2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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I am glad that you are not a judge in that case ) Trusova has tremendous effortlessness, solidity, confidence in all her triples too. Including always right edges and good landings, body position, height and speed. No one even close to her in that regard among ladies - not even Alena K (who has occasional edge and landings issues). If she is not jumping genius - she is the closest person to it I know anyway. Common jumps for her are disgustingly easy to a degree that not only she isn't nervous - she is bored when jumping them. Which is unthinkable for any other skater. Also her skating skills is very solid too. I mean things like cantilever are not possible for skaters without very strong grip on ice and good work with edges - only few top skaters are capable of doing it consistently. It's a pity so many people are not able to see her strengths except quads or just underestimates them
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Just some notes to this because this comment is the summary of those who tasted sour grapes in friday:
It is very easy to look into the protocols. Alyona received many 9.00 scores, which is absolutely max what she could with the fall according to rules. She could not receive any higher than this. In fact her PCS is way higher than any junior ever received, as they very rarely get score higher than 8 (and it is good that this works both on national and international level). Way higher than Alina received as a junior, btw. Alina received all 9+ in pcs which is very similar to what she received during Rostelecom.
Now here are Alina's pcs from Rostelecom (37.25):
9.21/9.11/9.46/9.39/9.39
And here from RusNats (38.15):
9.46/9.39/9.61/9.61/9.61
It is in fact very similar, in the range of about +0.20 per component in RusNats. Considering that components scale is divided by 0.25 point for the judges, you can say that in average majority of judges gave Alina just 0.25 point higher score than in Rostelecom. Nothing that I would somehow feel as an inappropriate. Also Alina's program is built the way to get the best score for transitions possible. It's the matter of layout. Eteri and Daniil are masters in that. That's how things are.
I agree, Alyona was nearly perfect as always and her score was well deserved, despite the fall. But with the fall it was also nearly the maximal score she could receive. That also doesn't mean that Alina wasn't also nearly perfect too or that she did not deserve her score. It is much more about some people's personal taste than anything else, because from the view of SS or interpretation of the music
It's like saying that "without an A-bomb you are so weak"
Quads are nothing that you just get by e-mail, that you could say "without it"... (Without ski, you would not win that sprint, Bolshunov
). You have to work hard to handle them.
Maybe yes, maybe not. We will see her long. Till then I'm not making any judgement.
This is "normal pcs that junior skaters receive. Alyona should be considered an exception, not the rule, as long as juniors are rewarded this way in the whole world, not just specifically here.
Me too.
Here comes the reputation thing, again, that is worldwide phenomenon. But there are other PCS I would disagree much more.
That is the thing called strategic decision. The main error was done before the season, giving her program she obviously was uncofortable with. Maybe it worked so so at the beginning of the season with all the optimism but when really it came down to the triarii, it showed that it so too far from her comfort zone. Of course, after battle everybody is a general, but I still think that you shold go through the evolution, not the revolution.
It is very easy to look into the protocols. Alyona received many 9.00 scores, which is absolutely max what she could with the fall according to rules. She could not receive any higher than this. In fact her PCS is way higher than any junior ever received, as they very rarely get score higher than 8 (and it is good that this works both on national and international level). Way higher than Alina received as a junior, btw. Alina received all 9+ in pcs which is very similar to what she received during Rostelecom.
Now here are Alina's pcs from Rostelecom (37.25):
9.21/9.11/9.46/9.39/9.39
And here from RusNats (38.15):
9.46/9.39/9.61/9.61/9.61
It is in fact very similar, in the range of about +0.20 per component in RusNats. Considering that components scale is divided by 0.25 point for the judges, you can say that in average majority of judges gave Alina just 0.25 point higher score than in Rostelecom. Nothing that I would somehow feel as an inappropriate. Also Alina's program is built the way to get the best score for transitions possible. It's the matter of layout. Eteri and Daniil are masters in that. That's how things are.
I agree, Alyona was nearly perfect as always and her score was well deserved, despite the fall. But with the fall it was also nearly the maximal score she could receive. That also doesn't mean that Alina wasn't also nearly perfect too or that she did not deserve her score. It is much more about some people's personal taste than anything else, because from the view of SS or interpretation of the music
It's like saying that "without an A-bomb you are so weak"
Quads are nothing that you just get by e-mail, that you could say "without it"... (Without ski, you would not win that sprint, Bolshunov
). You have to work hard to handle them.Maybe yes, maybe not. We will see her long. Till then I'm not making any judgement.
This is "normal pcs that junior skaters receive. Alyona should be considered an exception, not the rule, as long as juniors are rewarded this way in the whole world, not just specifically here.
Me too.
Here comes the reputation thing, again, that is worldwide phenomenon. But there are other PCS I would disagree much more.
That is the thing called strategic decision. The main error was done before the season, giving her program she obviously was uncofortable with. Maybe it worked so so at the beginning of the season with all the optimism but when really it came down to the triarii, it showed that it so too far from her comfort zone. Of course, after battle everybody is a general, but I still think that you shold go through the evolution, not the revolution.
i'm personally disappointed with Evghenia after this SP. Ok, screw up the GP series, but nationals is your time to prove them all wrong. And she probably did worse.
