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I can understand her (or her team) wanting to try something new, given that she lags behind on PCS compared with the top women. Maybe the judges will find a program like this more palatable.

I like to see skaters experimenting on their exhibitions, I think she would do much better with something along the tempo of Big Spender - Big Spender was an engaging piece of music and I think she needs music to help her engage the audience and judges with something other than quads. This music didn't really engage her and she seemed to be doing what she does in competition where she's skating movement to movement vs. a cohesive performance...But then again this is the first time she's performing the piece so once she gets more comfortable into it she could grow into it more. I would be interested to see this program once its been skated a few times from her.

So, asking for some purely subjective opinions now: On social media some fans seem to believe the program Sasha debuted today will be her new SP for Worlds. What do you all think of that?

(also, I only noticed now that her costume is similar to the one Alina wore before. It looked so different on her!)

If this is seriously a brand new SP for Worlds? That makes me think a few things:
1. Her coaching staff is not the cool/calm/collected bunch they project - changing SPs 2 months before Worlds with most likely no competitions to iron it out with screams panic mode
2. Perhaps there was truth to the rumors that were floating around that 1 of the 'trio' in Kostornaia/Shcherbakova/Trusova was unhappy
3. They are potentially making the problem worse - her SP hasn't been the issue, yes she lags a couple points in PCS but she's been clean on it till they tried to introduce the triple axel. for the FS practice reports have indicated that Trusova is landing the jumps fine, it's when she gets into competition that all of a sudden she can't hit all the jumps which seems to be more mental than a physical issue

The only way it would make sense to do different SP than what she's done all season is if they brought back 1 of her previous programs.
 
Totally agree... The music is just bland.

Calling Schubert's masterpiece as "bland" :palmf:

I think this program is a way to try and earn her PCS but unfortunately it just highlights what her strengths definitely aren‘t. But she can improve on her PCS. Her skating skills aren‘t too shabby when she‘s not trying to land a million quads (I think, basic skating skills only, she’s better than Anna, for example) and something like “performance“ and “composition“ doesn‘t require elegance or musicality. She certainly can be a good performer and if she gets a well-choreographed SP, her marks there shouldn‘t be too bad either. So, I feel like instead of trying to make her something she isn‘t, they could give her something she loves and improve the overall quality of her skating. That would make people enjoy her and...well, judges are just people too, after all. ;)
Nah, it will be good enough. I mean, if comparing with "princess-like" skaters and classical pieces - if this RnJ kiddy interpretation skated on flat edges https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnqjOeBir3c is getting 32,74 in PCS - Sasha should look as PCS queen on that background with this program :confused2:

But this is what I don‘t understand. I don‘t feel like this is close to what I meant to say at all? I don‘t think Sasha is as good overall in PCS as someone like Aliona (yet) but then again, Aliona cannot jump quads, so Sasha wins over her there. Everyone has different strengths, that‘s actually my main point. But that‘s normal, right? World would be boring otherwise and not just the skating one....

Was she? Well, maybe she is - but fact is Alena's performance in this gala event was bad, way worse than Trusova's. She was missing all accents, simplifying choreo and steps, she wasn't interpreting anything. I think if assessing both performances objectively (which they'll never do in competitions) - Trusova should win over Alena in this event even in PCS. I am not trying to bash Alena here - just stating what I've seen. Still, PCS winner there was definitely Anna - understandably though - as she remember her program well. Nevertheless even Anna skated her step sequence completely out of sync with music.
I hope all three of them will be much better in WC (if it won't be canceled due to virus) because what they showed here isn't what I would consider being in good competitive form.
 
Two thoughts concerning Sasha:
1. No matter whether this is her new SP, Sasha skated this program for the very first time publicly.Keeping that in mind, she did well.
2. People are not used to see her in that role, some are even rejective about it (maybe incl. her "tear-everyone-into-pieces" brother :laugh:). But most of them will be prepared for it if she will perform it for the second time.
 
The "Road to Victory" show was nicely executed, safe for Alyona Kostornaya not given a proper cue when to start her EX.

Our 'child skaters' are quickly growing up now, or was there still some padding ;-)

Regarding the readiness and status of these EX? or FS? routines, we can only guess. Perhaps new EX's for the WC Gala and the big end of March FFKKR show, plus the stops of the Tutberidze Show of Champions?

