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kenboy123 said:
To me, it's not even about needing or not needing a second women's spot for next year...Daleman obviously is in no state to skate at this level or at all...if we keep on pushing her out there regardless, we are going to be completely void of any women being top level ready in a few years...Canada really has to do a better job growing young talent earlier especially the singles discipline...this is a problem in the men's too to a lesser extent...this is not so not really a problem in ice dance or pairs because they have longer careers and we have always had well trained pairs and ice dance teams...
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You really are lucky on that score, when one dance couple retires there's always another one coming up, as in pairs. And even in the men's, there might be some periods when it's lacking in results, but it always turns around in a good way (I mean you've got the wonderful Brian, Kurt, Elvis, and Patrick. And now Stephen coming up). Ladies may be more difficult, but still some really good ones (Kaetlyn and Joannie for example) in there as well. So, perhaps not so good now (still two medals at 4CC, and last year too), but I'm sure you will be back, as good as ever. It was of course horrible to loose that great Olympic team from 2018 - but it will come back. You Canadians always do!!!!!!! Thankfully, I must say, because otherwise it would be really boring.
 
TontoK said:
Send whoever is healthy and has the minimums and is mostly likely to perform credibly. Come back with the same one spot you went with, and give everyone a chance to fight it out next year.
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We have two spots this year, not one; but regardless, I don't disagree that it makes no sense to send Daleman. She (and maybe Aurora) are the only realistic chances to have two spots for the Olympics, and that depends on 2021, not 2020. Things haven't worked out ideally in the ladies discipline, but it is what it is.

kenboy123 said:
Canada really has to do a better job growing young talent earlier especially the singles discipline...this is a problem in the men's too to a lesser extent...this is not so not really a problem in ice dance or pairs because they have longer careers and we have always had well trained pairs and ice dance teams...
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The men's field of late has had its own issues, but that doesn't really have much to do with coaching or whatever. There was a whole crop of promising junior guys in recent years, and then they all grew to be six feet tall; not much that could have been done about that bar the use of anti-growth drugs, which I'm pretty sure WADA would look askance at.;)
 
the thing with spots...

i don't disagree with this year's turnout... like everyone, i'd send over a ladies spot to the men or even pairs...

but here is the catch..

it is MUCH harder to regain two spots with ONE skater having to place in top 10, then keep said two spots with top 12 + making the FP...

so if we do lose the second spot this year, next year, it will be really hard to qualify 2 for the Olympics... and that could really be bad if we do indeed have healthy girls, especially if we had one healthy Daleman with experience + one new up and coming girl without much international experience....


look what happened to Bausback at 4CC.... she didn't skate her best and her PCS were down.... so to me, considering the Russians, the Japanese and not forgetting the Koreans and the Americans, that's your top 10 already... where is the chance to qualify 2 ladies for the games... probably THIS year by retaining two spots with a miraculous top 12.... not next year with an even more miraculous top 10....
 
4everchan said:
look what happened to Bausback at 4CC.... she didn't skate her best and her PCS were down.... so to me, considering the Russians, the Japanese and not forgetting the Koreans and the Americans, that's your top 10 already... where is the chance to qualify 2 ladies for the games... probably THIS year by retaining two spots with a miraculous top 12.... not next year with an even more miraculous top 10....
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Daleman when she's actually healthy is entirely capable of competing with any of the other skaters who don't have triple Axels or quads.

Obviously it's easier to maintain 2 spots when you already have two. But since that's unlikely to be in the cards this year, there's little point getting too worked up on it, and especially no point in risking the health and long-term prospects of our best skater in the slim hope that she can completely turn things around.
 
Colonel Green said:
We have two spots this year, not one; but regardless, I don't disagree that it makes no sense to send Daleman. She (and maybe Aurora) are the only realistic chances to have two spots for the Olympics, and that depends on 2021, not 2020. Things haven't worked out ideally in the ladies discipline, but it is what it is.
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Thank you for the correction.

I'd just come off a men's thread, and got two different situations intertwined in my mind.
 
Colonel Green said:
Daleman when she's actually healthy is entirely capable of competing with any of the other skaters who don't have triple Axels or quads.

Obviously it's easier to maintain 2 spots when you already have two. But since that's unlikely to be in the cards this year, there's little point getting too worked up on it, and especially no point in risking the health and long-term prospects of our best skater in the slim hope that she can completely turn things around.
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Callilng Kaetlyn Osmond out of retirement? Okay not happening; time for ghost of Gabby D.
 
chuckm said:
Keegan's heart doesn't seem to be in it any more. I wouldn't be surprised if he retired.
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Well, I think that's an over-generalization. If you watch back any of his SPs (even the "off" one at COC), his heart is very much into it. He still enjoys skating. The LP is in a different style with a different type of music than anything Keegan has ever done before. To me, he never looked truly comfortable with it. It was always a fight and a struggle. So, to say "his heart is not in it [meaning skating] anymore" based on the 4CC LP is a big leap. Besides his comfort level with the program itself, add in factors like the length and difficulty of a long program versus a short program, how his personal life has impacted his training this whole season, and the quick turnaround from Nationals, plus he wasn't feeling 100% physically, and of course he's not going to look thrilled out there.

