2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[vesperalvioletta]

Is Kamila Valieva age-eligible for Senior Russian Nationals this year?

I think she'll be too young this year. I'm pretty sure only Kanysheva will be age eligible of the Eteri juniors.

 

[Edwin]

Kanysheva is their only 2005 born skater? Must check on the team listings to see if any additions have been made over the summer.

Administration of FFKM etc is slow though.

Who is 2006 born? Akat’yeva, Rubtsova and Petrosyan are all 2007 born girls.

One would think #TeamTutberidzeForProgress wants an even distribution of chances in every age group, though with respect to the Olympic cycle, not every year of birth matters equally.

Is being accepted into Khrustalniy’s top group called ‘poaching’ or like winning the lottery?

 

[Spirals for Miles]

Kanysheva is their only 2005 born skater? Must check on the team listings to see if any additions have been made over the summer.

Administration of FFKM etc is slow though.

Who is 2006 born? Akat’yeva, Rubtsova and Petrosyan are all 2007 born girls.

One would think #TeamTutberidzeForProgress wants an even distribution of chances in every age group, though with respect to the Olympic cycle, not every year of birth matters equally.

Is being accepted into Khrustalniy’s top group called ‘poaching’ or like winning the lottery?

Valieva, Kromykh, and Usacheva are all born in 2006
From other groups, Muravyeva was born in the second half of 2006

 

[Vandevska]

Yeah, that was more of a hypothetical question anyway. And I know you didn’t mean it like that but it sometimes feels as if people were so ready to replace older skaters when the new ones turn up in juniors. And Sasha and the others have barely turned seniors yet. I’m hoping for Aliona’s 3A too because it would make her more competitive with Anna and Sasha and would make the rivalry even more exciting but I don‘t think we should rule out Sasha on anything. I firmly believe that she won‘t stop until she lands that 3A at least once in competition. That’s just her.

I miss our seniors (here including the 3A too) so much. I can't wait for test skates.

No offense to the talented upcoming juniors, but the 3A is my favourite bunch :luv17:

 

[Edwin]

Valieva, Kromykh, and Usacheva are all born in 2006
From other groups, Muravyeva was born in the second half of 2006

My bad, complete blackout, sorry.

 

[Vandevska]

Kanysheva is their only 2005 born skater? Must check on the team listings to see if any additions have been made over the summer.

Administration of FFKM etc is slow though.

Who is 2006 born? Akat’yeva, Rubtsova and Petrosyan are all 2007 born girls.

One would think #TeamTutberidzeForProgress wants an even distribution of chances in every age group, though with respect to the Olympic cycle, not every year of birth matters equally.

Is being accepted into Khrustalniy’s top group called ‘poaching’ or like winning the lottery?

"Poaching" for sure not, because Eteri doesn't go around stealing other coaches' skaters, the skaters go to her.

 

[Edwin]

Well, they are being scouted actively, and why not?

Kanysheva stayed politically correct in her post Test Skates interview with Olga Yermolina and the assembled press. But I could not rid myself of the impression the desire from Khrustalniy to have her switch to them was made clear in Vancouver JGPF.

And without denigrating #TeamPanova, I think Kanysheva will flourish in #TeamTutberidzeForProgress.

I still wonder if Tarakanova now regrets leaving Khrustalniy?
She is too proud to admit to this herself probably, but I consider her leaving unfortunate.
Some girls just go into their ‘mental’ puberty earlier than others, are more independent or rebellious by nature, wear their emotions on their face, their hearts on their sleeves, more strong willed or stubborn by character. Or just more vocal by nature.
Nothing too serious that cannot be handled the pedagogic way.
Eteri Georgiyevna went through a period of personal emotional turmoil herself around that time, and perhaps should have left Anastasiya more under the wings of Dudakov, Gleikhengauz or Rozonav if there were frequent and violent emotional clashes between the two women.
Without the now perhaps wasted interlude at Plyushchenko’s Angels, Tarakanova could have been at least equal with the 3A and we would have a 4A to marvel over.

Sambo-70 is a sports educational center, they are not into pedagogy per se.

 

[Maju]

What is the source for Liza changing her old program and keeping choreography? Can someone link it please?

 

[Vandevska]

Well, they are being scouted actively, and why not?

My point stemmed from what poach means: "take or acquire in an unfair or clandestine way (etc.)". That's why I don't think it's the appropriate explanation, though I understand your point anyway.

 

[Edwin]

My point stemmed from what poach means: "take or acquire in an unfair or clandestine way (etc.)". That's why I don't think it's the appropriate explanation, though I understand your point anyway.

Still, given the recent Lozko and other, older, interviews with retired skaters, the originating rinks and trainers regret their athletes being taken away.

But deep in their heats they must know their athletes require more and more specific training they or their small rink cannot provide.
Good PE, good sliding, good spinning, good jumping, good choreography, each require dedicated and competent professionals.

