2019-20 Canadian Figure Skating

[Tavi...]

3 Russians + 3 Japanese + 2 Koreans + 2 Americans gets you to ten already, then add Kurakova, Tornaghi, Safonova, etc. and it becomes quite crowded.

Of course, it's skating, anything can (and will) happen, but it'd be a big lift for any of them to make top twelve.

I mean I don’t disagree. It’s just that people who look strong on paper sometimes underperform, and the score needed to place top 12 at Worlds can vary from year to year - for example, in 2018 Mariah placed 12th with a 174. You’re right that there will be a lot of people fighting for places 10-15, though.

 

[lusterfan]

I mean I don’t disagree. It’s just that people who look strong on paper sometimes underperform, and the score needed to place top 12 at Worlds can vary from year to year - for example, in 2018 Mariah placed 12th with a 174. You’re right that there will be a lot of people fighting for places 10-15, though.

Agree with the sentiment, but 2018 was a bad year to use as an example. Olympic year Worlds are always scarcely attended, whereas this season Russia will most likely send 3A (2018 Russia sent Stanislava, who ended up 19th), Japan will send 1 more, and 2 Korean ladies will be more than competitive.

Assuming Emily and Alison are both sent to Worlds, I think it will be very tough for them to have their placements add up to 28 or less. Not impossible, but the level of competition has gone up dramatically and they will have to be close to perfect.

No offense to the Canadian ladies, but the top 10 (3 Russia + 3 Japan + 2 US + 2 Korea) can have meltdowns but still be expected to score higher. Emily and Alison don't have any reputation to prop themselves up, and reputation scoring is huge at Worlds. Even at home for Skate Canada in a limited field, the Canadian ladies finished dead last in 10th, 11th, 12th (albeit it wasn't Emily and Alison). 13th & 14th or 13th & 15th might be semi-realistic, but neither can afford any mistakes.

Canada has relied on Kaetlyn and Gabby for far too long, and no one else has really stepped up. Maybe losing another spot at Worlds will be a wake up call to catch up with the other countries. I do think Gabby being sent to Worlds will be Canada's highest likelihood of retaining 2 spots (she has the reputation and has time to fix at least some of her current issues), but I don't think it would be the right choice. Gabby needs time to fix her underlying issues, and Canada as a nation will not develop the next generation by sending Gabby over and over, especially when she finished eighth at a weak home field.

 

[Scout]

With Paul's win, I think he takes the title from Kirsten for longest gap between national titles.

 

[Colonel Green]

Maybe losing another spot at Worlds will be a wake up call to catch up with the other countries.

Skate Canada wasn't unaware that most of the ladies beyond our recent top two weren't competitive internationally, and there isn't ultimately anything major that they can do about it one way or another; all the incentives and facilities are there (and have been all along), it's up to the girls to actually compete.*

* there's also the issue of injuries, of course, but since that's by definition unplanned it's not something any federation can avoid. But after 2018 nationals the federation clearly had a lot of hopes for Aurora, she got funding to go train with Ravi Walia, etc., which hasn't gone the way everyone hoped because she's been plagued with medical problems.

 

[Skater Boy]

Oh Canada!! Oh no.

wow. Nationals was quick and determinative unlike some competitions which are like a slow death. Give it to Canada bing bang bong and it's over. And it truly may be over.

Pairs - As expected and probably the best was to send Moore Towers/Marinaro out as national champs. They need to work on improving the amplitude if not difficulty of thier elements and of course their chemistry and pcs. This will be a popular approach = it was nice for Walsh and Michaud to get second but Lubov and Charlie still have greater potential internationally. Yes, they didnt do it here = maybe WM will be consistent but the new team probably has more promise (especially if she gets her jumps) But that is an if. Canada is more likely to have a better chance with Charlie and Lubov for three spots. WM just don't score as well internationally and will not get the reputation eeniefit as unfair as it is. They will lose the battle probably to the two American teams and Say the Australians or others.

Men - really like Roman. He has a Jeffrey Buttle/Chanesque beauty BUT the danger is he has just started to skate well and while no Canadian man is that consistent he seems riskier for the top ten needed than Messing or Chan who despite bad skates again are so close. I say go to 4CCS and then decide. Which ever goes to worlds better put out and get top ten - there should be and is pressure. All three are capable but intternationally Messing and Nam both have been in the top ten range it appears in the Grand Prix. I would say if Roman beats them in 4cc of course send him - it is such a risk Canada must send their "best" man most likely to guarantee two s pots.

