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Forget about Juniors. Alysa would be a threat for the podium at senior worlds.

I'm happy Alysa and Kamila are both still juniors. It might already be the most exciting "rivalry" - in the respectful sense - in ladies figure skating, unless you consider 3A itself to be a rivalry. Or Rika vs. 3A? I guess.

We're going to see these two talented girls continue to face off all the way to Beijing. (As long as 3A don't block Kamila from the Olympics! What insanity that would be.) Both continue to develop, in part because they're pushing each other to get better. They're lucky to have each other in this respect.

Junior Worlds will be fun. Don't sleep on Haein Lee. She'll be a contender for the podium, as well.
 
I'm happy Alysa and Kamila are both still juniors. It might already be the most exciting "rivalry" - in the respectful sense - in ladies figure skating, unless you consider 3A itself to be a rivalry. Or Rika vs. 3A? I guess.
There's no rivalry. Kamila can beat her even without quads, just like 3A have always beaten Rika..
 
There's no rivalry. Kamila can beat her even without quads, just like 3A have always beaten Rika..

Really? And that explains why Russian fans are so obsessed with Alysa? Because she poses zero threat to Kamila? Stop fooling yourself.

I think most, including Alysa fans, will agree that Kamila is the favorite to win Junior Worlds, and rightfully so. But it's not a sure thing, and not just because of Alysa.

Plus, these girls are still developing, so things can change fast. The favorite today may not be the favorite tomorrow. I mean, look at the competition that Kamila will face in Russia alone, both behind her (Akatyeva, Samodelkina, Petrosyan, etc.) and ahead of her with the 3A once she graduates to seniors. While Alysa is in all likelihood a lock for Beijing, it's conceivable that Kamila doesn't even make it to the Olympics; while one or more of the 3A may experience body issues and decline, it's possible this doesn't happen, and if that's the case, it's going to be a fierce battle.

As for the 3A versus Rika, they've been competing against each other in seniors for less than a full season, so "always beaten" is meaningless. If you don't think Rika has a legitimate shot at knocking one of them off the podium, you're delusional. In fact, while I generally pull for the 3A, I'm sort of pulling for this outcome just to see blindly nationalistic fans humbled for once. Of course, realistically, you'll still fabricate some reason to discredit the outcome and disparage skaters from other countries.
 
Thank you for sharing! Samodelkina has a good arm, haha.

She's an athlete, so she has. But at almost 13, she is already solidly built, so maintaining competitive shape and weight when the growth spurts start might be a challenge for her, her parents and her team. We'll see.

I absolutely enjoyed her every performance in the nationals, no matter what some critics have said. Hopefully her good finish these Nationals will bring her funding and recognition, for Sof'ya is a skater to admire and follow in her progress.
 
Really? And that explains why Russian fans are so obsessed with Alysa? Because she poses zero threat to Kamila? Stop fooling yourself.

I think most, including Alysa fans, will agree that Kamila is the favorite to win Junior Worlds, and rightfully so. But it's not a sure thing, and not just because of Alysa.

Plus, these girls are still developing, so things can change fast. The favorite today may not be the favorite tomorrow. I mean, look at the competition that Kamila will face in Russia alone, both behind her (Akatyeva, Samodelkina, Petrosyan, etc.) and ahead of her with the 3A once she graduates to seniors. While Alysa is in all likelihood a lock for Beijing, it's conceivable that Kamila doesn't even make it to the Olympics; while one or more of the 3A may experience body issues and decline, it's possible this doesn't happen, and if that's the case, it's going to be a fierce battle.

As for the 3A versus Rika, they've been competing against each other in seniors for less than a full season, so "always beaten" is meaningless. If you don't think Rika has a legitimate shot at knocking one of them off the podium, you're delusional. In fact, while I generally pull for the 3A, I'm sort of pulling for this outcome just to see blindly nationalistic fans humbled for once. Of course, realistically, you'll still fabricate some reason to discredit the outcome and disparage skaters from other countries.

C'mon, wasn't there enough of this yesterday?

BTW 3A didn't meet with Rika for the first time this season.
 
Tarasova: such skaters as in Russia will be enough for all countries of the world

In an interview with Anatoliy Samokhvalov, Merited Trainer of Russia, Tat'yana Tarasova shared the results of the Russian Championship among juniors in women's single skating, in which Kamila Valiyeva won Gold, Sof'ya Akatyeva won Silver, and Dar'ya Usachyova won Bronze.

