2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Happy Skates]

A person hearing it from another who month ago was reading a message board etc etc. Not very trustworthy sources IMO.

We can sort of expect all of Khrustalniy staff, skaters and their parents/friends etc being under a NDA, otherwise a voluntary code of honour not to let anything slip.
Best follow the authoritative sources instead. Khrustalniy have a reputation to uphold, and maintaining integrity is part of that.

Yeah, I thought so, thats why I asked if anyone knew anything that confirmed it more.

 

[5Axel]

My favourite works of Daniil are Zhenya's Anna Karenina (still heavily influenced by Eteri) and Alina's Black Swan (hands down best SP that season).

I think I've read somewhere that the program was choreographed by Ilia Averbukh. Daniil made some final touches before Europeans and the Olympics.
Averbukhs ability to make such beautiful storytelling programs is actually the reason why I'm so excited about Zhenya's Exogenesis. I don't thing she will portray anything / anyone concrete though.

 

[Vandevska]

I think I've read somewhere that the program was choreographed by Ilia Averbukh. Daniil made some final touches before Europeans and the Olympics.
Averbukhs ability to make such beautiful storytelling programs is actually the reason why I'm so excited about Zhenya's Exogenesis. I don't thing she will portray anything / anyone concrete though.

I believe Anna K. is fully a Daniil + Eteri program. I remember reading in an interview the interviewer asking him how does it feel to have choreographed 2 Olympic programs or sth.

 

[nussnacker]

Thanks, another stolen Perviy Kanal feature clip, here is the original: https://www.1tv.ru/-/eyltc

Didn't notice this clip at first, it's so nice, can't wait for the whole thing!
Alyona talks about her practicing SS, Elizabet said she's cold and can't feel her toes , Anna and Alyona facetiming with Diana, all the fun stuff. :agree:
that's a really nice facility btw, with a pool and a hot tub

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Perfect teaser for the next season. And I see that eteri really wants to rule in the dog skating category too

She is Team Tutberidze in dog singles: Tina, Masaru ..

 

[Alexz]

I think I've read somewhere that the program was choreographed by Ilia Averbukh. Daniil made some final touches before Europeans and the Olympics.
Averbukhs ability to make such beautiful storytelling programs is actually the reason why I'm so excited about Zhenya's Exogenesis. I don't thing she will portray anything / anyone concrete though.

Nah. That was not Averbukh's program at all. He got nothing to do with it. And he won't be around Eteri's skaters any more. Fortunately!

 

[5Axel]

Nah. That was not Averbukh's program at all. He got nothing to do with it. And he won't be around Eteri's skaters any more. Fortunately!

Some of his programs are actually pretty good.

 

[Alexz]

Some of his programs are actually pretty good.

Too dated and gimmicky. Good for TV shows. It is like a popcorn - empty, useless, disposable. Just not my cup of tea. Let him do his ice shows and silly tv shows. Perfect thing for retired skating legends Russia is full of.

 

[5Axel]

Too dated and gimmicky. Good for TV shows. It is like a popcorn - empty, useless, disposable. Just not my cup of tea. Let him do his ice shows and silly tv shows. Perfect thing for retired skating legends Russia is full of.

Yeah, and that's why they have broken WR multiple times.[emoji19]
Look, everyone has the right to express their opinion, but what you wrote is really offensive.

 

[vesperalvioletta]

I think the programs that Eteri choreographed (Alina's Don Q, Alyona's Adios Nonino, Kamila's Picasso) are the best that have come out of that camp. Daniil's choreo just hasn't done much for me.

 

[Amei]

I think the programs that Eteri choreographed (Alina's Don Q, Alyona's Adios Nonino, Kamila's Picasso) are the best that have come out of that camp. Daniil's choreo just hasn't done much for me.

Daniil's choreo for me is hit and miss, I think his programs look well with skaters that are very naturally musical like Shcherbakova but for others that perhaps aren't super musical; his programs aren't spectacular, not to say they aren't winning programs because he and Eteri know how to load up programs for points but as a viewer of figure skating - just because a program wins doesn't necessarily mean its the best program to watch.

 

[gogoanya]

I asked IG teamashcherbakova (A. shcherbakova’s biggest IG account) if she might reuse her rondo program and she strongly said no. last season that account was the first source of Anya will have new SP so i think it’s very trustworthy. (i think she contacts via IG dm with Anya time to time)

 

[Autumn Leaves]

I think the programs that Eteri choreographed (Alina's Don Q, Alyona's Adios Nonino, Kamila's Picasso) are the best that have come out of that camp. Daniil's choreo just hasn't done much for me.