I don't get what Brian is doing, but something needed to change.
She needed to take this first half off, she didn't, well now she should take the rest of the season off. She doesn't deserve the third spot.
I don't think she will hit a clean free skate, there's just no way.
I don't get what Brian is doing, but something needed to change.
She needed to take this first half off, she didn't, well now she should take the rest of the season off. She doesn't deserve the third spot.
I don't think she will hit a clean free skate, there's just no way.
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It's a bit sad that Evgenia doesn't get the respect she deserves for her commitment to improving her technique and skating for the long-term. People sometimes forget that it's been barely half a year but we have already seen some noticeable improvements such as in her jump takeoffs and use of the toe-pick, even when these improvements don't always translate into competition. She got the marks for what she put out there today. Glad to see the support at least from the fans that are watching her in the arena and a more upbeat attitude in the KnC. She and her team are investing in a a multi-year plan and understand that patience with change is needed.
Meanwhile, Alina put in a better performance today than some of her past outings this season but the domestic judges are doing her a disservice with these unrealistic, near-perfect high marks. Given there's Nationals inflation, so not shocked that her 3Lz with shallow outside to flat takeoff edge + 3Lo< are getting a row of +3's, nor the sky-high 38.15 PCS for performing this cut and paste program with flailing arms choreography, rushed movements, hunched posture, and barely held landing edges. I mean 9.46 for SS. The only two times she received such a generous 80+ SP score this season was at Rostelecom and here, both competitions at home. I highly doubt she will be showered with these types of PCS at Euros or Worlds with this type of skating, especially after the international judges have started opening their eyes, as demonstrated at GPF.
There is no cooking like home cooking Bill, but this favour will only take a skater so far. Look out Worlds!
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why does rusfed prefer stanislava over sofia
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It's a bit sad that Evgenia doesn't get the respect she deserves for her commitment to improving her technique and skating for the long-term. People sometimes forget that it's been barely half a year but we have already seen some noticeable improvements such as in her jump takeoffs and use of the toe-pick, even when these improvements don't always translate into competition. She got the marks for what she put out there today. Glad to see the support at least from the fans that are watching her in the arena and a more upbeat attitude in the KnC. She and her team are investing in a a multi-year plan and understand that patience with change is needed.
Meanwhile, Alina put in a better performance today than some of her past outings this season but the domestic judges are doing her a disservice with these unrealistic, near-perfect high marks. Given there's Nationals inflation, so not shocked that her 3Lz with shallow outside to flat takeoff edge + 3Lo< are getting a row of +3's, nor the sky-high 38.15 PCS for performing this cut and paste program with flailing arms choreography, rushed movements, hunched posture, and barely held landing edges. I mean 9.46 for SS
I think it's really unnecessary to be so vindictive towards one skater in particular when it's always been the case that nationals scoring is inflated. This applies across the board (remember Bradie's and Gabby's almost-230 score at US Nationals and Canadian Nationals last year?), and also applies to Evgenia's PCS today which, in my view, was pretty high given two serious errors. No, high nationals scoring does not take a skater far. What does take them far is their work ethic, commitment, competitive drive, and ability to deliver. Zagitova had the second highest TES and Trusova's was rightfully first seeing how she did 3Lz-3Lo in the bonus. Did "home cooking" cause those cleanly landed jumps?
Whether you disagree about the specific numbers attached to the leader's score shouldn't take away from the fact that if she gave the exact same performance at Worlds, she would probably be first or second behind a clean performance with a 3A.
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I was surprised she didn't skate better after watching her practices, especially since her errors were the result of loss of focus. It was probably a bad idea to change the SP when she's having problems with her confidence, but she's still within striking distance of the senior skaters she needs to beat. Like you, I think it's unlikely that she will have a clean free program because these confidence issues are just as difficult to overcome as technical problems.
Do you think its a possibility that as long as she's close enough to the other seniors score wise she can still lose to them but still get the nod to Euros/worlds?
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Possible but not likey as she is so far back after the sp.
That's an eye-opening first post for you sir.
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And the achievements keep on coming for Alina Zagitova.
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Short answer is inter-club politics.
Long answer is probably better explained by a Russian poster who has more knowledge.
ETA: On another note, I am unclear on why there are still so many debates going on about "home-cooking" at Nationals. Inflated marks and lenient technical calls are the norm at all Nationals. Some Nationals more than others. But it doesn't really matter. It certainly matters less than how skaters are impacted internally (like Stanislava versus Sofia bias, as mentioned above).
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"Home cooking" caused those landed jumps to be called clean. Have a look at the replay, Alina's 3Lo is <, her blade touches the ice at around the 135 degree mark and completes the rest of the rotation on the ice.
If the tech panel is strict, she would likely finish third if Liza and Rika both have clean performances with a 3A.
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I guess we will see when we get to Worlds! Hopefully, Liza gets her strength back, Rika gets her skates sorted out, Alina gets whatever you think she needs to fix fixed, and we have an epic competition!
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It also wasn’t a blow out.
It also wasn’t a blow out.
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