2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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Hmmm.. I am not that sure about that. I'll elaborate once it's over =)

I was rooting for Nastya and still am rooting for her to come back strong tomorrow, but she lost her combo while both Korean girls skated clean. There's really no room for discussion who was stronger today.

 

[nussnacker]

I'll be interested to hear your opinion, of course but both landed their jumps. Nastya didn't. Without saying anything else, I think it's clear from that alone who had the better skate today overall.

I think 1st one (Seoyeon JI) got an edge call and downgraded jump overlooked, and the other one(Yeonjeong PARK) got again an edge call and an underrotation overlooked.
+ the fact that pcs for both were almost identical with Nastia (even with a fall) was quite surprising

Even if we keep PCS the way they were awarded and deduct simply that edge call and << for Seoyeon JI, she would already get 58.56 by my estimates. (3Lze+3T<<: bv reduction and goe -4 on that combo).
For PARK I would've again deducted at least for ! (or more like e, but okay, the camera angle wasn't good) and < on the 3toe, which would've dropped her score to 59.84 keeping everything else the same.

Needless to say, I think Nastia's pcs should've been way higher.

 

[flanker]

So, russian girl probably won't win JGP competition after 3 years streak (which was highly anticipated long before) and people see the end of the world. The fact that Koreans found two or three girls who skated clean on one competition (some of them not even two programs yet) doesn't change a thing, one Alysa is literally one Alysa, it's only second JGP out of seven and there are plenty of russian girls who didn't even skated yet. Girls, who are artistically better than anything we have seen from girls from other countries so far, who are consistent most of the time (nobody is consistent everytime) and who have very high chance to qualify for JGP final.

Just remember last year, Yelim Kim had two solid JGP competitions, but when she had to confirm it at JGP final, she ended last. Or all those hopes in Young You and some other girls which they never confirmed. I'm not bashing korean girls but the fact that one korean girl was silver last week and two are 2nd and 3rd after SP today (when the only participating russian girl - not the strongest of the national team - fell on combo) means nothing. People are spoiled but that doesn't mean that Kamila, Kseniia, Maiia, Daria etc. are not favorites anymore. For now many of them has little to no int. experience but high expectations, just read comments here. And every mistake is demonized and every success marginalized. Find solid ground.

P. S. You should also notice that it was only Nastya who had all lvl 4, not even Alysa, which also speaks about qualities a little.

 

[Tolstoj]

Seems like Sinitsyna's document problems turn out to be a blessing in disguise. Those two new Korean girls proved themselves today, and if they repeat their confidence tomorrow, will be amongst the medalists.

idk scores were super inflated here, the korean who had 39 points on TES had like zero transitions going into the elements, and rather weak skating skills, that score would have been a 64 elsewhere and Alysa's score probably a 66-67.

I'd suggest to look in particular at the two foot skating.

In general i don't like JGP Ladies all that much this season, because there is more politicking than usual: JGP USA was clearly an heavy move from USFSA to inflate Alysa's scores (that plus the scores at Nationals, Aurora Games it was all done to set a narrative) and i can guarantee you RusFed will do the same at JGP Russia with Valieva.

Competition gets more interesting when you leave the home cooking out regardless of who does it.

That said the fact russians are less strong than previous seasons is evident.

 

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I think 1st one got an edge call and downgraded jump overlooked, and the other one got again an edge call and an underrotation overlooked.
+ the fact that pcs for both were almost identical with Nastia (even with a fall) was quite surprising

Even if we keep PCS the way they were awarded and deduct simply that edge call and dg fro Seoyeon JI, she would already get 58.56 by my estimates. (3Lz+3T<<: bv reduction and goe -4 on that combo).
Needless to say, I think Nastia's pcs should've been way higher.

A downgrade? Sorry, I didn't see that at all. And -4 GOE? Lol. And Nastya's PCS should be high (she was underscored in the past for that) when she performs. She didn't today. Her skating skills are still some of the best of the bunch but she was slower today and her performance was just not there. I do hope she comes back in the FS but to argue that Nastya was better than Seoyeon today when she had a fall, no combo and no performance whatsoever and Seoyeon skated cleanly, is just... I mean... come on.

 

[nussnacker]

A downgrade? Sorry, I didn't see that at all. And -4 GOE? Lol. And Nastya's PCS should be high (she was underscored in the past for that) when she performs. She didn't today. Her skating skills are still some of the best of the bunch but she was slower today and her performance was just not there. I do hope she comes back in the FS but to argue that Nastya was better than Seoyeon today when she had a fall, no combo and no performance whatsoever and Seoyeon skated cleanly, is just... I mean... come on.

A clear forward landing on the toe.
https://imgur.com/a/GaIq4CJ
What are you lol-ing about? -3-4 goe for a flutz + -3-4 goe for a downgraded jump is an ISU regulation: https://www.isu.org/figure-skating/...y-and-guidelines-for-marking-goe-2019-20/file
I think Nastia's overall quality was better.

 

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idk scores were super inflated here (probably to allow biggest scores for Alysa with a lenient panel), the korean who had 39 points on TES had like zero transitions going into the elements, and rather weak skating skills. (same for Alysa imo)

You can say a lot about Alysa but not that she's got a lack of transitions. Her skating skills, though, clearly need work, she's also very slow compared to the other skaters.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

I think 1st one (Seoyeon JI) got an edge call and downgraded jump overlooked, and the other one(Yeonjeong PARK) got again an edge call and an underrotation overlooked.
+ the fact that pcs for both were almost identical with Nastia (even with a fall) was quite surprising

Even if we keep PCS the way they were awarded and deduct simply that edge call and << for Seoyeon JI, she would already get 58.56 by my estimates. (3Lze+3T<<: bv reduction and goe -4 on that combo).
For PARK I would've again deducted at least for ! (or more like e, but okay, the camera angle wasn't good) and < on the 3toe, which would've dropped her score to 59.84 keeping everything else the same.