“ The sensations are grandiose ,” Tarasova shared. - Every one skated without any breaks. With a stunning thrust. Yesterday I said they rode like animals. What did I mean by that? Animals have tremendous endurance, they can not eat for a long time, do not drink for a long time and do not lose their strength. This is what I had in mind. It’s incredible how they put up with it! How do they add in the second half of the program? I myself am a professional trainer, but I didn’t see any of the girls performing with just a trace of fatigue or impending fatigue, I only see that they skated half their programs and then added more to it.

I have worked as a trainer for many years and I know that at certain points in the program an athlete gets a breather. But with those girls who performed in the Championship of Russia, there was virtually no movement that would restore their strength. They do not stop for a second, do not stand still, do not gain air. We hardly ever see this. It remains hidden from our eyes. But rather from the outside, a strengthening of their program. However, I can’t say that they skate like robots. No, they skate with their soul. Everyone hears their own music. Whether we like it or not is another matter. This lovely girl with her round eyes skating around under Edith Piaf, Adeliya Petrosyan (12 years old, took 6th place - Ed.) You think that its early to skate under such music at her age, and then you catch yourself thinking 'to hell with this', this girl is still amazing, she hears this music.

And such a maximum level of skating from almost everyone. No worries, no fears. Only this desire is to do better than you've ever done before. This has never happened before. A similar thing could be achieved in those days when there weren't such complex elements as we have now. Today we are having a Championship where everyone knows everything, with only a few people falling. Even with two triple Axels Sof'ya Samodelkina (4th place) didn't make the podium. Despite the fact that she slides and spins. Wonderful plasticity in this girl. They all rode like cannonballs. But - how long will it last? I have such a question. You can draw all the time from this jar, as Zhvanetskiy writes. But once the spoon scrapes along the bottom. And how then to attend to this jar? Probably, the trainers of this new generation, to whom I personally take off my hat and personally applaud, know how to attend to this, so that this spoon feeds us all the time. We were pioneers in our generation, now we have pioneers in a new generation.

Three athletes from Tutberidze were on the podium, and they all caused this effect of " wow! ". And if you evaluate everyone, then these girls will be enough for all countries of the world.

Judging was honest, for which I am very glad. I don’t know how the judges arranged the girls. Of course, Valiyeva is distinguished not only by her two quadruple jumps, but also by her posture, beauty, huge elasticity, and what God gave her. Akat'yeva is still that little thing! She's on a high. At the age of twelve, she knows everything that girls can do at 15 and at 16. These very young ones are already masters. On the other hand, they all have one task - to skate cleanly. But what to skate? This raises another question. I just wonder what a person is experiencing who looks at a girl who is three to four years younger and knows how to do exactly the same thing. Where do they go from here? We will look at this, after all, the Olympics are not tomorrow.

In Russia, it was always good with talents - both coaches and athletes. Let it continue. We, the senior generation, are only happy about this. We have worked our fifty-five years. We were also happy and collected a lot of different Golds. And Silver, of course. But this is no longer considered. We have absolutely no envy, there is only admiration and anticipation of what's next to come, which, of course, will bring pleasure and satisfaction to the coaches. I am very happy for them.
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From: https://rsport.ria.ru/20200209/1564444529.html

Well, the animal phrase got explained ;-)
 
According to Aleksandr Kogan, general manager of FFKKR, the Junior World Championships delegations will be decided by the coaching council later: https://rsport.ria.ru/20200208/1564440393.html

Does this mean some contestants will have a skate off kind of situation in the Russian Cup Finals?

Waiting for the finalised start lists, there remains only a week.
 
Tarasova: such skaters as in Russia will be enough for all countries of the world

Edwin, come on, "skate" not "rode" :)

Also non-Russian speakers lost the funny moment with "skate like a animal". There is a slang expression " beast!", "man, you're a beast!". This is a sign of admiration "you were really cool!". For example with these words Arutyunyan met Adam Rippon after SP at the Olympics-18. But this expression is kind of rough, masculine. It is somewhat inappropriate to use it for sophisticated girls-figure skaters. So after a negative reaction Tarasova backed down and presented the case as if she was literally talking about animals, started telling us about "animal endurance" and so on :laugh:
 
Some of people here coming just to wish bad things to russian girls, so they would have a last laugh... shaking my head.
The level of maturity is simply unfathomable.

for the record, majority of people here aren’t russian, so I would tone it down with “nationalistic” comments.
For one, neither I, nor Azikin, nor majority of people here have nationalistic motives.
 