I like those skaters who give their older trainers full credit and display gratitude towards them, and perhaps present them with a small portion of their price money on occasions. Or just by keeping in touch, making appearances at the old rink to stimulate the young skaters, etc. Just being nice.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

What is the source for Liza changing her old program and keeping choreography? Can someone link it please?

New music
https://matchtv.ru/figure-skating/m...chem_budut_udivlat_zvezdnyje_ucheniki_Mishina

New music, keeping choreo
https://m.sportsdaily.ru/articles/e...lya-v-proizvolnoj-programme-i-odin-v-korotkoj

 

[ruga]

What is the source for Liza changing her old program and keeping choreography? Can someone link it please?

There are her SP videos 4 pages back as well

 

[SkateSkates]

Well, they are being scouted actively, and why not?

Kanysheva stayed politically correct in her post Test Skates interview with Olga Yermolina and the assembled press. But I could not rid myself of the impression the desire from Khrustalniy to have her switch to them was made clear in Vancouver JGPF.

And without denigrating #TeamPanova, I think Kanysheva will flourish in #TeamTutberidzeForProgress.

I still wonder if Tarakanova now regrets leaving Khrustalniy?
She is too proud to admit to this herself probably, but I consider her leaving unfortunate.
Some girls just go into their ‘mental’ puberty earlier than others, are more independent or rebellious by nature, wear their emotions on their face, their hearts on their sleeves, more strong willed or stubborn by character. Or just more vocal by nature.
Nothing too serious that cannot be handled the pedagogic way.
Eteri Georgiyevna went through a period of personal emotional turmoil herself around that time, and perhaps should have left Anastasiya more under the wings of Dudakov, Gleikhengauz or Rozonav if there were frequent and violent emotional clashes between the two women.
Without the now perhaps wasted interlude at Plyushchenko’s Angels, Tarakanova could have been at least equal with the 3A and we would have a 4A to marvel over.

Sambo-70 is a sports educational center, they are not into pedagogy per se.

Tarakanova didn’t leave due to clashes with Eteri, she quit the sport entirely for a month. She wasn’t used to skating clean and not winning and became discouraged because this started happening to her in the 2017/18 season. She also had some injuries and illness at the end of that season. Then after a month of sitting at home she decided to come back to the sport and needed to find a coach ASAP, talked to Serafima, and went to Plush.

 

[Edwin]

Thanks. We’ll see in a couple of days how Tarakanova is doing. And what #TeamPanova have been able to straighten out since Test Skates.
Anastasiya will very much want to prove herself.

One thing still wonders me, only the latest issue of FFKM’s Moskovskiy Figurist had the official confirmation of Tarakanova switching from Khrustalniy to Snow Leopards. No mention of any Plyushchenko’s Angels. Then Anastasiya’s plea for financial support and sponsors, a both gutsy and risky thing to do, but perhaps an indication of her strong and independent character?
It is all very confusing and I hope Anastasiya has been honest and fair. For a 15 y.o. she probably didn’t know all the details and how to conduct herself.
Hopefully everything has been sorted now she is with Snow Leopards.

 

[Watch]

Interesting interview by Alisa Lozko, how Mishin ....ahem.... politically influenced the development of her career, Tutberidze, her work as a coach
https://matchtv.ru/figure-skating/m...ruzhbe_s_Zagitovoj_Bolshoje_intervju_Match_TV

She also shared how when they were kids with Alina, their first coach didn't even explain the difference between lutzes and flips, and the girls only new that they need to use different entrances into those 2 jumps, but had no idea about outside/inside edges. explains a lot on why so many kids have edge issues
Also talked about her struggles as a coach, how some kids sometimes do things their own way no matter how much you talk and explain them.
Interesting stories about Mishin too. Did not expect he would do something like this, like telling other coaches not to coach Alisa wow...

It's not the first time I hear about cases where a skater was actively prevented from changing coaches, so this is something that's probably rare but not totally uncommon, and it's such an awful thing to do... seriously, if a skater wants to change a coach, the coach finds out and sabotages the attempt, what kind of a productive skater-coach relationship can exist between them going on from there? Obviously, none. It's just awfully petty and senseless. Very disappointing to hear something like this about Mishin.

On a side note, does anyone else find it a bit concerning how common it's become for VERY young retired skaters to start coaching themselves immediately? Alisa sounds like a very sensible young lady, but she's what, 16 like Alina? And she's not an exception either. There's nothing wrong with these kids going into coaching later, but it might be better to get an education first, including a coaching one, before getting entrusted with teaching children while they're still not grown ups themselves. Knowing how to do something themselves doesn't mean you'll able to teach it to others, there's a very different skill set required for that.

 

[Edwin]

They are probably apprentice coaches, working with the 3-4 year olds, the free of admission play-and-scout groups every rink advertises near the start of school year?

