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2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating

Sugar Coated said:
The same reason the coaching team didn’t up Zhenya’s TES prior to the Olympics. Because the coaching team doesn’t have the incentive to take additional risks if the competition is one of their own athletes. In the end, the coaches need a winner whoever that may be. Now if an outsider is a threat it makes sense to start adjusting and taking more risks to remain on top.

My thinking is that quads/3a is not a priority for Alina unless a non-Eteri girl is a threat. And the earlier she makes them a priority the more likely she will be competitive with 3a (or 2a) next year. Because this year wasn’t about beating the juniors yet, now she has a reason to push her technical limits sooner rather than later.
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Also this seasons should have been the time for Alina to start training the harder jumps her teammates are landing.

She is OGM and wants to stay until 2022. So resting on her laurels with the young girls at here heels won’t get her there.

She shouldn’t be focused on sticking to the status quo but upping her tech for the future. After all she was the young tech strong ingenue who dethrones the reigning queen.
 
I mean, there is some strategy involved. I don’t blame the coaches for wanting to keep the status quo this year rather take additional risks if there is no other threat.

At the end of the day, the coaches are paid to deliver a winner. It doesn’t matter which girl from their team wins and it makes sense to have different strategies for different girls to increase overall chances of winning. Like have one really risky girl who will win if she lands everything, even if she’s not consistent. And another girl take a safer approach in case the risky girl wipes out. Why have 2 risky girls and hope that they skate clean when you might be more successful with one (or two) as a “safety.”

I assumed that would be the logic next year. Let the 3a girls take risks and see how they adjust to seniors while having your experienced girl continue to do what she knows and will beat everyone but the other girls you coach.
 
Amei said:
Am I confused, last time I looked Alina is coached by Shcherbakova and Trusova's coaching team both of whom are landing quads in competition and likely to go senior next year that Alina's going to compete against why would a Japanese girl beating her in competition be the wake up call to train more difficult jumps.
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can you say the same to Satoko's coach about 3A?
 
Alexz said:
I hope she will continue to develop her own style to move away from the image of cliche Japanese female skater. I like her and I would like her even more if she will become more self-generated and will form her own identity. The reason I like Russian fs girls is simply because they are all different funny personages and has their own charisma (like a character in the theatrical play or soap-opera/sitcom) on an off the ice. I swear it's like watching a sitcom sometimes. While North Americans mostly skate and present generally something very outdated and choreographically simplistic, Japanese girls are mostly trying to imitate Yuna or Asada, but that just looks a bit boring and recycled for the most part. Those young Russians are mostly hilarious and wildly interesting bunch with all their mischievousness and imperfections. But the thing is we usually don't really know much about Japanese girls other than formal interviews and polished to perfection and boredom tv fluffs. While Russians (and Europeans in general) and North Americans are very animated and open, they often give very frank interviews and even invite tv crews to the their homes and ice rinks to show their daily life and some backstage of all their casual hard work and routine intense training. Unlike Japanese girls they are not afraid to show their imperfect side and how hard it is to train, especially when coaches intentionally applying psychological pressure.

(BTW, offtop. Coaches should and have to apply some pressure time to time (including a psychological pressure) on their athletes for their strategical training purposes to see how a skater will react to this pressure and to get her/him prepared for this, because big competition is always stress. If you don't train on a home ice sometime with a bit of intentionally applied (but controlled) pressure you are doing it wrong. So it's better if a coach will give a young skater a bit of a hard time at training on home ice and gradually train a skater how to perform under pressure and get your mind game going strong. So you will be better prepared for high-stress environment like big competitions. Or madness and cruelty of real life? :) Btw, so those who think Eteri is evil or smth, frankly, you have no idea what it is to be an elite coach and a professional athlete. Because, certainly, dealing with a pressure is a mental pain sometimes, but this skill also can be trained and taught (if done right). Eteri seems to know this game of mind tricks. She knows how to apply a slight intentionally targeted pressure at the right time at her coaching. Basically, rule of thumb is if you want to train your psyche and consistency you have to be tough on yourself and ask your coach to give you a hard time sometimes. That's a professional sport, not everyone is up for this. It is a cruel world there, but it is doable.:
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All I can say is that preference and expressions of social behavior are cultural. I get that it may be easier for you to relate with the North American and Russian style openness and exuberance. In my family in Asia, this will be frowned upon. Which is why you generally see a Japanese skaters all very proper and subdued on the surface - the differences are expressed in more subtle means that are not as obvious. Using our current Japanese seniors, Marin Honda and Yuzu are the most outwardly extroverted. Satoko and Shoma and Mai are much more reserved while Wakaba and Kaori are supremely fierce competitors. They just don’t show it the same way. As for coaching, I don’t think the Japanese coaches are any less demanding. Chinese athletics and table tennis and gymnastics coaches are legendary for the tough love. Even Coach Hamada for all her genial appearance has been rumored to be an extremely demanding task mistress - there is a reason why she favors Satoko despite her being inherently less talented - Satoko works harder than anyone.
 