Also Evgenia‘s ex Kukushka was remarkable and it was Eteri‘s.

But Daniel‘s Black Swan was a masterpiece, as well as Anna‘s SP. So Daniel has hits as well.

 

[Happy Skates]

I asked IG teamashcherbakova (A. shcherbakova’s biggest IG account) if she might reuse her rondo program and she strongly said no. last season that account was the first source of Anya will have new SP so i think it’s very trustworthy. (i think she contacts via IG dm with Anya time to time)

Well hopefully thats true! Loved Rondo but it had its big moment at RusNats and I can't wait to see what her new program will look like! (most likely)

 

[IndiaP12]

In the video for olympic channel Sasha sais that when she is doing well at the training, she is called "Sashulina", when she is not doing well, she is just called "Trusova!"

*Sashulya

 

[IndiaP12]

The original clip is from the Perviy Kanal feature page: https://www.1tv.ru/sport/figurnoe-katanie-na-pervom/za-kadrom

Direct link to Zagitova: https://www.1tv.ru/-/oanvk
Direct link to Kanysheva: https://www.1tv.ru/-/bhecd
Direct link to Samsonov: https://www.1tv.ru/-/mxtlo

there'll be probably more over the coming days and weeks, but these are all recent and with the juniors from Novogorsk.

Perviy is pushing Khrustalniy, just to make TAT envious, LOL :dev2:
but seriously, Khrustalniy is where it is all happening, they lead, the other rinks follow and many are panting trying to catch up.
Khrustalniy brought athletism into figure skating, elevating the sport to a whole new level of difficulty that demands a whole different training approach and intensity.

Sorry if this sounds rude, but why do you say Perviy [emoji23] sounds too much like perv...

 

[Edwin]

Perviy (первый) means “first” in Russian, that’s all there is to it. No other meanings intended.

It is the official government channel in Russia, so state controlled. And the host broadcaster for most Ministry of Sports funded sports events.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_One_Russia

 

[nussnacker]

Yeah, and that's why they have broken WR multiple times.[emoji19]
Look, everyone has the right to express their opinion, but what you wrote is really offensive.

Breaking WR doesn’t mean he’s a great choreographer though
I actually don’t mind his work at all, I think he has done quite a few good programs, maybe he’s just becoming a little of a David Wilson lately, there are hits and misses when he does choreos I think. But everyone has those moments...
He wasn’t very up to doing competitive programs in recent years as he was focusing more and more on his shows, he has so many now in Russia and international ones too, so he only does competitive programs occasionally, he even said that in his interviews, that he’s not very interested in that.
But I think if he’s really into it, if he’s interested in creating something, he can create a very good program.

 

[Fluture]

Breaking WR doesn’t mean he’s a great choreographer though

Tell that to all these people who always bring up scores when someone dares to criticize Daniil.

I mean, I agree Averbukh can be hit and miss but so can every choreographer. Wilson, Daniil, Averbukh, everyone. And many may find his choreography abstract and with too much miming and weird but I found his recent programs which he did for Evgenia all great. I was always a fan of the miming, so while I don’t think Zhenya will do too much of that in her SP, it’s just funny to imagine some of the outrage if she did.

Averbukh’s over the top sometimes with his ambition to have stories in his programs (but so can Daniil, I mean come on) and his ideas become too abstract, yes. No one denies he has flaws. The only thing people were responding to was a comment that suggested Averbukh was outdated, old and only made terrible, “useless“ programs while Daniil was the best thing that ever happened to figure skating choreography. Which is just.... not true at all, actually, some of their flaws are pretty similar. And I guess not doing many competitive programs might be good in a way, too, so he‘s not out of ideas and can go into the few programs he does with a fresh mind. As long as he‘s interested, of course. But I strongly hope he wouldn‘t accept an offer if he didn‘t care about the program or skater at all.

 

[nussnacker]

Tell that to all these people who always bring up scores when someone dares to criticize Daniil.

I mean, I agree Averbukh can be hit and miss but so can every choreographer. Wilson, Daniil, Averbukh, everyone. And many may find his choreography abstract and with too much miming and weird but I found his recent programs which he did for Evgenia all great. I was always a fan of the miming, so while I don’t think Zhenya will do too much of that in her SP, it’s just funny to imagine some of the outrage if she did.

Averbukh’s over the top sometimes with his ambition to have stories in his programs (but so can Daniil, I mean come on) and his ideas become too abstract, yes. No one denies he has flaws. The only thing people were responding to was a comment that suggested Averbukh was outdated, old and only made terrible, “useless“ programs while Daniil was the best thing that ever happened to figure skating choreography. Which is just.... not true at all, actually, some of their flaws are pretty similar. And I guess not doing many competitive programs might be good in a way, too, so he‘s not out of ideas and can go into the few programs he does with a fresh mind. As long as he‘s interested, of course. But I strongly hope he wouldn‘t accept an offer if he didn‘t care about the program or skater at all.

