2018-19 U.S. Ladies' figure skating

[skatenewbie]

Who will get SA among current ladies? Bradie very likely since she is national champ? And the other 2? Since Wagner probably sit out next season... Im thinking Starr could get it if she shows promising result in summer comps, the other probably among Karen/Mariah? Mirai said she will continue but with DWTS it would be hard for her to learn new program + training, so its probable she won't do GP and back at Nats to trying make world team

 

[chuckm]

IMO Mirai is done. It's unlikely that she'll be looking to build a resume for a third try at the Olympics (she will be nearly 29 in 2022) so there's not much motivation for her to go through the grind of Nationals just for the chance to grab one of two spots at Worlds 2019. The red carpet world holds far more allure.

 

[StitchMonkey]

IMO Mirai is done. It's unlikely that she'll be looking to build a resume for a third try at the Olympics (she will be nearly 29 in 2022) so there's not much motivation for her to go through the grind of Nationals just for the chance to grab one of two spots at Worlds 2019. The red carpet world holds far more allure.

She may not be going for a full four years. She is about two years younger than Ashley and Ashley medaled at worlds two years into the cycle. She could be trying to get a midcycle medal and it could be doable.

 

[MarinHondas]

IMO Mirai is done. It's unlikely that she'll be looking to build a resume for a third try at the Olympics (she will be nearly 29 in 2022) so there's not much motivation for her to go through the grind of Nationals just for the chance to grab one of two spots at Worlds 2019. The red carpet world holds far more allure.

She HAS stated she will not be continuing for another four years but after Japan Open this last season she said she would not retire after the Olympics and she would continue 1-2 more years. Of course, this could have changed.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

IMO Mirai is done. It's unlikely that she'll be looking to build a resume for a third try at the Olympics (she will be nearly 29 in 2022) so there's not much motivation for her to go through the grind of Nationals just for the chance to grab one of two spots at Worlds 2019. The red carpet world holds far more allure.

If she's done, she went out with a bang. Mirai silenced many of her critics (me being one of the biggest) by making the team, landing a 3A in international competition, and making a meaningful contribution to the team bronze effort. She accomplished what she set out to do the last four years, so if she retires I think it would be more about having done everything she (realistically) could do rather than red carpets.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Mirai is such a goof, I could see her skipping the fall, going to nationals with the goal of going to and winning 4CC in her home state. Winning 4CC is within her reach, and even medaling at it in her home country could be worth it. She has had success there. I could see her wanting this one.

 

[frida80]

Mirai said in a recent interview that she wanted to do at least one more season and that she wanted incorporate what she learned from DWTS.

I personally think she's going to compete until she graduates.

 

[oatmella]

I don’t think winning 4cc would be that easy for Mirai - I would think some of the top skaters like Wakaba, Kaetlyn would be there? (not totally sure)

 

[QuadSal]

What do you guys think of Starr Andrews chances for next season compared to the other ladies in the US. I Agree that she defiantly needs to work on her skating skills but I think shes on the right path next season with her choice 'Summertime' from Porgy and Bess Opera.

 

[frida80]

What do you guys think of Starr Andrews chances for next season compared to the other ladies in the US. I Agree that she defiantly needs to work on her skating skills but I think shes on the right path next season with her choice 'Summertime' from Porgy and Bess Opera.

I don’t know. I’d have to see if she had a good 3F+3T combo or a 3Lo+3T combo and a better Lutz edge before I can say anything. If she has those two and can improve her consistency, she’ll some modest success.

 

[frida80]

She showed a 3lo-3lo on instagram so I think she is looking to add that rather than +3t combos. Also with plus 5 goe coming up, if she does a nice 3t-3t with the rippon variation she has plus good transitions going in she could earn a +4 on the combo which may be comparable to a +1/2 3lz-3t.

I don't know. It's easier to max out her BV by doing +3T combos on jumps that aren't 3T. And a +3Lo combo is the most likely to be called downgraded. Judges hate them.

I just need more information on the new judging system, specifically bullets. It's hard to make any assessments when you don't know how judges will be judging.

 

[chuckm]

Mirai said in a recent interview that she wanted to do at least one more season and that she wanted incorporate what she learned from DWTS.

I personally think she's going to compete until she graduates.

On DWTS, Mirai will learn ballroom dancing with a partner. Now, I could see that if she wanted to switch to ice dance, that could be extremely helpful, but otherwise, I don't see how that correlates well with rotating and landing triple jumps.

 

[bubblecherry]

On DWTS, Mirai will learn ballroom dancing with a partner. Now, I could see that if she wanted to switch to ice dance, that could be extremely helpful, but otherwise, I don't see how that correlates well with rotating and landing triple jumps.

Well, not everything in figure skating is about jumps...