Ziotic said:
Also this seasons should have been the time for Alina to start training the harder jumps her teammates are landing.

She is OGM and wants to stay until 2022. So resting on her laurels with the young girls at here heels won’t get her there.

She shouldn’t be focused on sticking to the status quo but upping her tech for the future. After all she was the young tech strong ingenue who dethrones the reigning queen.
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She’s 16, growing, and there are four more years until the Olympics. Let her and her team work through things at their own pace. Figure skating shouldn’t be about gold or bust and fans shouldn’t act like a skater who can’t deliver 110% every time should just be discarded for the next thing
 
I’m SICK of watching discussions about Rika vs Alina!!!!

There’s another competition going on too! Congratulations to Gubanova and Guliakova for managing to get new PBs in the SP at Golden Spin!!! (Just a little annoyed that Gubanova got a Time Violation call because she would have entered the 70+ SP club but anyway....)
 
vitamintea said:
She’s 16, growing, and there are four more years until the Olympics. Let her and her team work through things at their own pace. Figure skating shouldn’t be about gold or bust and fans shouldn’t act like a skater who can’t deliver 110% every time should just be discarded for the next thing
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Vitamin you are using Common Sense logic and reason with what you wrote. You are exactly right Alina Zagitova is building for the next 4 years but a lot of us like myself want her to win now like she did last year. I know it's not fair and we're asking a lot from her as she grows up and indoors ups-and-downs on and off the ice but I still want her to win and be the world champion this year. She is in the mix if not the favorite that's for sure. but I and others have to remember she's a human being and not a machine. Sometimes we forget.
 
rlopen said:
I’m SICK of watching discussions about Rika vs Alina!!!!

There’s another competition going on too! Congratulations to Gubanova and Guliakova for managing to get new PBs in the SP at Golden Spin!!! (Just a little annoyed that Gubanova got a Time Violation call because she would have entered the 70+ SP club but anyway....)
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vitamintea said:
She’s 16, growing, and there are four more years until the Olympics. Let her and her team work through things at their own pace. Figure skating shouldn’t be about gold or bust and fans shouldn’t act like a skater who can’t deliver 110% every time should just be discarded for the next thing
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I'm happy yet disappointed for Anastasia Gubanova because I watch the video of her short program it should have been in the 70s for sure. And if she loses first place by what she lost in her deduction for a 1 second time violation I'm really going to be mad. Glad she had an excellent short program though I hope it carries over to the free skate for Nastya.
 
rlopen said:
I’m SICK of watching discussions about Rika vs Alina!!!!
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Ya, I'm wondering why there is so much discussion about Rika in the Russian Ladies thread. I mean the results aren't a surprise really :confused2:. What's more interesting is Alina vs. Liza tomorrow. Liza has an upgraded layout that includes a possible 2A+3T+2T. If she skates it clean, we may see quite an exciting battle for silver.

Potential Layout
8.00 3A
10.1 3Lz+3T
5.30 3F
6.08 3S+2A+SEQ
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9.68 2A+3T+2T
6.49 3Lz
5.39 3Lo

Total Jump BV = 51.04
 
BillNeal said:
Ya, I'm wondering why there is so much discussion about Rika in the Russian Ladies thread. I mean the results aren't a surprise really :confused2:. What's more interesting is Alina vs. Liza tomorrow. Liza has an upgraded layout that includes a possible 2A+3T+2T. If she skates it clean, we may see quite an exciting battle for silver.

Potential Layout
8.00 3A
10.1 3Lz+3T
5.30 3F
6.08 3S+2A+SEQ
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9.68 2A+3T+2T
6.49 3Lz
5.39 3Lo

Total Jump BV = 51.04
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You seem the only one to believe that Alina and Liza have a rivalry going on and are battling for silver. (Alina is up 7 points over Liza, has a PCS advantage of 7 points, and if clean has a max technical score of about 6 points over Liza. So if Liza is clean, Alina needs to make 20 points worth of mistakes to give Liza a chance. As much as the judges dumped Alina, Liza isn't the one they are favoring either. Maybe if she falls 3 times.)

The battle for the gold is still between the higher potential but less consistent Rika and the more stable Alina. Though I do hope Liza wins a bronze.
 
I was waiting for 'Anna is done!!' but noone started...

Nah seriously tomorrow imho Alina and Alena K(ostornaia) can both secure silver with a clean skate. To win, their opponents (Rika and Sascha) need to mess up.

Meanwhile Liza and Anna will get bronze if they deliver clean.

Jgpf and gpf is practically the same '_'

I think Anna needs both 4Lz to catch a clean Alena K(anysheva) though... Any practice reports?
 
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