If you can manage a dozen toddlers, you’re off to a good start

 

[Tolstoj]

Interesting interview by Alisa Lozko, how Mishin ....ahem.... politically influenced the development of her career, Tutberidze, her work as a coach
https://matchtv.ru/figure-skating/m...ruzhbe_s_Zagitovoj_Bolshoje_intervju_Match_TV

She also shared how when they were kids with Alina, their first coach didn't even explain the difference between lutzes and flips, and the girls only new that they need to use different entrances into those 2 jumps, but had no idea about outside/inside edges. explains a lot on why so many kids have edge issues
Also talked about her struggles as a coach, how some kids sometimes do things their own way no matter how much you talk and explain them.
Interesting stories about Mishin too. Did not expect he would do something like this, like telling other coaches not to coach Alisa wow...

Alisa made a big mistake sharing on social media that she was planning to move to Eteri before it was official.

on Mishin, yes that's rude but you have to understand their point of view: SPB is constantly outshadowed by Moscow due to RusFed being in Moscow (let's be honest), most SPB coaches complained for ages about lack of funding, and because of that often talents tend to move to Moscow,... Training kids only to see them moving to Moscow later is not great in general.

Anyway Lozko is one of several skaters Mishin had and couldn't bring to success due to different packaging from his style: he couldn't enhance the artistry of Lozko, Nugumanova, Gumennik,... and his "slow" step-by-step approach didn't work all that much either for the jumps. In fact the only one who made it through is Samodurova because she is a fighter.

On a side note, does anyone else find it a bit concerning how common it's become for VERY young retired skaters to start coaching themselves immediately? Alisa sounds like a very sensible young lady, but she's what, 16 like Alina? And she's not an exception either. There's nothing wrong with these kids going into coaching later, but it might be better to get an education first, including a coaching one, before getting entrusted with teaching children while they're still not grown ups themselves. Knowing how to do something themselves doesn't mean you'll able to teach it to others, there's a very different skill set required for that.

Yes this is not cool.

In a recent interview Tarasova, that a coach should be like a parent, you have to make sure athletes have a life after figure skating, Tamara Moskvina also said in an interview she always makes sure all her athletes have the proper time to study, get a diploma/degree because unless you become a coach, figure skating doesn't last forever.

At the age 15-16 you have nothing, you spent 10-12 years of your life for competing in figure skating, a coach tells you to retire (which is so embarassing, that must be always on the skater and never on the coach) and then what?

 

[Edwin]

In a recent interview Tarasova, that a coach should be like a parent, you have to make sure athletes have a life after figure skating, Tamara Moskvina also said in an interview she always makes sure all her athletes have the proper time to study, get a diploma/degree because unless you become a coach, figure skating doesn't last forever.

Indeed. FFKKR cares nothing about the athletes’ future, it is not in their call of duty. Their duty is to deliver medals to the Russia Ministry of Sports, preferably gold medals.

Ensuring a child’s future is primarily the concern and responsibility of their parents. Good and dedicated trainers know this and emphasize this. Not taking study time away by properly scheduling trainings, Ice time etc as good as circumstances allow.

 

[Edwin]

FFKSPb should start applying themselves to find more independent financial means then? Sankt Peterburg is an affluent city, but is the major’s office really interested in keeping SPb valid in Russia’s and the worlds sports scene? It sort of is a matter of pride.
They are caught in a circle now.
Men’s, pairs and dance are still very competitive, ladies are not.
Tuktamysheva isn’t paying full attention to her career development I gather from the other threads. Samodurova with all respect is not on the same level as the Moscow skaters, Medvyedeva included.
Nobody in the JGP, hardly anybody in the Challengers, it is about time for a change in leadership I think.
New ideas, new elan, new people...

 

[Scott512]

It's not the first time I hear about cases where a skater was actively prevented from changing coaches, so this is something that's probably rare but not totally uncommon, and it's such an awful thing to do... seriously, if a skater wants to change a coach, the coach finds out and sabotages the attempt, what kind of a productive skater-coach relationship can exist between them going on from there? Obviously, none. It's just awfully petty and senseless. Very disappointing to hear something like this about Mishin.

On a side note, does anyone else find it a bit concerning how common it's become for VERY young retired skaters to start coaching themselves immediately? Alisa sounds like a very sensible young lady, but she's what, 16 like Alina? And she's not an exception either. There's nothing wrong with these kids going into coaching later, but it might be better to get an education first, including a coaching one, before getting entrusted with teaching children while they're still not grown ups themselves. Knowing how to do something themselves doesn't mean you'll able to teach it to others, there's a very different skill set required for that.

I too am concerned about these young girls going from figure skating into coaching without a break. That includes Polina too. I think she partly retired because of a loss of interest and she may never have really loved figure skating it may have been her parents pushing her. If she's coaching really young children that's one thing. If she's coaching 12 to 15 year olds that's another.

I'm sorry the competition is so brutal with a Russian ladies. On one hand it's unbelievable to see but on the other hand some skaters fall through the cracks like Alisa. I'm especially worried about Nastya and Dasha right now. I think Nastya it still has a chance to be relevant in the next couple years. I have less hope for Daria. I wish the best for all of them that's for sure.