Gleikhengauz is aware of the hatred and vitriol concerning himself and his colleagues and the skaters. The team tries both to shield and to educate their skaters not to pay too much attention and to not let it cloud their minds. It probably also means we're going to see less and less social media postings.
 
Trusova's SS and jumping ability are very good. Certainly better than Shcherbakova and Kostornaya IMO. It's important she does not lose track and try to fit into styles that do not highlight her strengths. I don't think she'll ever master lyrical skating as well as her teammates but it shouldn't really matter. She is a great performer and very charismatic. Fernandez and Chen are quite limited artistically but their other qualities really shine through in their programs. That's what Trusova and her team should be aiming.
 
Absolutely loved Sasha’s performance. The way she uses precise and powerful skating over the backdrop of this somewhat subdued music is an interesting contrast that I find incredibly effective. Her arm movements are really improving and she’s finding more and more effective ways to utilize her style to accent the music. She had a few technical errors that were obvious and she got a bit off after the 3-3 for a brief second but overall the effort was very good. I can’t wait to see her start landing that 3a regularly because she really launches that thing!

Not sure why people say she isn’t musical. I spent a huge portion of my life studying music and performing it. I mean that doesn’t mean much in the overall scheme of things and I’m not saying I’m right and anyone is wrong because of my musical experience but I certainly recognize that Sasha is able to capture musical phrases and lend character to those moments thru various means rooted in basic skating skills. She is sort of a student of “the science of figure skating” and while she doesn’t rely on dramatic gestures to express herself I think she is very effective at creating visually satisfying movements that are rooted in the art of figure skating but most importantly highlight musical phrasing.

Sure...she’s still improving and will continue to grow because we all know she works very hard but I think she’s beyond sufficient at adapting her planned content and footwork to fit her music. To say she isn’t musical is something I just don’t understand.
 
So far it seems that if Anna lands 2 quads and fully rotates the third one, she is going to win, even with a fall on third quad.

Of course it's hard to judge from a show, but right now it seems unlikely Alena skating better than she did at European and Alexandra managing to pull performance matching at least JO and I don't see even Clean Rika beating Anna with 2 quads.
 
Absolutely loved Sasha’s performance. The way she uses precise and powerful skating over the backdrop of this somewhat subdued music is an interesting contrast that I find incredibly effective. Her arm movements are really improving and she’s finding more and more effective ways to utilize her style to accent the music. She had a few technical errors that were obvious and she got a bit off after the 3-3 for a brief second but overall the effort was very good. I can’t wait to see her start landing that 3a regularly because she really launches that thing!

Not sure why people say she isn’t musical. I spent a huge portion of my life studying music and performing it. I mean that doesn’t mean much in the overall scheme of things and I’m not saying I’m right and anyone is wrong because of my musical experience but I certainly recognize that Sasha is able to capture musical phrases and lend character to those moments thru various means rooted in basic skating skills. She is sort of a student of “the science of figure skating” and while she doesn’t rely on dramatic gestures to express herself I think she is very effective at creating visually satisfying movements that are rooted in the art of figure skating but most importantly highlight musical phrasing.

Sure...she’s still improving and will continue to grow because we all know she works very hard but I think she’s beyond sufficient at adapting her planned content and footwork to fit her music. To say she isn’t musical is something I just don’t understand.


GOSH finallyyyy!!! You said exactly my thoughts about musicality of Trusova. I do believe, too, that she is really rythmic and seems to understand the music phrases. The cantilever of her, for example, was put into a place where her hands going backwards and the little pause she does before getting them back again js exactly in the place where the piano makes something like crescendo/staccato kind thing. Not all skaters can do that. For lot of skaters , this must be trained and sometimes they lose it . To be able to have in harmony your body with the "emotional"nuances of the music is difficult. it means you understand the music .
As for her skating in Serenade of Schubert, her innate power in her body movements makes such a smooth and beautiful contrast with this vulnerable and romantic piece of Schubert. Only thing she has to work is seeing the programm in a whole and not movement by movement.
 
