2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[TallyT]

I'm disappointed in Nastya's team for her fp. It just doesn't suit her at all, she is a musical skater (watch her fp last year), but she's just skating through the music instead of to the music.

I didn't like it at all (and the costume was hideous) but to be fair, it needs to be seen when she isn't under what must have been horrible tension today, having had a bad short and facing being the only Russian contender there and off the podium - she quite possibly was just so utterly focused on cleancleancleancleanpointspointspointspoints that she couldn't even think of performance or enjoyment.

 

[karina17]

I think Nastya was robbed more on TES than PCS. Level scoring was weird today. And looking at their 3Lz-3T combos, I see no reason why Nastya and Alysa should have the same GOE on those, but here we are.

I might not entirely agree with Nastya's PCS, but it is justifiable. Her program just doesn't suit her at all, she doesn't connect to the music whatsoever, and this is beside the point but her dress was not helping.

 

[Tolstoj]

I think Nastya was robbed more on TES than PCS. Level scoring was weird today. And looking at their 3Lz-3T combos, I see no reason why Nastya and Alysa should have the same GOE on those, but here we are.

Nastya's PCS is justifiable. Her program just doesn't suit her at all, she doesn't connect to the music whatsoever, and this is beside the point but her dress was not helping.

Oh yeah that's a complaint i brought up since Nationals.

Alysa's lutz-toe is never a +3 done that way for various reasons: flow, speed, transitions, height, distance. It's a lot like Satoko Miyahara's 3ltz-3t with less speed but a better lutz.

 

[colormyworld240]

It's crazy that everyone, including myself, thought it was unfair for Anastasia to have the toughest assignment against Alysa in the US, but actually if she scored this at Courchevel, she wouldn't have even medalled.

 

[nussnacker]

It's crazy that everyone, including myself, thought it was unfair for Anastasia to have the toughest assignment against Alysa in the US, but actually if she scored this at Courchevel, she wouldn't have even medalled.

she would've probably scored higher at Courchevel

 

[Aliceendupnowhere]

It seemed that the panel trying their best to downgrade the russian girl and give the high score as much as possible for the only hope of the us because they're in there

 

[ec00834]

It seemed that the panel trying their best to downgrade the russian girl and give the high score as much as possible for the only hope of the us because they're in there

Totally agree. It's sad Alysa's tiny UR quad with no flow is given such high GOE compared to Kamila's huge effortless quad.

 

[Payako]

Any news about Tarusina?Khromych Tarakanova both messed up.At this point if the injury is not severe I believe she could get another assignment

 

[Vlad Karigov]

It is absurd to compare Valieva with the American, Valieva with fair judges in the PCS wins him by more than 10 points. That's the difference of both in PCS

 

[Totentanz]

JGP assignments has been changed quite a bit.
JGP Riga for Kanysheva and Usacheva
JGP Russia for Valieva, Sinitsyna and Vasilieva
JGP Poland for Khromykh and Tarakanova
JGP Croatia for Frolova and Usacheva
JGP Egna ???

I guess if the Russian ladies goes 1-2 in the following two weeks, at least one of Khromykh-Tarakanova will be replaced.

This season will be all about Kamila vs Alysa. Rest of the junior ladies field can't even come close to them if Kamila and Alysa skate at least clean-ish. I'm not a fan of either one but both are amazing skaters, although I find Alysa more expressive as of now. Alysa has the joy in her skating that Kamila seems to lack because she's so focused and sometimes looks stressed.

When it comes to my personal favorites among Russian junior ladies, they are Sinitsyna and Kanysheva. They were good skaters last season but both has made quite improvements in presentation. Fingers crossed for these two to skate clean programs then I'm sure they will get no less than silver medal.

It's also great that Frolova seems to get a chance to compete, too. She is a solid skater with some nice qualities. Let the maximum of talented skaters have a chance to compete this season as an investment for the next season.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

In terms of PCS, yes Valieva has almost everyone, excluding Sinitsyna (IMO) beat, including Alysa. Alysa’s SP hides her weaknesses rather well, but in the FS they become much more apparent. The lack of flow between elements and the slowness of her jump entrances are easily seen when you have so many elements and jumps. Her smiley and bright face fits the upbeat SP music, and she actually does very good with the music in the SP, and, in contrast to my expectations, she doesn’t get engulfed by the loudness of the vocals. However, it is the elegance and calmness of the FS StSq that shows that Alysa is not ready yet to skate to music of this style. Her face is blank in the StSq, and in most of the program. However, fortunately for her, the majority of juniors are like this, Usacheva, sometimes Valieva and Tarakanova, three very good skaters in terms of PCS struggle with blank faces. That has time to grow, but as of right now, Alysa’s PCS should be behind Valieva, Usacheva, Kanysheva, Sinitsyna, Vasilieva and Tarakanova (at her best). I cannot judge Khromykh yet as her FS at Courchevel is not exactly her best.

 

[Happy Skates]

JGP assignments has been changed quite a bit.
JGP Riga for Kanysheva and Usacheva
JGP Russia for Valieva, Sinitsyna and Vasilieva
JGP Poland for Khromykh and Tarakanova
JGP Croatia for Frolova and Usacheva
JGP Egna ???

I guess if the Russian ladies goes 1-2 in the following two weeks, at least one of Khromykh-Tarakanova will be replaced.