Perhaps I'll start counting how often the word "nationalistic" is used in this thread :sarcasm:
 
Really? And that explains why Russian fans are so obsessed with Alysa? Because she poses zero threat to Kamila? Stop fooling yourself.

I think most, including Alysa fans, will agree that Kamila is the favorite to win Junior Worlds, and rightfully so. But it's not a sure thing, and not just because of Alysa.

Plus, these girls are still developing, so things can change fast. The favorite today may not be the favorite tomorrow. I mean, look at the competition that Kamila will face in Russia alone, both behind her (Akatyeva, Samodelkina, Petrosyan, etc.) and ahead of her with the 3A once she graduates to seniors. While Alysa is in all likelihood a lock for Beijing, it's conceivable that Kamila doesn't even make it to the Olympics; while one or more of the 3A may experience body issues and decline, it's possible this doesn't happen, and if that's the case, it's going to be a fierce battle.

As for the 3A versus Rika, they've been competing against each other in seniors for less than a full season, so "always beaten" is meaningless. If you don't think Rika has a legitimate shot at knocking one of them off the podium, you're delusional. In fact, while I generally pull for the 3A, I'm sort of pulling for this outcome just to see blindly nationalistic fans humbled for once. Of course, realistically, you'll still fabricate some reason to discredit the outcome and disparage skaters from other countries.

No one is obsessed about alysa ... she is just the only USA ladie to have a 4 and 3A so people talk about her .. so it's natural compare skaters ... and no one is blind to think that alysa or khira could end in the podium or winning the gold ... special in junior ... but it's difficult for that to happen because if you look at the junior fields ... it's like if you do't win the gold i will get your spot .. they have so many alternatives that for juniors and seniors every challenge is a batle of surviving ... that's why i think both gold will be to russia ... if kostornaia faills they have anna ... 3 of them failling is a mirage .. and khira never beated them ... in juniors alysa is expected the silver or gold but she needs to be perfect and expected a bad day of kamila because a perfect kamila always beats alysa.. and next year will be more russian juniors with 4 and 3A so alysa won't have that advantage .. but is true that alysa has a easy ride for the olympics because she doesn't have any competition in USA
 
On somewhat unrelated note, Eteri's Daughter, Diana Davis also goes to Junior worlds (Ice dances, in pair with Gleb Smolkin)
 
It is an ethical and right decision.

I personally think Ksenia going would’ve been an ethical and right decision as well.
Both girls were deserving, I wouldn’t have minded if both went, had there been 4 spots for junior ladies! :)
But I’m very happy for Maiia, she’s such a unique skater!
 
According to the results of the Russian Championship among juniors in Saransk, the decision of the coaching council and the executive committee of the FFKKR determined the composition of the delegation for the World Championship among juniors in Tallinn. The composition of the delegation was made according to the sporting principle, taking into account the age of the athletes.

Composition of the delegation

Boys: Daniil Samsonov, Pyotr Gumennik, Andrey Mozalyov.

Girls: Kamila Valiyeva, Dar'ya Usachyova, Maya Khromykh.

Pairs: Apollinaria Panfilova - Dmitriy Rylov, Kseniya Akhant'yeva - Valeriy Kolesov, Yuliya Artemyeva - Mikhail Nazarychev.

Dancers: Yelizaveta Shanayeva - David Narizhniy, Arina Ushakova - Maksim Nekrasov, Diana Davis - Gleb Smolkin.
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From: https://fsrussia.ru/news/4910-sosta...hempionat-mira-sredi-yuniorov-v-tallinne.html

Needless to say, an excellent and worthy delegation.

We know the boxes that need to get ticked for delegation, and Khromykh's efforts probably ticked more. I do feel sorry for Sinitsyna, she showed so much promise at Open Test Skates with her wonderful new programs, but Khromykh just showed more fighting spirit when it mattered most.
 
I think, regardless of who goes to the worlds, Usacheva/Sinitsina or Usacheva/Kromykh Russia isn't going to get 2 medals from this pair,because objectively,neither Sinitsina nor Kromykh are top 3 juniors in the world. In this situation, Maiia, due to her Ultra C is better shot at upset a-la Lilbet at 2019 worlds.
 
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