I agree with both Sam-Skwantch and kallirroe that Sasha is musical; she's not an Anna, deeply connected to the music and gifted with the ability to be perfectly on time (except apparently for this performance, where she was out of synch during her step sequence!), but she's not without musicality. It's not as highly developed as Anna's and Aliona's, but she's not exactly tone deaf either, if you will forgive me mixing musical metaphors. She's also developed a lovely softness to her arms and upper body that wasn't there a few years ago - the carriage of her arms is increasingly graceful, and she has moments in this skate where she manages to convey a delicacy of line and wistfulness that I wouldn't have expected of her even last year.

I do believe she is more of a powerful, charismatic skater than a lyrical one, but even so, it is good to see her experimenting and broadening her range. What suits her now may not suit her in a few years - Anna's lovely short programme from her junior season is, for me at least, quite a striking example, as it fitted her brilliantly as a junior, but did not have the same magic in her show performance. Not because she skated it any less well, but in fact for the opposite reason - she is now more elegant than she was when skating on the JGP circuit, and so, for me, the young girl playing in the snow just wasn't quite right any longer for the skater she has become. It was still a pleasure to watch her skate to it, but she has grown beyond it. And so I think Sasha is wise to play around with different styles, to develop versatility while she is still young. And what better vehicle for experimentation than an exhibition skate at a show?
 
I was a fan of that new SP by Sasha!! I like everything that Sasha does, so I'm really biased....but I thought it was great. Yes, she skates with power even to this soft music, but that's just her. The judges seem to love these types of programs, and I expect to see it at Worlds actually (completely subjective opinion).
 
Fluture, have you considered the possibility that Sasha herself might have wanted more lyrical and feminine program? She is changing, growing and she surely has her opinions and desires. I remember one interview where she said that she likes wearing makeup, which surprised me, because I had the idea of a focused, result-driven fighter, who couldn‘t care less about makeup and cooking, but she does that as well. Plus, she has fairy tale hair and a tiny & trembling dog, while I would imagine her with a big, fiercely loyal breed. People are not one-dimensional and I am glad they are experimenting and going out of the box. Nothing wrong with trying new styles; it was a good decision.

P.S. and as a mother of a 15-year old, I can tell that they are extremely opinionated, even if wrong, often moody and tough to argue with. I know that elite athletes are not normal teens, but I am sure that even Eteri doesn’t have an easy ride.

Well, I never said that she wasn‘t allowed to try new styles. Obviously she is. In my very first post on the matter I actually said it might be a good idea to expand her range as a performer. I just wasn‘t sure about the intentions and if it was, as I‘d seen it, used to make her seem like a more “artistic skater“ then I felt they were going the wrong way about it. Because I thought that she doesn‘t have to skate in a style that isn‘t naturally hers. Aliona‘s probably never going to skate a Kill Bill program and that‘s not a problem either, is it? I felt like, with the right vehicle, Sasha could develop her PCS to a level that might not catch up with the very best of the world, but get her to a point where she‘s seen as a great performer with solid skating skills and insanely difficult transitions and a huge technical BV on top of that. I think she has the potential, and she doesn‘t necessarily NEED to have these lyrical programs. Now, if it was her personal wish - then, good for her! Absolutely. I just interpreted it differently.

As for the feminine thing. I will admit that I might have used the wrong choice of words in “princess-y“. It‘s a lyrical program. Does lyrical automatically mean feminine? Are Game of Thrones or Unstoppable less feminine programs, just because they‘re not lyrical? Is Wakaba Higuchi, who’s a more powerful than lyrical and soft skater as well, less feminine? I don’t think so. Sasha and Wakaba have a different style of skating than Anna and Satoko, for example. But this has nothing to do with femininity but just a natural skating style.

So, to make it clear: I don‘t think Sasha isn‘t feminine (obviously!) but that she might not be the best at lyrical, soft music and programs. But that‘s not a problem, there‘s lots of music that she can show she‘s matured with. And again, if she herself wants to skate to a lyrical program, go for it! I won’t stop her.