He may retire, he may not. I personally hope he doesn't, yet. But he'll do whatever he thinks is best. I just don't think anyone should jump to big conclusions based on the 4CC LP. I like the program in some ways, but I'm also very ready for it to go. It's been tough all season. I was hoping he'd do better, but part of me wasn't surprised, given how his other LPs have gone this season.

I wish Keegan all the best. May he have a rejuvenating off-season and be happy! :) :pray:
 
ladyjane said:
You really are lucky on that score, when one dance couple retires there's always another one coming up, as in pairs. And even in the men's, there might be some periods when it's lacking in results, but it always turns around in a good way (I mean you've got the wonderful Brian, Kurt, Elvis, and Patrick. And now Stephen coming up). Ladies may be more difficult, but still some really good ones (Kaetlyn and Joannie for example) in there as well. So, perhaps not so good now (still two medals at 4CC, and last year too), but I'm sure you will be back, as good as ever. It was of course horrible to loose that great Olympic team from 2018 - but it will come back. You Canadians always do!!!!!!! Thankfully, I must say, because otherwise it would be really boring.
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I think you missed a few - Brian Pockar, Jeffrey Buttle and that doesn't include the enigmatic Emanual sandu no world medal but wow when on.That's in respect to the men. Canada might be even worse off then the Jennifer Robinson reigh right now for the ladies. Maybe Auror will pull off a Kaetlyn or Kaiya will materialize?
 
It's going to be tough. If you look at Pineault's top 10th place 4CC score of 174.05, there are 7 Euros ladies scoring 180+ who can beat that score plus 5 who beat her 4CC, plus Miyahara (190) and Bell (212). That leaves Alicia at around 15th place, as long as she makes it through the SP. And I'm not convinced that Alison is consistent enough to beat those scores, as her SB is slightly under 170.

As for Kaiya, she, like Alysa Liu, won't be eligible for seniors until the Olympic year.
 
I feel the ladies are gonna need a quad jump to keep up. And some are young, ladies and quads in Canada don’t seem to be existing. Many post pictures of training and I don’t ever come across ladies in Canada doing these elements.
 
A percentage of Canadian novices have 3z and can add 3t and there's an even smaller percentage of juniors who have that skill. First things first. It won't help a skater to add a quad but not have the basic skills expected from elite senior skaters. The coaches have to be able to identify among those who do have basic skating skills up to 3z+3t who may be able to rotate and land 3a and quad, then teach them how to do it. The question is are there coaches who can train 3a and quad skills.


Then there is the question of injury. Several promising young US skaters have been training quads; some got sidelined due to injury (Hanna Harrell e.g.).
 
Skater Boy said:
I think you missed a few - Brian Pockar, Jeffrey Buttle and that doesn't include the enigmatic Emanual sandu no world medal but wow when on.That's in respect to the men. Canada might be even worse off then the Jennifer Robinson reigh right now for the ladies. Maybe Auror will pull off a Kaetlyn or Kaiya will materialize?
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Sorry to forget all these great men. And, yeah, Emanuel was wow when he was on (he did win the GPF once, didn't he?).
 
My belated congratulations to Sales & Wamsteeker for winning the bronze medal at the Bavarian Open :hap10: , and here's my non-YouTube link of their FD that I've cut from the archived livestream (720p): https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7rnyvs


I don't have their RD because Saturday's livestream wasn't archived (I was hoping it would show up by now, hence my delay in making this post), but luckily someone on YouTube made a screen recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apf7atwVGsk
 
ladyjane said:
Sorry to forget all these great men. And, yeah, Emanuel was wow when he was on (he did win the GPF once, didn't he?).
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It wasn't a slight on you. I try to be fair despite what some posters think lol. Canada has produced wonderful skaters in all disciplines medals or not. Yes, it honestly does seem dim right now - Jennifer Robinson was generally still top 10 once she got going but Canada has had some non medallists that were "special" (i did some youtubing) Kay Thomson amazing spinner and did get fifth in worlds at least once, Josee Chouinard also fifth at least once in worlds and when on had big huge jumps and great personality. Liz Manley, Joannie Rochette and of course Kaetlyn Osmond. They had that teen sensation and figures guru Tracey Wainman who coaches Roman; before he 80's they had more. And for a while they often had two skaters in the top ten especially the era of just researching Lisa Sargent, Karen Preston, Susan Humphries and Josee Chouinard. I believe.
 
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