proof that they are a psychic, of course
But listen, Brian's team makes major mistakes a lot of the time. So does Eteri's. Name me one team or coach that has never made a mistake or is perfect.
Just no point in rehashing old arguments over one (1!!!!) girl
this is annoying lol like who cares? The life of a figure skater is rocky and almost always cut short due to injuries or the body changing. It's a sport, people, not life and death. My heart aches for Zhenya. She left her long time coach and perhaps it was done without respect but truly, why does that bother you so much? People should stop hiding behind the excuse of, "but in my culture-" in order to continue to spout hateful #### at these incredible athletes.
I also don't understand the need to compare Brian and Eteri. They are different in every single way and there's no point in trying to be experienced soothsayers, especially when the ice is so slippery. "Well if Med had stayed" or "If she'd gone to Raf (which would have been my preference)" has no weight, unless someone can show me definitive proof that they are a psychic, of course
But listen, Brian's team makes major mistakes a lot of the time. So does Eteri's. Name me one team or coach that has never made a mistake or is perfect. Just no point in rehashing old arguments over one (1!!!!) girl
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Yes. While I hated how overscored she was before, I wish her well. The one difference between her and Mao is that Mao did not have so many girls waiting to take her place as # 1. Russia has so much talent that if you struggle some is ready to take your place.
Because Mao was a huge brand her federation could not abandon her, she was number 1 even at her lowest.
It's not just Med leaving her coach. It's the fact that she left a Russian coach for a CANADIAN coach. The only worse thing she could've done is go for an American coach. She would not receive this amount of flak if she moved within Russia. Lipniskaia, Serafima, Tsurkaya all left Eteri and never received this much vitriol, because they still stayed in Russia.
There is a significant degree of hyperaggressive nationalism at play here with the gleeful reactions over Med's current situation. Her failing equates to the Russian system being superior in the minds of certain posters, and a middle finger to Med for daring to leave the motherland and thinking she could get better elsewhere.
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Wonder if she couldnt be out of mental shape today because of those celebration on Khrustalnyj. Maybe she expected at least some call from someone there to say her Thank you, and that call did not come.
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I don’t want to sound unsupportive of Zhenya, but this is the first competition where Russian Ladies were entered and didn’t place on the podium...
But maybe time away from competition for a while will pay off. Nonetheless, I still love Zhenya very much. Same for Masha, I really hope she works on URs and levels. She always gets the hard assignments.
But maybe time away from competition for a while will pay off. Nonetheless, I still love Zhenya very much. Same for Masha, I really hope she works on URs and levels. She always gets the hard assignments.
yuck :disagree:. nationalism is such a turn off for me. it speaks VOLUMES about a person when they use it as an excuse to be nasty
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I'm very sad for Evgenia but at the same time very happy for Sofia. They'll battle it out for Russia's nr 3 at nationals.
So now Mishin has two students in the GPF, who would have thought before the season started
Probably no one. If following figure skating should teach one anything, it would be to expect the unexpected.
But no matter how many times the unexpected happens, it won't stop some people from predicting, with utter certainty, what is going to happen several years down the road.
(shrug)
Some people never learn. Ever.
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This is nonsense, no one shows the middle finger, let's say, Russian hockey players who play and training in NHL
I always thought Zhenyas programs were too much regarding the acting thing, and I was glad she toned it down a bit.. what we saw this weekend was very underwhelming. I can´t see any improvement in her artistry to be honest.. not only does it feel like she needs an eternity to prepare for jumps but she has not shown any emotions this time.. I get being nervous and I bet it was not the first time in her senior career that she was, so to skate with that face was very weird especially with a fun short program like hers. I find her quite boring at the moment and hope she gets her passion back.
On the bright side, congrats to Sonya, girl you worked for it and deserve it!
On the bright side, congrats to Sonya, girl you worked for it and deserve it!
Just saw Russian Cup 2nd stage (obviously I'm a bit behind). What a great skate from Talalaykina, a girl I never heard of before. She was fabtastic! She made the Russian Nationals, but who is she? She didn't seem like a junior.
Another fab skate was Nugumanova. Never heard of this girl either, but she didn't make the Nationals. Wow, the competition in Russia is really fierce.
But what was it will all these bonus points? I noticed Shcherbakova got 5.
About the juniors moving up next year:
Trusova - can't see her making a great impression really. Those quads will soon fade away and what is left is average imo.
Shcherbakova - same thing but S has more artistic potential.
Kostornaia - well here's my girl. Wonderful maturity even as a junior. She could be the next great star me thinks.
About this endless discussion who is 'in and out', 'done' etc...I just don't understand it. Lots of skaters have shown that with maturity and determination anything can happen. Look at Tuktamysheva's strong comeback this year, Leonova who had a wonderful skate in the NHK Trophy. Osmond came back from severe injury and won Worlds. My alltime favourite Maria Butyrskaya was counted out since she was 16 but came back and won 6 nationals (11 podiums total) between the age of 20-30 and won worlds at the prime age of 26.
Another fab skate was Nugumanova. Never heard of this girl either, but she didn't make the Nationals. Wow, the competition in Russia is really fierce.
But what was it will all these bonus points? I noticed Shcherbakova got 5.
About the juniors moving up next year:
Trusova - can't see her making a great impression really. Those quads will soon fade away and what is left is average imo.
Shcherbakova - same thing but S has more artistic potential.
Kostornaia - well here's my girl. Wonderful maturity even as a junior. She could be the next great star me thinks.
About this endless discussion who is 'in and out', 'done' etc...I just don't understand it. Lots of skaters have shown that with maturity and determination anything can happen. Look at Tuktamysheva's strong comeback this year, Leonova who had a wonderful skate in the NHK Trophy. Osmond came back from severe injury and won Worlds. My alltime favourite Maria Butyrskaya was counted out since she was 16 but came back and won 6 nationals (11 podiums total) between the age of 20-30 and won worlds at the prime age of 26.
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