I‘m not surprised Sasha likes make up or cooking, though. Why wouldn’t she? A focused, result driven fighter (which I do think she is) can be interested in make up and cooking, that‘s not something that directly crosses each other out. What does “focused, result driven fighter“ even mean? Is Anna not one? Or Aliona? Zhenya? Alina? They‘re elite athletes who train day in and day out, who work their body to the bones and endure pain to reach their goals. If that‘s not a “result driven fighter“, I don‘t know what is. And yet they all like different things and are different people. I don’t see the correlation here tbh. :scratch2:

Sasha surely is everything but one-dimensional and that‘s actually what I‘ve always liked about her. She can rock wearing a leather jacket to the banquet, as well as a pretty dress. She can “tear her opponents into pieces“ on the ice and run off it to cuddle her dog. She‘s herself, that‘s cool! I actually cringed when I read that interview with Eteri where she described Sasha‘s character closer to a “male“ and said Aliona was a “real girl“ because she cries...(so men crying are “real girls“ too? That sounds... wrong. Not agreeing on that at all tbh) I wondered whether it was a translation issue because what even is a “real girl“? Or a “male character“?

The reason I wasn‘t so sure about her program wasn‘t that I see her as less feminine as her colleagues, it was that I did not see her liking this kind of music and didn‘t see it as her natural strength performing to it. If she goes on to tell in an interview at Worlds that this is her favorite program ever, then I‘ll stand corrected. But I will still think that different music might be suiting her personal skating style more. :)

To your PS: Eteri herself said that puberty basically is when “athletes start asking too many questions“ (her words, not mine), so I‘m sure she doesn’t have an easy ride when the “material“ suddenly attempts to develop their own minds... :laugh:
 
Sooooo...does it appear to anyone else that Kostornaia has hit a huge growth spurt? (EG: Puberty) In one month? Or perhaps the video perspective is playing tricks on my eyes. The timing really couldn't be worse, (if so) but what can you do.
 
Sooooo...does it appear to anyone else that Kostornaia has hit a huge growth spurt? (EG: Puberty) In one month? Or perhaps the video perspective is playing tricks on my eyes. The timing really couldn't be worse, (if so) but what can you do.

She looks taller to me. Whether that will have longer-term impact on her jumps is hard to assume based on a few falls, I'm unsure. It would be helpful to see her standing near Anna and Sasha to be sure, but she does look to have sprouted up a bit.
 
Picking a more "traditional" program for Sasha is a good idea, but not right before Worlds though. She has had so many changes in layouts this season and what she needs now is stability IMO. She can get close to 34 for her old SP and I doubt that she'd get more with the new one. It looks bit unfinished even, as if she still tried to skate to Peer Gynt. So basically creating a lyrical program is a good step in Sasha's direction, but I hope she doesn't skate to this competitively for now.
 
Sooooo...does it appear to anyone else that Kostornaia has hit a huge growth spurt? (EG: Puberty) In one month? Or perhaps the video perspective is playing tricks on my eyes. The timing really couldn't be worse, (if so) but what can you do.

Yes, it is very clear to me she has not only grown in height, but is also adjusting to her new distribution of weight. The timing really sucks and I wish it could’ve happened in April and not February, but you cannot control such things. Hopefully she is able to adjust and return to form for worlds but the difference between this show and Euros is visible.
 
For everyone who couldn't see the show.

https://youtu.be/eYCR1Mu58oc

Is this her new SP program?

I don't understand, i thought the Peer Gynt SP was fine, the free is the one that needs more expression and choreography.

I wonder if the entire purpose of this program is adds more time to set that 3A, cause in the Peer Gynt she's going for a short entry.

As for the new one, i don't mind it but few things i hope they'll work on:

1) She needs to hold that spiral longer otherwise it's transitions just for the sake of adding transitions.

2) a bit more flow and speed in the steps is needed especially during the knee slide part.

3) if she wears a blue dress for that, she may need a new costume for the free then cause that's also in blue.
 
Calling Schubert's masterpiece as "bland" :palmf:


I have nothing against Schubert, but think they shouldn't try to make her fit into the "classical ice princess"-box that Anna and Aliona fit in naturally.
Sascha's strength is literally her strength, her fighting spirit, the fact that you feel like you're watching history in the making when you watch her performances.
The new short programm in a way diminishes what makes her special :ohwell:
I do understand what they are going for but I think that she has to get used to this style and really practice so that they can use something like this in the upcoming season. I really hope they don't plan on changing her short programm for Worlds...:slink:
 
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