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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

I wanted to wait a bit to see which of the Russian ladies would likely make the world team before I looked into tickets (Montreal is only 2 hours from me). But I just looked at prices and the cheapest for the day of the ladies' free skate is $230 and it's quite far from the rink! I didn't realize FS tickets were so expensive. I really want to see the Russian ladies skate, but wow it's a lot...
 
Happy Skates said:
I'm sure thats the plan. If they have that thinking with Kamila and Aliona, they'll use the same thinking with Anna. That -5 + << + REP that both her and Sasha got (iirc?) at JGPF 2018 really did not do the program well. Plus, starting with two huge falls is not good for the program; It will take away PCS for sure and make her tired for the rest of the routine. That being said, I still think its a better idea to do just one quad lutz, even if she lands the first one. I think she'll win with just one (or at very least be top 2), so I don't think its worth the risk. Plus, while the first quad lutz replaces a 2T making it worth it even if she falls, the second one replaces a triple flip, making it definitely not worth it if she falls. And from what I've seen of this practice, she's been landing the first one and then crashing the second one. If she wants to win/place at the GPF or make the top three at RusNats to make the Worlds team, then the two quad layout might be worth the risk (its probably necessary if she wants to have a good chance of winning GPF or Worlds), but here I don't see any benefits to attempting two. Maybe they want to make sure she beats Liza, but I think her priorities here should be making the GPF, for which she would want to just have a top two placement (a third place would make it really important that she wins CoC). And one quad lutz will definitely get her that. Although I guess one quad lutz + one quad lutz fall could still get her a top two placement anyways.
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My guess is that their priority is to stabilize the hardest possible layout for rusnats.
Remember Sasha's first season with quads, where she kept crashing and URing until she got it. And it paid off.

GPF is underrated - it matters not if you dont make GPF, if you are a senior top 2 at rusnats.
 
colormyworld240 said:
I wanted to wait a bit to see which of the Russian ladies would likely make the world team before I looked into tickets (Montreal is only 2 hours from me). But I just looked at prices and the cheapest for the day of the ladies' free skate is $230 and it's quite far from the rink! I didn't realize FS tickets were so expensive. I really want to see the Russian ladies skate, but wow it's a lot...
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That's a shock, I'd have thought something more like 23.00. The way to kill off a sport in the long term. The very best way of keeping a sport healthy in the long term is to enchant the little children. Pay attention to the grassroots. One sure way of doing that is to keep the prices low, even to throw open the doors if sales are low. I despair (for the long term) at those mostly-empty stands at many of the big matches.
 
vesperalvioletta said:
Seems like an unnecessary risk to me. If she succeeds with both it will be amazing to see, but I figured they would have learned from JGPF last year.
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SkateSkates said:
I wonder if she will have the same strategy as Kamila and Aliona this year - if you land the 1st with a combo, go for the 2nd. If not, backup plan.
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I'm not sure, but a solo 4Lz is essentially replacing a 2T... so it's pretty much worth doing no matter what. But a 2nd 4Lz has to replace a repeated triple(I guess 3F) so it is more of a risk. It would be really smart to not do the 2nd quad if the first one is flubbed because if you miss that one too then you can only do 6 triples.

If she was able to do a different quad that would be replacing a 2A which would probably be trying doing even with a fall. I have hope she isn't doing 4T because of her old leg injury yet will be able to do one by the Olympic season.
 
nussnacker said:
Liza went back to 3T-3T... Ironically, in the video released just a few days ago, she was saying how 3T-3T combo won't fare in the new season anymore..
I wonder why they don't go for Lz-T and solo flip?
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I don't know anything, but in that video that was released a few days ago, you can see that she was practising 3Lz3T and then that backbend into 3F for her short program. Assuming that was filmed during the summer, there has to be a reason why they changed it if that was what she was originally practising.
 
Jontor said:
Wow! You go Leonova!:yahoo: If she skates like this I really hope she does well at Russian Cup Group Stages and qualifies to Nationals. RusNats wouldn't be the same without Leonova.
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It is nice to hear that Leonova is still going strong. I would like to add some perspective to this from my own experience. I first started going to Junior Competitions in 2007 and attended Junior Worlds in the spring and three Junior Grand Prix events in the fall. Alena competed in junior worlds and I remember another fan telling me that she should have placed higher because she had a triple-triple and none of the winners and skaters that placed higher than her did.

