2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Azikin]

I don't even see how that could be remotely true. Both of those girls have not even debuted in juniors and probably won't be winning any major medals soon. you also don't even know how well they are going to keep their jumps or be injury free in the future. Trusova is a girl that if she fixes her mental state and gains something close to Medvedeva's old consistency levels she will beat all Eteri's remaining girls and the rest of the world every competition next season.

Because they just lost years of developing fantastic talents, while Trusova is coming to the age when her future is even less certain than those girls who have not even debuted.

 

[Arbitrary]

Because they just lost years of developing fantastic talents, while Trusova is coming to the age when her future is even less certain than those girls who have not even debuted.

Trusova's future not only fully certain, but determined. Pluschenko will do his best to send her back to Ryazan ASAP.
I can only hope she'll be healthy enough to continue her life. Not like Pluschenko himself.

 

[Fried]

(...)

Now I remember who recently accused me of being jealous of the fact that Russia has almost no infected people and Corona under control, while there are probably many infected people in my country.

 

[Arbitrary]

Now I remember who recently accused me of being jealous of the fact that Russia has almost no infected people and Corona under control, while there are probably many infected people in my country.

Not related to Corona. Plushenko's own health issues started long before and for very specific reasons. Now Trusova's time to eat the facts.

 

[Edwin]

Latest Moskovskiy Figurist is out: http://ffkm.ru/images/mf/Figurist_1_2020.pdf , with a resume of the past season and lots of other statistics and stuff on the Moscow figure skating scene. Will peruse the issue tonight and find any articles worth interpreting.

34 rinks in Moscow alone, 22 state financed, 12 private enterprises

I believe the controversy over financing a new Khrustalniy figure skating complex still hasn't been resolved, while certain private enterprises seem to profit from all kinds of financial trickery to get an advance.

 

[flanker]

Latest Moskovskiy Figurist is out: http://ffkm.ru/images/mf/Figurist_1_2020.pdf , with a resume of the past season and lots of other statistics and stuff on the Moscow figure skating scene. Will peruse the issue tonight and find any articles worth interpreting.

34 rinks in Moscow alone, 22 state financed, 12 private enterprises

I believe the controversy over financing a new Khrustalniy figure skating complex still hasn't been resolved, while certain private enterprises seem to profit from all kinds of financial trickery to get an advance.

Apart from the front page with Anna there is a great picture of Adeliya on the page 40, Kamila on the page 48 and Aliona on the page 52. And interesting podium on the page 64

 

[icetug]

And interesting podium on the page 64

There is Daria Panenkova on the top of the podium - and who else?

 

[flanker]

There is Daria Panenkova on the top of the podium - and who else?

Diana is on the third place

 

[patee]

There is Daria Panenkova on the top of the podium - and who else?

On her left it's Eteri's daughter, Diana, but I don't know who the other girl is...

 

[icetug]

Diana is on the third place

On her left it's Eteri's daughter, Diana, but I don't know who the other girl is...

Thank you, I wasn't sure if it could have been Diana.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

So lutz and flip now have the same BV and pre-rotation and full blade assists can be called to downgrade a jump. Not sure what this means for ladies skating until we see it in action, but all interesting developments.

 

[flanker]

Who's afraid of Virginia Lutz, that ISU has devalved the BV on the level of the Flip?

I have a proposal. Let's just unite Lz and F into a jump with ANY edge and call it ISU jump while introduce a new jump with a flat edge and call it Flanker jump

"Hey, Alina, have you seen my triple Flanker?"

 

[nussnacker]

So lutz and flip now have the same BV and pre-rotation and full blade assists can be called to downgrade a jump. Not sure what this means for ladies skating until we see it in action, but all interesting developments.

They only made an example of toe-axel there, hence I doubt they meant full blade in the same sense as fans mean it. A lot of quad toes have “full blade assist” if we would like to go there (although it’s definitely not a thing), and I don’t see how ISU would punish them, it would be ridiculous frankly speaking.

 

[Scott512]

Yeah and Eteri tore Aiden Pitkeev to shreds when he left and then it turned out his injuries were so severe he had to quit skating entirely. I don't remember Eteri apologising for her horrible comments. I agree Plushy's comments about Nastya were uncalled for, but she at least can still skate.

And you don't think Plushy is under huge pressure now? People are drooling at the chance to rip into him the second Sasha falters. They're positively rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of sticking the boot in. I've seen plenty of people on this board sneer at Plushy's achievements, who truly believe he has no talent, should have been 5th in Salt Lake, was overscored in Torino, should have been off the podium in Vancouver and say with a perfectly straight face that he simply had a gold medal handed to him in Sochi without doing a damn thing.

