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Agree. I hoped it would not show up here. And I hope that now that it is here some usual suspects won't jump on it like they jumped before.
2018-19 Russian Ladies' figure skating
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Agree. I hoped it would not show up here. And I hope that now that it is here some usual suspects won't jump on it like they jumped before.
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And this is why children's social media presence has to be heavily regulated by their parents. And especially children who are in any way, shape or form in public light. Kids don't have the best joke filter and very little understanding of how fast things can spread on the internet. That's seriously unfortunate for her and could very well have consequences for her figure skating career. I bet the fed really doesn't appreciate this type of humour in current climat.
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Her mum took Nastya's smartphone away from her as punishment, and gave an old fashioned one with only buttons to her daughter.
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/russiateam/2320768.html
But she also said the issue of doping has never been discussed in school or at home. Which leads me to believe social media do's and don'ts and what is (in)appropriate behaviour in adults working with children hasn't been discussed with the skaters also. Panova said she is not there to educate and police her students.
Now the Sports Ministry is officially following Nastya's IG account, such an honour, LOL
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Please let this drop. Her parents discipline should be enough.
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First of all, if your argument agains the Scott512 statement about "being worse after Eteri" is based on a thesis "they left when they were already broken or starting to break", than Tarakanova (and I don't think the others too, here it is just more visible) is not right example of counterstatement to it and therefore it does not disprove it.
Fist of all, Anastasia did not want to leave Eteri specifically, she wanted to quit figure skating as a whole. Only after quitting she changed her mind because she missed the sport. Second and most important, she did not left originally during any era of declination at all. Also, one should remember that at the beginning of the last year she had pneumonia, statements about her not being consistent under Eteri should also consider this, why her results after JGP final, where she won bronze, were worse (7th at junior nats, if I'm not mistaken, which still isn't any shame at all). If she is more refined is of course legitimate opinion, but quite subjective. Her RusNats FS was the best I've seen from her, but till now it was the only program on that level. Also, she is 14 now, so it could be expected as anatural thing that she would be more refined than in 13 no magtter the team. I would never expect that even top skater training in top team would deliver her best at the age of 13. Of course she will grow in another team also, but I have no doubt she would be better than last season with her former team also
If we consider others, Polina was wounded, but I don't know anything about she would not receive all the necessary support, just like Medvedeva. Again, statement about not proper care are fading when we consider medical treatment of her leg even abroad, time for recovery, nobody pushed her into competitions till she did not feel she could do it (at least if I ommit opinions of some people who previously blamed Eteri for preferring Zhenya over poor Cinderella Alina, just to completely turn the opinion when the very same people started to blame her for preferring evil Alina and all). Darya - I don't know in what physical state she left Eteri at all and I'm suspisious that any of us knows better, so saying something about "starting to brak" is nothing but pure speculation. Everybody is entitled to speculate as he likes, but that's not winning an argument. Lipnitskaya is case of her own, she is the case why many people blame Eteri so much, but we can see practically all the problems she had at other skaters in other celebrated teams in other celebrated countries too. Still, nobody is taking pitchforks and calling for burning witches.
I bet this is the real main problem people have with Eteri. She is creating many champions. Not one or two in one olympic cycle, but one, two or three nearly every season. How to name it? Factory. Because that gives the impression it's some mindless line of production. While it is so far from truth, I bet even h-people of Eteri admit that 4A and other skaters there have their own style, strong and weak sides and all. Alyona is different than Sasha, Sasha different from Anna, Anna different from Alina.
At the cost? I would be glad to hear the statistic of other teams, the rate of injuries or other problems to number of skaters and I should say top skaters. Also, people often speak about how long skaters are with her. In fact, in comparison with others it is not some short time, Kim Yuna was with Orser for three years, since 2007 to 2010. And again, it causes no trouble giving him credit for Yuna's seccess during that era. But when it comes to Eteri, no "credit for skater XY's success should belong to her previous coach, not Eteri" and all. I don't think I'm the only one who consider this attitude very biased.
I personally bet that the message is clear: "Eteri, please, be kind and create only one top skater per 4 years like we others do. Creating more could be considered as being evil."
You and Eteri put different meanings in this word. Different connotations.
I will clarify what I mean. Many people when using the "factory" argument mean that old “models” are forcibly replaced when newer and higher-quality “models” arise. It's "a", and "b" that all Eteri's girl the "same" - "crystal girls". Of course this is all nonsense.
When Eteri says about the "factory" she wants to talk about discipline and the absence of illusions. The constant theme on which Eteri is always stressed in her interviews is permanent labor and professional discipline. “If you haven’t worked today, then your competitor has worked, remember that”.
In Russian fan circles often say that Eteri have ... suddenly ... an American-Russian approach
In our eyes, Eteri kind of takes the best from both worlds - Russian spirituality (whatever that means
the comments afrer the article were not kind to Shabatova
She is naive and has no business on the internet answering questions from strangers. Her country's sports program is permanently damaged because of their widespread doping scheme and she does this? If she is really good she may survive this if not the Russians will bury her every chance they get. Of course I hope she recovers from this and has a nice career. But sad she said what she said.
As others have said these young girls need to have their internet use monitored.