Needless to say, I think Nastia's pcs should've been way higher.

Seoyeon’s 3T was absolutely not << come on

 

[Tolstoj]

You can say a lot about Alysa but not that she's got a lack of transitions. Her skating skills, though, clearly need work, she's also very slow compared to the other skaters.

yeah i was talking about the korean.

For Alysa i'd point out the two foot skating, lack of flow and speed especially in and out of the jumps and sometimes underrations (you'll see 2-3 in the free with the quad lutz and the two axels)

She deserved to win the SP here, just scores were a bit inflated in general. I don't think we can discuss competitions in detail here though.

 

[Alextrusova]

Who of Russians have chance to
Make GPF now? Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva. Who else? What a disaster! Can Sinitsyna be snuck in somewhere else?

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

They missed some URs today yes. This is becoming more common. Awful panel at worlds for instance, we can not say this is some exclusive thing to this event.

Nastya missed an entire jump.

 

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https://imgur.com/a/GaIq4CJ

And? I can't see that change of edge anywhere because she's already in the middle of the take off, her blade's not even on the ice anymore. Might have used a different picture. As for the UR. Fine, I stand corrected, call it as UR. (but never downgraded lol) She was still better than Nastya. Nastya had a fall and she somehow had that much of a delayed rotation that her 3Lz looked UR as well. So no way Nastya was going to beat Seoyeon today. Just none. I don't get how you could possibly argue that and I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. And please note that I was one of those who defended Nastya in the competition threads. But this is getting ridiculous. Let's just hope she can come back tomorrow.

 

[nussnacker]

Seoyeon’s 3T was absolutely not << come on

The moment her toe hit the ice tells me it was https://imgur.com/hAVW3rp

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Who of Russians have chance to
Make GPF now? Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva. Who else? What a disaster! Can Sinitsyna be snuck in somewhere else?

Sinitsyna currently has the spot for the JGP in Russia and Gdansk. If she skates clean both times she should have a shot. She could get gold in Gdansk and silver in Russia.

 

[nussnacker]

And? I can't see that change of edge anywhere because she's already in the middle of the take off, her blade's not even on the ice anymore. Might have used a different picture. As for the UR. Fine, I stand corrected, call it as UR. She was still better than Nastya. Nastya had a fall and she somehow had that much of a delayed rotation that her 3Lz looked UR as well. So no way Nastya was going to beat Seoyeon today. Just none. I don't get how you could possibly argue that and I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. And please note that I was one of those who defended Nastya in the competition threads. But this is getting ridiculous. Let's just hope she can come back tomorrow.

You should try and rewatch the slow mo they did If you won't see a change of edge there, then I guess there's nothing I can do

 

[Fluture]

Who of Russians have chance to
Make GPF now? Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva. Who else? What a disaster! Can Sinitsyna be snuck in somewhere else?

Valieva, Usacheva and Kanysheva seem like strong picks for the final. Sinitsyna as well, I think she will still get two assignments. It's not over for Nastya yet, she can still come back in the FS somehow. It's hard but not impossible. And I wouldn't call it a disaster. Yes, maybe it's not going to be a final with 5 Russians and one other girl but maybe a final with only 4 Russians. That's no drama, there's only 3 spots on the podium anyway.

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

The moment her toe hit the ice tells me it was https://imgur.com/hAVW3rp

That’s at a quarter, < but not <<

 

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You should try and rewatch the slow mo they did If you won't see a change of edge there, then I guess there's nothing I can do

I was talking about your picture. As for the change of edge - you do realise how rarely that's called in JGPs right? Not saying that it's right (it quite obviously isn't) but that's the way it is. And what you're doing here is arguing that Nastya was somehow better than Seoyeon. Yeah, I don't see that. Might as well admit that she wasn't good today because she wasn't. Doesn't mean she can't come back but some things are obvious. And if you don't see that, I can't help you either.

 

[Scott512]

Alina Zagitova's personal memorial to Lyudmila Shalashova: https://www.instagram.com/p/B1zJDdCn6k3

" A very difficult day for me and our entire team. Lyudmila Borisovna Shalashova, our choreographer, teacher-mentor, mother of @daniil_gleikhengauz, left this life.
In the past, she was a ballet dancer of the Bolshoi Theater, Lyudmila Borisovna always taught me how to get used to the image and correctly convey it through choreography. Together we watched opera and ballet, while learning new images, she shared her invaluable experience. In the Olympic season, she provided me with incredible support! Lyudmila Borisovna personified the art of Ballet. THANKS A LOT! You will always live in my heart ❤ and in my programs "

Amazing words by Alina about Lyudmila. Alina is so sensitive yet pretty tough too. She has become quite a leader as well.

 

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yeah i was talking about the korean.

For Alysa i'd point out the two foot skating, lack of flow and speed especially in and out of the jumps and sometimes underrations (you'll see 2-3 in the free with the quad lutz and the two axels)

She deserved to win the SP here, just scores were a bit inflated in general. I don't think we can discuss competitions in detail here though.

I agree about Alysa. She deserved to win today but obviously she's got lots of areas to work on. Especially if she'll go against Kamila her lack of speed and flow will be painfully obvious because that's, imo, one of Kamila's greatest strengths. She's fast and light across the ice. As for the URs, yeah, I think it's known already that Alysa more often than not severely underrotates her quad lutz. Her 3A's clean sometimes and sometimes not. Let's see what she'll do in the FS.