My issue is that it won't matter what Plushy does he'll either get the blame entirely if Sasha gets anything less than a silver (she got bronze with Eteri after all) or avoid giving him a shred of credit if she does.

I bet he really enjoys looking online to see whether he's going to be called a fake coach, or if maybe it's his wife who'll get the hate today or maybe they'll both get to hear how horrible they are! Spread the fun.

All coaches are wrong when they criticise and slander their students heading out the door the way Plushenko did Nastya T. But again I think it's the way these coaches were brought up. They were treated very harshly by their coaches and so they do the same to their pupils. It doesn't make it right but it makes it understandable as far as a psychology goes as to why this happens.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

They only made an example of toe-axel there, hence I doubt they meant full blade in the same sense as fans mean it. A lot of quad toes have “full blade assist” if we would like to go there (although it’s definitely not a thing), and I don’t see how ISU would punish them, it would be ridiculous frankly speaking.

Well it wouldn’t be ridiculous because they are cheated jumps if they have a full blade takeoff on a toe jump. Toe jumps include the jumps you pick to get into. Jumps are either toe jumps or edge jumps. They were quite clear. I highly doubt they will apply it though.

 

[Mathman]

Plushenko's own health issues started long before and for very specific reasons. Now Trusova's time to eat the facts.

Some food for thought indeed. Plushenko began skating in 1986 and officially retired in 2017. He abused his body for 31 years. He competed in the Olympics with a metal implant sticking out of his back.

We have had many discussions about whether intense competitiveness leads to meteoric but short careers before the skater's bady gives out. Long careers take their toll, too.

 

[Mathman]

I have a proposal. Let's just unite Lz and F into a jump with ANY edge and call it ISU jump.

In all seriousness, I have been advocating that improvement to the ISU rules for years. :yes:

They didn't listen to me though.

 

[nussnacker]

Well it wouldn’t be ridiculous because they are cheated jumps if they have a full blade takeoff on a toe jump. Toe jumps include the jumps you pick with to get into. Jumps are either toe jumps or edge jumps. They were quite clear. I highly doubt they will apply it though.

Well... those are not the same things. Quite frankly then it would mean anyone, including skaters like Boyang Jin, would get a full blade assist mark on their 4T. I don’t even think it’s possible to pick for a 4T with your blade staying high, correct me if I’m wrong. But from what I can see that’s not quite their definition of full blade assist though, since they are talking specifically about toe-axels there, and not toes in general.

I‘m not completely sure, but I think they didn’t have a definition of cheated take off in singles part of the guideline before, the definition was only mentioned in the pairs part of the guideline. If that’s the case (since I’m speaking from memory), then it would mean they just copied and slightly altered the rule from pairs, since it was missing in singles.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Well... those are not the same things. Quite frankly then it would mean anyone, including skaters like Boyang Jin, would get a full blade assist mark on their 4T. I don’t even think it’s possible to pick for a 4T with your blade staying high, correct me if I’m wrong. But from what I can see that’s not quite their definition of full blade assist though, since they are talking specifically about toe-axels there, and not toes in general.

I‘m not completely sure, but I think they didn’t have a definition of cheated take off in singles part of the guideline before, the definition was only mentioned in the pairs part of the guideline. If that’s the case (since I’m speaking from memory), then it would mean they just copied and slightly altered the rule from pairs, since it was missing in singles.

I’m not going to defend any skater with a full blade assist. It is what it is. I think it is something that has been missing along with pre-rotation being called. When they say toe axel I’m pretty certain they are referring to jumping into a toe jump forward instead of backward like you are suppose to. At the lower levels when you learn your single toe loop you are told it can not be a toe waltz, this means a toe loop with a full blade assist and excessive pre-rotation so it is essentially a waltz jump with a different entry. There are some lovely examples of skaters who don’t have a full blade assist on toe jumps and minimal pre-rotation so it is doable and I think it should be the standard all skaters aspire to.

 

[Mathman]

I don’t even think it’s possible to pick for a 4T with your blade staying high, correct me if I’m wrong.

That is an interesting observation, though. If it is harder to spring into the air off the toe-pick, and easier to muscle your way up from a full blade, then maybe skaters should get more points if they do it "right" and fewer points if the they do it "wrong."

The whole idea of the code of points is to give the most points for th hardest jump. If it turned out that a true toe-pick 4T is impossible, well, that gives skaters something to aim for.