Just one note. In full stream which is available here https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1373&v=RHQWR3_gRHQ (in Russian) she mentions that the "right dope" is chocolate. Journalists cut that piece out before publishing because otherwise no one would be interested.
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Notice how she “steps” out of the painting? Pretty cool right?
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bskg6J3BR4G/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ke55semscdn5
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bskg6J3BR4G/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ke55semscdn5
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That Gniloe FK channel predates on figure skaters live streams! Makes me wonder who leaked the live stream to the press since it has only 9 participants ...
And indeed it seems Nastya's otherwise quite innocent live stream was ripped out of context by tabloid sports press.
But I stand by my opinion that children and young teens should be monitored in their online activities.
Children this age, tender but smart at the same time, often like to feel 'important', and having an audience in live streams gives them some sort of recognition and emboldens them, only to be fooled the next question. Nastya was not fooled on purpose here, she was merely joking.
Every person should know that anything they post on social media can be screenshot, recorded, reposted, pulled out of context, abused.
Parents, schools, sports clubs etc all have a role in educating children and youngsters. There is no place for naivety anymore in this day with smart phones in everybody's hand.
Poor kid and parents now have to face the wrath of the e-mob and be alert for public slandering and worse.
All Moscow sports schools know what has happened by now, and should use tomorrow's assembly to explain to the students and educate them by this example.
Then everybody should support Nastya in what surely must have been an emotional ordeal for her and before going back to their business as usual routines, a little bit sadder, but much wiser.
And indeed it seems Nastya's otherwise quite innocent live stream was ripped out of context by tabloid sports press.
But I stand by my opinion that children and young teens should be monitored in their online activities.
Children this age, tender but smart at the same time, often like to feel 'important', and having an audience in live streams gives them some sort of recognition and emboldens them, only to be fooled the next question. Nastya was not fooled on purpose here, she was merely joking.
Every person should know that anything they post on social media can be screenshot, recorded, reposted, pulled out of context, abused.
Parents, schools, sports clubs etc all have a role in educating children and youngsters. There is no place for naivety anymore in this day with smart phones in everybody's hand.
Poor kid and parents now have to face the wrath of the e-mob and be alert for public slandering and worse.
All Moscow sports schools know what has happened by now, and should use tomorrow's assembly to explain to the students and educate them by this example.
Then everybody should support Nastya in what surely must have been an emotional ordeal for her and before going back to their business as usual routines, a little bit sadder, but much wiser.
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Do you think there is any chance she will keep this SP for next season? It‘s so good, it would be a shame to never see it in an international competition. I‘d love to see it as her SP for her Junior debut.
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Disgusting. I said many times the Russian journalists are the worst. They're too unscrupulous, they are lying many times and want to make scandal always .
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Scott512, it's often hard to make out which post you're responding to. Please make sure you turn off multiquote.
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Only Russians journalists??
Nyet, of course...
But I really think the Russians are the worst. Or one of the worsts. Or I have no experience about the others...
I don't understand why many novice/junior girls do instagram livestreams without parents supervision. You don't know who you are talking to online: journalists, p*dophiles, fanatic supporters... Please parents, pay attention. The Internet and social media is dangerous.
She is also not the first one to have it recorded and get criticism for something you let slip...
All the drama about a 'dumb joke' is obviously very out of proportion - how about a bit more attention on the 3 ladies that will grab the podium this week instead of a 13yo not thinking how the media could spin her words before talking
She is also not the first one to have it recorded and get criticism for something you let slip...
All the drama about a 'dumb joke' is obviously very out of proportion - how about a bit more attention on the 3 ladies that will grab the podium this week instead of a 13yo not thinking how the media could spin her words before talking
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I don't understand why many novice/junior girls do instagram livestreams without parents supervision. You don't know who you are talking to online: journalists, p*dophiles, fanatic supporters... Please parents, pay attention. The Internet and social media is dangerous.
She is also not the first one to have it recorded and get criticism for something you let slip...
All the drama about a 'dumb joke' is obviously very out of proportion - how about a bit more attention on the 3 ladies that will grab the podium this week instead of a 13yo not thinking how the media could spin her words before talking
At least the musical.ly craze seems to have died down a bit. That was creepy.
I'm all for the attention being on Euros! So excited!
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Okay but it's always the last comment that I'm responding to. One of my smart phones which I use just as like a mini tablet takes all these other quotes with it.
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If you respond in “Go Advance” it clears the multi quote I find.
At least the musical.ly craze seems to have died down a bit. That was creepy.
I'm all for the attention being on Euros! So excited!
Alina arrived! Hopefully we will see all three girls at practice tomorrow.
New Interview with Liza (care pictures
)https://m.spb.kp.ru/daily/26928.5/3...wnFWaD8vwyLinMJ2YSny_B7gnFKzvn2aPlGLGiVupDSvY
The rumors that she end her career soon are wrong (but health & family come first) and if she gets to the main start of the season (worlds) there is a good chance she will decline her Universiade spot. Mishin seems to not want her to go there, but they will decide when it happens.
Universiade is in russia and they sent the best athletes this year so maybe RusFed will want her to go, idk.
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Exactly what I hope for. I cannot imagine a better program for her..
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