I agree that I doubt she gets left out of Europeans/Worlds and honestly I think Trusova/Kostornaia/Shcherbakova all pretty much booked their spot on the team for Europeans/Worlds but 'their best hope'? I would put that as Kostornaia is actually their best hope because she's got the high PCS and she's not throwing as risky of elements as Shcherbakova/Trusova are even thought they've mostly landed those jumps.
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I agree that I doubt she gets left out of Europeans/Worlds and honestly I think Trusova/Kostornaia/Shcherbakova all pretty much booked their spot on the team for Europeans/Worlds but 'their best hope'? I would put that as Kostornaia is actually their best hope because she's got the high PCS and she's not throwing as risky of elements as Shcherbakova/Trusova are even thought they've mostly landed those jumps.
Well, if she bombs at nationals and falls/pops on too many of her quads - yes I think they will
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Well, there is the Kihira threat (she has a 4S and three 3As). She can go toe-to-toe with Kostornaia.
The only one who would always beat Kihira with a clean skate is Sasha. That is why she’s the best hope. Since she wouldn’t lose if she performs her best.
You are comparing apples with oranges. That jump for Anna was her 2A which is her easiest jump.
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The most quads sasha has ever landed clean in an ISU competition is 3. she should drop the 4S. Shell probably get higher scores with 4 clean quads than 5 messy ones
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A bad skate can happen to anyone. They would never leave her out of Worlds given her credentials this season and also her scoring ability/potential. She can score 270 points with clean programs. There is nobody else who can touch that.
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She said she lands 5 quads FS in practices, I’m sure it will take time to get it all together, but I have a feeling she’ll keep doing it until her quads will start feeling like triples to her.
Also, just like Mathman, I see her upgrading 2A to 3A in her free as well, probably next season.
Yes she can score 270, but she hasn't yet, because she has never been clean...and that's the problem.
I actually think Anna has more score potential. Today, if we compare them, Anna fell on her 4F and Sasha on her 4T, let's say that's even. Then if Sasha had nailed her 4S and Anna didn't have that UR on the 4Lz, it still wouldn't have been enough to catch Anna's score. And let's not forget that Sasha was 14 points behind Alena here. That's a lot compared to a skater who doesn't even have a quad.
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Sasha lost roughly 20 points on those two mistakes (being conservative).That’s also not counting the PCS drop that resulted from those two mistakes.
I think she would have won the gold if she skated clean, even if Anna had also performed clean.
I have to disagree. Anna lost more on that 4F than Sasha on her 4T. But if Sasha had landed her 3A in the short it's a different story, then yes she would have beaten Anna.
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You’re forgetting that Sasha under rotated on the 4T when she fell...so it wasn’t even a true quad attempt. Her PCS would also probably be around 4 points higher with a fully clean skate.
I’m not saying Sasha would have easily won with a clean FS. It would have been close.
I admire so much Alexandra and Anna as athletes, the fact they went there attempting programs that were so difficult technically.
That said maybe not the best strategy: you sort of knew the judging rewarded more clean programs and PCS were scored more appropriately, i think both Sasha and Anna just needed to skate clean even with the usual layout.
I feel a little sorry for them cause the quality of some of those quads was amazing, the second quad lutz from Anna is set from an insane speed.
That said maybe not the best strategy: you sort of knew the judging rewarded more clean programs and PCS were scored more appropriately, i think both Sasha and Anna just needed to skate clean even with the usual layout.
I feel a little sorry for them cause the quality of some of those quads was amazing, the second quad lutz from Anna is set from an insane speed.
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Sasha is still the one to beat. She has 5 quads and a 3A planned. You cannot compete with that if she lands it. Now, it‘s that question of the if but I have no doubt she‘ll do it this season. There‘s a 0% chance she‘ll miss the Worlds/Euros team. I mean... come on.
Anna has given herself a better shot with that 4F. If she lands it, she could very well come close and get some high scores. But even with higher components (deservedly!), if Sasha lands her planned layout, it‘s game over. And it will be game over for everybody.
Anna has given herself a better shot with that 4F. If she lands it, she could very well come close and get some high scores. But even with higher components (deservedly!), if Sasha lands her planned layout, it‘s game over. And it will be game over for everybody.
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Good thing she has programs then xD
Well prior to the GPF after Elizaveta whipped out the 4T there was talk that the quad in addition to being able to do the triple axel in the SP that it put Shcherbakova in a risky spot. I think with the 4F Anna has secured that even if Elizaveta does the 4T that Shcherbakova would out-score her.
Ok let's do the math:
Anna - lost about 7,5 points on her 4F, and 5,2 points on her 4Lz - that's 12,7 points
Sasha - lost about 7,5 points on her 4T and 11,0 points on her 4S - that's 18,5 points
So Sasha would have gained 5,8 points on Anna if they both were clean and that wouldn't have been enough.
And also Anna's PCS would also have been better so we can't really compare that
True, and the fatigue level is affecting her. The best I’ve seen her this year was at Russian test skates: three beautiful quads and energy to spare.
True. Anna has after today (with a fall on that 4F) a score of 240. Liza has after Golden Spin 221, with a 4T she can prob get 230. So Anna is still ahead.
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I don’t agree with this. I’ll give you the 4S, but 4T? 10.45 (with a 10% bonus) + 3 GOE would have given her about 13.5 points for a clean 4T. She only got credited with 3.56 points on her underrotated 4T once you factor the negative GOE plus the mandatory one point deduction for the fall. That’s a 10 point difference.
Sasha lost around 21 points for those two mistakes - definitely enough to win the gold, even if we are to ignore PCS, which would have surely increased by a lot with a clean skate.