Women - yuck. Yes congrats to the medallists. you have to give them credit. Good for them and they earned it. But what a mess and with the disintegration of Gabby Daleman I am sorry she is the only real hope for Canada at this point. Aurora has had injury issues and not the experience. I would send Gabby and one other - butt there are issues with min. Or the could make Gabby skate off at 4ccs though Imight rather see her dointense training andmonitor her. I am sorry but this is not very encouraging nothing against these ladies - they tried their best but they really sadly aren't good enough. I know the frustration with Gabby and her issues whatever they may be but sadly she is sitllthe best hope for top 12.

Dance. I don't get the scoring. Unless GP are really that good the scores for them were astronomically inflated but not so much for the other events especially in pairs where I thought Canada could have boosted themarks of the pairs especially pcs of MTM - my guess the US will have their top teams inflated to the hilt. No big surprsie. I thought Lsquared deserved second and SF have really just been falling down theladder lately. I do like GP and the judges here embraced them - these scores are gold medal world worthy. Now can the get on that world podium

 

[Ic3Rabbit]

^^Chan has a chance? You mean Nam there? And I'd compare Roman's quality and style of skating to Jeremy Abbott over Chan or Jeffrey, I've said this for years now. If he could just get his blades a little more quiet it would be perfection.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I don’t think Roman should have to prove himself again. They all knew what they we’re fighting for at Nationals.

Agreed - and that was a resounding victory too.

 

[halulupu]

very disapointing nationals. I hope the once so great fs nation comes back soon and very strong. the world needs strong canadian competitiors

 

[fzztsimmons]

Wow v shocked to see the standings when I woke up this morning - but well done Roman, his free skate was excellent and his spins - the one at the end was spectacular. Kinda devastated for Nam and Keegan, especially Keegs and the fall on that one quad toe looked like his head smacked right into the ice

Gotta say though, the highlight for me was actually Walsh/Michaud's free skate - they have improved sooooo much and they really put it all out there in that free! So happy they snatched the silver!

 

[Lester]

Dance. I don't get the scoring. Unless GP are really that good the scores for them were astronomically inflated but not so much for the other events especially in pairs where I thought Canada could have boosted themarks of the pairs especially pcs of MTM - my guess the US will have their top teams inflated to the hilt. No big surprsie. I thought Lsquared deserved second and SF have really just been falling down theladder lately. I do like GP and the judges here embraced them - these scores are gold medal world worthy. Now can the get on that world podium

The judges were like "Must get them World's medal. Must show confidence in G/P. Let's give them all the points!!!!" Scandalous

I mean I doubt international judges would ever give them all level 4s for everything. And there were small errors in the FD. But whatever it's their moment, let's celebrate them finally

 

[AlinaRina]

I still think in terms of scoring potential Gabby is higher than several skaters ahead of her. It makes sense to send her and a skater to get experience.

Is Emily of age and have the min TES to go to Worlds? Which Canadian ladies in the top 8 have it? It might end up having to be Gabby. If they want a shot at 2 spots Gabby should go but if they want to throw away any shot at it for the purpose of developing younger skaters that’s fine too.

Gabby isn't currently capable of putting a clean program on the ice (I think she landed 1 jump out of 7 in her free?), so she's no more able to get 2 spots than Emily or Allison are. I know people keep pointing out that she managed it last year, but she's seriously regressed this year (145 vs. 166 total score, including nationals inflation). There was a lot less ground to make up last year. Let the girl rest, it's going to do her no good to set her up for a bad experience and more stress and pressure.

 

[chuckm]

Dance. I don't get the scoring. Unless GP are really that good the scores for them were astronomically inflated but not so much for the other events especially in pairs where I thought Canada could have boosted themarks of the pairs especially pcs of MTM - my guess the US will have their top teams inflated to the hilt. No big surprsie. I thought Lsquared deserved second and SF have really just been falling down theladder lately. I do like GP and the judges here embraced them - these scores are gold medal world worthy. Now can the get on that world podium

G/P's score of 225.62 is exactly 0.99 less than Papadakis / Cizeron's top SB of 226.61. That has to be the ultimate in Nationals inflation.

 

[DSQ]

G/P's score of 225.62 is exactly 0.99 less than Papadakis / Cizeron's top SB of 226.61. That has to be the ultimate in Nationals inflation.

Wasn’t that also a WR?

Where do we think P2 will place at Worlds? If the French and the Russians are probably ahead the perhaps C/B as well maybe 5th?

 

[madraykin]

https://twitter.com/InTheLoPodcast/status/1218898993104601089

Men and Ladies entries for Worlds still TBD.

All podium finishers except Schizas to 4CC, Pineault 3rd woman for 4CC.

 

[Skater Boy]

Agree with the sentiment, but 2018 was a bad year to use as an example. Olympic year Worlds are always scarcely attended, whereas this season Russia will most likely send 3A (2018 Russia sent Stanislava, who ended up 19th), Japan will send 1 more, and 2 Korean ladies will be more than competitive.