In the fall of 2007 I went to the Junior Grand Prix in Sheffield, England, and I found an interesting item when I was going through some old papers I kept from that competition. Among the junior men competing (none of which I remembered from that competition) were Ruben Blommaert and Javier Fernandez. But of most interest for this thread is that Daniil Gleichengauz was leading after the short program. Unfortunately he scored lower in the long and finished 5th overall.
 
Orlov said:
cuz she can't do flip with the right edge?
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It is really strange. Until in Finlandia, Liza Tuks has never received an edge call. While the 3F is probably her weakest jump, the edge call has never been an issue, since she typically jumped that as a solo element and not in combo. I think she is having trouble doing it in combo. Overall, I do notice that Liza Tuks is relatively weaker in the jumps that take off an inside edge like the Flip and Salchow.
 
Does anyone know how many entries the host nation can have in a Challenger Series Event? There seems to be no limit - Belarus have five entries at Ice Star this weekend.

What if Russia can get a Challenger Event? And send 10 Ladies??
 
SkateSkates said:
I wonder if she will have the same strategy as Kamila and Aliona this year - if you land the 1st with a combo, go for the 2nd. If not, backup plan.
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I'm sure that's the plan. I was surprised at how consistent she was in the practice with her 4lz. I'd say 67%? Liza was landing 3a's left and right. She means business.
 
About sherbakova repeating her 4Lz. I think that if the only goal was to win SA its an unessesary risk (for reasons allready stated in this thread). However my guess is that the long term goal is to fight for a top 3 finish at RusNats and for that I think she might need the two quads. If I where to rank them at present it would be:
Sasha (Four quads...)
Alena (3A and high PCS and GOE)
Alina (High PCS and GOE and maxed tripples layout)
Anna (4Lz weaker GOE and PCS compared to Alena and Alina)
Elisaveta (3A but weaker Spins StSq and PCS)
Evgenia (High PCS but no special elements or maxed jump layout)

I think that if Anna land her 2nd 4Lz she should pass Alena and join the rest of the 3A on the podium. (Assuming everyone skates to the level weve seen thus far)
 
Leonova won that Sankt Petersburg event!! I really really hope she gets a spot at the last Challenger.

I only saw the last three which was Nugumanova, Gulyakova, Leonova

1. Alena Leonova 195.96
2. Anastasia Gulyakova 187.20
3. Elizaveta Nugumanova 186.28
4. ??? (someone know this girl?) 178.13
5. Maria Talalaykina 178.13

# of URs: Leonova 2, Gulyakova 4, Nugumanova 5 (!)
 
Jontor said:
Leonova won that Sankt Petersburg event!! I really really hope she gets a spot at the last Challenger.

I only saw the last three which was Nugumanova, Gulyakova, Leonova

1. Alena Leonova 195.96
2. Anastasia Gulyakova 187.20
3. Elizaveta Nugumanova 186.28
4. ??? (someone know this girl?) 178.13
5. Maria Talalaykina 178.13

# of URs: Leonova 2, Gulyakova 4, Nugumanova 5 (!)
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4. Stanislava Molchanova, from Krasnodar region, best TES by the way - 65.47
 
Globetrotter said:
It is really strange. Until in Finlandia, Liza Tuks has never received an edge call. While the 3F is probably her weakest jump, the edge call has never been an issue, since she typically jumped that as a solo element and not in combo. I think she is having trouble doing it in combo. Overall, I do notice that Liza Tuks is relatively weaker in the jumps that take off an inside edge like the Flip and Salchow.
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i think its the entry, usually she does classic 3 turn and that is known to lessen chance for change of edge to outside when doing a flip. I also notice her 3A losing some height. Now compared to her 2015 WC, and even last season you can see it got more distance instead of height and that make her landing not as effortless sometimes. Aside from that kudos to her, getting back difficult 3-3s and 3As at this age
 
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