Hmm but who would replace them? With this layout, all of the top girls except Sinitsina, Kanysheva and Vasilieva have been given two, but two of them can be given the last JGP. And one of the three girls competing at Chelyabinsk will have to get third or lower anyways. I guess they could put Tarusina in, but her being subbed out of Chelyabinsk might have something to do with that injury. I think this year the "3rd place and you're out" rule might not quite be in effect due to the results we've already seen.

 

[flanker]

JGP assignments has been changed quite a bit.
JGP Riga for Kanysheva and Usacheva
JGP Russia for Valieva, Sinitsyna and Vasilieva
JGP Poland for Khromykh and Tarakanova
JGP Croatia for Frolova and Usacheva
JGP Egna ???

At this point JGP Egna will probably be assigned by two of those: Sinitsina, Vasilieva, Frolova, according to their results. At JGP Poland there can be chnage of one of the girls for Tarusina (and in that case she would be fourth contender fot Egna assignment), but that depends on her health and the trust from rusfed.

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Apart from any considerations about JGP entries, congrats to nastya for her gained bronze medal, she had 6 points deficit after SP but managed to deliver a clean skate (with some arguable evaluations from the tech panel and the judges).:agree:

 

[Happy Skates]

A nice update of our 4A I wonder what they are filming for 1tv! 1tv really is serving us all the content this year.

 

[Happy Skates]

At this point JGP Egna will probably be assigned by two of those: Sinitsina, Vasilieva, Frolova, according to their results. At JGP Poland there can be chnage of one of the girls for Tarusina (and in that case she would be fourth contender fot Egna assignment), but that depends on her health and the trust from rusfed.

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Apart from any considerations about JGP entries, congrats to nastya for her gained bronze medal, she had 6 points deficit after SP but managed to deliver a clean skate (with some arguable evaluations from the tech panel and the judges).:agree:

Don't forget Kanysheva, she wouldn't have two yet under this configuration.

Although I'm confused, I am looking on the isu site and I see none of these changes yet.

 

[Totentanz]

Don't forget Kanysheva, she wouldn't have two yet under this configuration.

Although I'm confused, I am looking on the isu site and I see none of these changes yet.

I've noticed these changes while I was looking at the standings page:
http://www.isuresults.com/events/jgp2019/jgpsladies.htm

 

[Fluture]

It kind of makes me sad that Kanysheva will probably have no way whatsoever to compete with Kamila and Alysa unless they make mistakes. I know she doesn’t have the quad (yet) but I feel like she’s the better skater in terms of skating skills, artistry and jump technique. I hope she manages to win either gold or silver next week at least so that they give her a second event and she can make the final.

 

[Happy Skates]

It kind of makes me sad that Kanysheva will probably have no way whatsoever to compete with Kamila and Alysa unless they make mistakes. I know she doesn’t have the quad (yet) but I feel like she’s the better skater in terms of skating skills, artistry and jump technique. I hope she manages to win either gold or silver next week at least so that they give her a second event and she can make the final.

I think we need to see how she scores this season before we can make any judgements. If I had to compare this trio to the 3A, I'd say Valieva is similar to Shcherbakova, Liu to Trusova, and Alena to Alena (these aren't exact comparisons I don't mean to start an argument about this haha), and we all saw that any of them could win on a given day. But of course this season other girls like Usacheva, Tarakanova and Sinitsyna could fill that "Kostornaia" role of being artistic with good jumps but no quad. But either way, falls happen, and the podium has three spots!

 

[Vilord]

From how it looks now I would assume that Kanysheva and Sinistyna will be put up for Egna (at least for the first draft) and changes will be made accordingly if someone suprises us either positively or negatively.

 

[Fluture]

I think we need to see how she scores this season before we can make any judgements. If I had to compare this trio to the 3A, I'd say Valieva is similar to Shcherbakova, Liu to Trusova, and Alena to Alena (these aren't exact comparisons I don't mean to start an argument about this haha), and we all saw that any of them could win on a given day. But of course this season other girls like Usacheva, Tarakanova and Sinitsyna could fill that "Kostornaia" role of being artistic with good jumps but no quad. But either way, falls happen, and the podium has three spots!

Of course, everything can happen, that‘s why I said Alena will probably only be able to compete with them if they make mistakes. (if they do she can use that chance like she did last year when she medaled at the JGPF even though like 90% had her last in their predictions) As well as Kostornaya skated all last season - that‘s how she won the JGPF. And she was a rare case as well, her PCS were (deservedly so) extremely high for a junior and I doubt this is going to happen any time soon and especially not to Kanysheva who I find to be really talented but still not quite there yet where Kostornaya was. She has improved but she still needs another year or so. We will have to see what the scores are like for Kanysheva next week, assuming she skates reasonably well. But based on what we‘ve seen so far in these two weeks it really looks as if the main ”narrative“ and rivalry was between Kamila and Alysa this year. Which is fine, they have the most difficult jumps and stuff like that. But I wouldn‘t say they‘re THAT much in a class of their own like their scores suggest. But let‘s wait and see how they judge Alena next week. Up to now most haven’t performed up their full potential anyway (iincluding Kamila and Alysa) so yes, scores are likely going to change quickly overall. The main thing is that Alena makes the final in the first place, so I‘m going to hope for that first, I guess! She certainly does have good chances.