Assuming Emily and Alison are both sent to Worlds, I think it will be very tough for them to have their placements add up to 28 or less. Not impossible, but the level of competition has gone up dramatically and they will have to be close to perfect.

No offense to the Canadian ladies, but the top 10 (3 Russia + 3 Japan + 2 US + 2 Korea) can have meltdowns but still be expected to score higher. Emily and Alison don't have any reputation to prop themselves up, and reputation scoring is huge at Worlds. Even at home for Skate Canada in a limited field, the Canadian ladies finished dead last in 10th, 11th, 12th (albeit it wasn't Emily and Alison). 13th & 14th or 13th & 15th might be semi-realistic, but neither can afford any mistakes.

Canada has relied on Kaetlyn and Gabby for far too long, and no one else has really stepped up. Maybe losing another spot at Worlds will be a wake up call to catch up with the other countries. I do think Gabby being sent to Worlds will be Canada's highest likelihood of retaining 2 spots (she has the reputation and has time to fix at least some of her current issues), but I don't think it would be the right choice. Gabby needs time to fix her underlying issues, and Canada as a nation will not develop the next generation by sending Gabby over and over, especially when she finished eighth at a weak home field.

Sending Emily and Allison to worlds may seem fair and in the long term may pay off. But realistically they probably aren't the stars of the future. I would in Canada's interestsfor two spots monitor Gabby. I didn't say it was fair but really she is still Canada's only hope. Neither Emily or Allison have much of a name recognition and like it or not that is an issue but perhaps thereis the other issue. They are rather generic, so so skaters. They aren't jumping beans, spin queens or artistic divas. i do not know if Canada looks at BOW or just nationals but this is a sad sad situation - nothing against Allison or Emily who deserved their placements. But winners with five clean triples or medalling with three yikes!

 

[lariko]

I’m impressed with Roman Sadovski, between that awesome bronze at NKH and the National title! I think it’s great to see stronger competition like that in men’s division.

A bit of a disappointment for me to see IB ending with bronze, not silver, in pairs, but it’s a great start.

I was hoping to see a bright new skater in the ladies division, and so far, I think, I can only think of the young lady I saw in Junior GP...

 

[Tavi...]

Agree with the sentiment, but 2018 was a bad year to use as an example. Olympic year Worlds are always scarcely attended, whereas this season Russia will most likely send 3A (2018 Russia sent Stanislava, who ended up 19th), Japan will send 1 more, and 2 Korean ladies will be more than competitive.

Assuming Emily and Alison are both sent to Worlds, I think it will be very tough for them to have their placements add up to 28 or less. Not impossible, but the level of competition has gone up dramatically and they will have to be close to perfect.

No offense to the Canadian ladies, but the top 10 (3 Russia + 3 Japan + 2 US + 2 Korea) can have meltdowns but still be expected to score higher. Emily and Alison don't have any reputation to prop themselves up, and reputation scoring is huge at Worlds. Even at home for Skate Canada in a limited field, the Canadian ladies finished dead last in 10th, 11th, 12th (albeit it wasn't Emily and Alison). 13th & 14th or 13th & 15th might be semi-realistic, but neither can afford any mistakes.

Canada has relied on Kaetlyn and Gabby for far too long, and no one else has really stepped up. Maybe losing another spot at Worlds will be a wake up call to catch up with the other countries. I do think Gabby being sent to Worlds will be Canada's highest likelihood of retaining 2 spots (she has the reputation and has time to fix at least some of her current issues), but I don't think it would be the right choice. Gabby needs time to fix her underlying issues, and Canada as a nation will not develop the next generation by sending Gabby over and over, especially when she finished eighth at a weak home field.

You’re right, it was a bad year to use as an example - I thought about that after I posted.

I was actually kind of impressed with Maddie Schizas. Despite the popped jumps, she looks like she has good future potential. Will look forward to seeing her develop.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Elladj interviews THE PAIRS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-yB-N9oQk

 

[Ziotic]

What are thy way thinking not auto assigning Brooke and Brandon to JWC???

Also my rage about not auto sending Roman is very high too.

 

[Colonel Green]

What are thy way thinking not auto assigning Brooke and Brandon to JWC???

Maybe they vanished into the wilds of Switzerland and the TBD is pending the search parties locating them?

I get all of the other TBDs apart from that one, though I'm mildly surprised that Emmy & Aissa's spot isn't considered a done deal after the national title win. I guess all those flubs have made Skate Canada want one more confirmation.

I'm guessing that the other three junior dance teams are going to the Bavarian Open. And I guess some of the junior pairs?