 

[cohen-esque]

^^Adelina’s performance skills improved leaps and bounds after she did SoI (although I think she also did quite a few shows in between her few competitive appearances).

Mirai could sorely use similar skills.

 

[chuckm]

Mirai has ALWAYS performed well in exhibitions over the years. Her problem has been performing well while competing. In DWTS competition, she will have a partner who is a professional dancer guiding her all the way. In skating competition, she is on the ice by herself and she has to execute the same moves she's been doing for years with a somewhat limited degree of success. She of course wants to attain a higher level of success, and so she concentrates her efforts on the technical execution of her programs rather than on the performance quality. That approach has been ingrained in her for the past ten years; a few months on DWTS isn't going to change it.

 

[JSM]

The one she posted looked no question clean: https://www.instagram.com/p/BhPaug4n4O6/?taken-by=starrandrews2001 . BV is 10.2. For reference BV of 3ltz-3t is 10.3.

Starr could try a layout like this:
3flip
3loop-3loop
2a-2t
-
3sal-2t-2lo
3lutz tap 2a( she did this sequence earlier in the season)
3flip-2lo
3lutz (or 3t if her 3lutz still isn't stable)

BV: (with second 3lutz and assuming all spins plus steps is lvl 4) 64.91
Her BV at nats last year with all lvl 4 spins and steps was 58.16

Way too many combos in this approach. You can only have maximum 3 combos or sequences, and I count 5 here.

In addition, you repeat the lutz, loop, and flip here, and you can only repeat a maximum of two triples.

 

[frida80]

The one she posted looked no question clean: https://www.instagram.com/p/BhPaug4n4O6/?taken-by=starrandrews2001 . BV is 10.2. For reference BV of 3ltz-3t is 10.3.

Starr could try a layout like this:
3flip
3loop-3loop
2a-2t
-
3sal-2t-2lo
3lutz tap 2a( she did this sequence earlier in the season)
3flip-2lo
3lutz (or 3t if her 3lutz still isn't stable)

BV: (with second 3lutz and assuming all spins plus steps is lvl 4) 64.91
Her BV at nats last year with all lvl 4 spins and steps was 58.16

You have too many combos and two many repeated jumps. This is why doing a loop+loop or toe+toe is so costly. You can only do one triple triple because you've used a combo and repeated a jump already.

I am very wear of putting +loop combinations. Hardly anyone gets them ratified no matter how clean they look. A +toe combo and a +1/2 Lo+ 3S are safer. The tech controller is more likely to give the skater those combos and therefore not destroy their score. Plus she can put a Rippon over her +3T, so it will help a lot.

As for Ting, her jumps are beautiful. I think she's really improved on her spins as well. I think with some good choreography, she should have a good season.

 

[JSM]

Whoops. I knew something was off lol. It's been a long week.
Lets try this:
3flip
3loop-3loop
2a
-
3sal-2t-2lo
3flip-2t
3lutz
3sal
BV: 61.85

Almost, you're still repeating three triples - flip, loop, and salchow. You could replace the final jumping pass with another 2A.

 

[skatenewbie]

Whoops. I knew something was off lol. It's been a long week.
Lets try this:
3flip
3loop-3loop
2a
-
3sal-2t-2lo
3flip-2t
3lutz
3sal
BV: 61.85

still not possible, you only can repeat 2 type of jumps, here you repeated 3F, 3S and 3Lo. possible layout for her with 3Lo-3Lo is

3Lo+3Lo
3Lz
3F
----
2A+1Lo+3S/2A+3T
3F+2T/3F+2T+2Lo
2A
3T/3S (depend on using -1Lo+3S/+3T combo in 2A

that if she want to do 7 triple, she could change the 2A combo to solo 2A and just do -2T somewhere instead but that wont be competitive. also her 3Lo+3Lo in that instagram is still URed quite obviously, even near downgrade if you look at slow-mo... so i doubt she will put it that soon. its too risky unless you really mastered it like Zagitova/Mao did. Even Evgenia have performed it often in practice dont dare to put it in her program.

 

[Spirals for Miles]

The one she posted looked no question clean: https://www.instagram.com/p/BhPaug4n4O6/?taken-by=starrandrews2001 . BV is 10.2. For reference BV of 3ltz-3t is 10.3.

Starr could try a layout like this:
3flip
3loop-3loop
2a-2t
-
3sal-2t-2lo
3lutz tap 2a( she did this sequence earlier in the season)
3flip-2lo
3lutz (or 3t if her 3lutz still isn't stable)

BV: (with second 3lutz and assuming all spins plus steps is lvl 4) 64.91
Her BV at nats last year with all lvl 4 spins and steps was 58.16

whoa what? 5 combos??
edit: others posted too

I like:
3Lo-3Lo
3Lz
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3F-2T-2Lo
3F
3S
2A-3T
2A