Oh, I’m not saying every single program that Daniil has done is a masterpiece, he has some better ones and some that aren’t as great.
On the other hand, there’s a difference between Daniil type hit and miss and David Wilson/Averbukh type hit and miss.
I think Daniil as a choreographer who does competitive programs primarily has a certain level of understanding of how the programs would fit well and how to make them work to the very least to get a lot of points, they’re quite up to date and let the skaters do well in current scoring system. They might not be amazing all the time, although you have to admit he has some great ones, Black Swan for example, that was both innovative and unique. He’s like Richaud, he has his own way of doing things, it has its hits and misses, but it’s quite modern.
David Wilson (not picking on him on particular, that’s just an example), I think kind of thinks in the merits of a different era, where he truly flourished as a choreographer. His programs for Rika and Mai to me seemed like very generic ones, I also didn’t quite like his music cuts lately (not the way it was cut, but the music choices themselves), maybe it’s just due to my personal taste. It doesn’t mean Wilson can’t create a good program, but he certainly had more success in different era.
I think Averbukh can fit quite well to Evgenia’s style of skating and I think its what she responds well to, but maybe not so much with current Tutberidze team skaters or even a lot of other skaters, like Tuktik for example. I can’t imagine him doing Trusova or Alina or Elizabet’s programs, I think it will be a total mismatch and won’t let them win. But since he hyped his collaboration with Evgenia a lot, it does look like he will work hard to deliver.

 

[Fluture]

Oh, I’m not saying every single program that Daniil has done is a masterpiece, he has some better one and some that aren’t as great.
On the other hand, there’s a difference between Daniil type hit and miss and David Wilson/Averbukh type hit and miss.
I think Daniil as a choreographer who does competitive programs primarily has a certain level of understanding of how the programs would fit well and how to make them work to the very least to get a lot of points, they’re quite up to date and let the skaters do well in current scoring system. They might not be amazing all the time, although you have to admit he has some great ones, Black Swan for example, that was both innovative and unique. He’s like Richaud, he has his own way of doing things, it has its hits and misses, but it’s quite modern.
David Wilson (not picking on him on particular, that’s just an example), I think kind of thinks in the merits of a different era, where he truly flourished as a choreographer. His programs for Rika and Mai to me seemed like very generic ones, I also didn’t quite like his music cuts lately (not the way it was cut, but the music choices themselves), maybe it’s just my personal opinion of him.
I think Averbukh can fit quite well to Evgenia’s style of skating and I think its what she responds well too, but maybe not so much with current Tutberidze team skaters or even a lot of other skaters, like Tuktik for example. I can’t imagine him doing Trusova or Alina or Elizabet’s programs, I think it will be a total mismatch and won’t let them win. But since he hyped his collaboration with Evgenia a lot, it does look like he will work hard to deliver.

I didn‘t say Daniil doesn‘t deliver masterpieces. He does. I loved lots of them in the past. It‘s just that he‘s more hit and miss than people like to admit and I personally think that might be exactly because he has so many programs to choreograph each season.

Also, I think Averbukh and Wilson are two very different choreographers in their style and I can‘t find one argument where I could lump them together. Wilson is more old-fashioned and I’m the first one to admit that his recent programs just haven’t had the it factor. From the few that come to mind last season, I only enjoyed Zhenya‘s tango. And that wasn‘t because of the choreography (which was pretty bland other than the step sequence) but because she made it work when she delivered.

Averbukh, however, kind of started the whole character and story driven programs for Eteri girls with Yulia and then mostly Zhenya (not saying he invented them, obviously but that they became more frequent in ladies afterwards) He was criticized a lot for his abstract programs, too many transitions, relying on “gimmicks“ to tell a story (with which I can agree to a certain point), similar to what Daniil gets criticized for today. So, I’d say he still is quite up to date. I don’t see where he’s not modern when people have always criticized him for being too modern and abstract. And from the skaters you mentioned - Alina, Sasha and Elizabet - no I cannot imagine Averbukh programs for them either. For Anna and Aliona, however, I can. I think it might actually fit quite well for them, like it did for Evgenia. But since Averbukh doesn‘t seem too interested in choreographing competitive programs anymore, I doubt something like this will happen soon. Also, because you mentioned Tuktik, Averbukh did Sofia‘s Burlesque program and a recent exhibition for Liza. So....