2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Tolstoj]

Alyona Kanysheva is already training in Avangard (together with Liza Khudaiberdyeva)
https://mobile.twitter.com/i/status/1223212727050686466

Good luck to her in ice dancing!

She has great skating skills, so she could find success there.

That said i can't say i'm fan of all those early retirements from singles, Kanysheva was a very strong with Panova.

I can't help but think that she would still compete in singles if she didn't join Sambo-70. The only groups where you hear about early retirements of single skaters at this very top level are Sambo-70 and CSKA.

Anyway good luck to her new career in Ice Dance!.

 

[nussnacker]

She has great skating skills, so she could find success there.

That said i can't say i'm fan of all those early retirements from singles, Kanysheva was a very strong with Panova.

I can't help but think that she would still compete in singles if she didn't join Sambo-70. The only groups where you hear about early retirements of single skaters at this very top level are Sambo-70 and CSKA.

Anyway good luck to her new career in Ice Dance!.

Alisa Lozko, retired in Mishin‘s camp, says hi.

 

[Tolstoj]

Nastia Lozko, retired in Mishin‘s camp, says hi.

Nope she actually switched to Alina Pisarenko and then tried Ice Dance.

Not only that but i remember being rejected from Mishin's group after her failed attempt to switch to Sambo-70 mid-season.

Plus i loved her but with that jumping technique she wasn't going anywhere, i remember her protocols at Junior grand prix competitions, with carrots everywhere.

While Alyona Kanysheva was actually bronze medalist at JGPF last year, she had good SB for junior level, and Panova has always treated her as the most talented skater from their group, you can read that in interviews.

 

[nussnacker]

Nope she actually switched to Alina Pisarenko and then tried Ice Dance.

Not only that but i remember being rejected from Mishin's group after her failed attempt to switch to Sambo-70 mid-season.

Plus i loved her but with that jumping technique she wasn't going anywhere, i remember her protocols at Junior grand prix competitions, with carrots everywhere.

While Alyona Kanysheva was actually bronze medalist at JGPF last year, she had good SB for junior level, and Panova has always treated her as the most talented skater from their group, you can read that in interviews.

Star ice is Mishin‘s school, you know that right? Pisarenko is just one of the Coaches in that school.
https://star-ice.spb.ru/trainers

So if we’re rounding up all CSKA and Sambo-70 coaches into one thing (although, quite a lot of time these coaches have not much to do with each other), might as well count how many skaters retired from Star Ice, aka Mishin’s school, no?

And with regards to ice dance, they just wanted to „try“ it in secret, because it wasn’t that serious, yet, somehow the info leaked and that essentially was the end of her career.

 

[Tolstoj]

Star ice is Mishin‘s school, you know that right? Pisarenko is just one of the Coaches in that school.
https://star-ice.spb.ru/trainers

So if we’re rounding up all CSKA and Sambo-70 coaches into one thing (although, quite a lot of time these coaches have not much to do with each other), might as well count how many skaters retired from Star Ice, aka Mishin’s school, no?

And with regards to ice dance, they just wanted to „try“ it in secret, because it wasn’t that serious, yet, somehow the info leaked and that essentially was the end of her career.

Yeah but still she was forced to leave after that attempted switch to Sambo-70 Mishin didn't like. That's when he started to trash talk her to other coaches, and where it all fell apart.

Not that i approve what he did, but she made a mistake there, and i don't think her career would have lasted long anyway with that technique. I remember with Pisarenko them trying to make the 3f-3t clean and never quite succeeding at that.

To me you're comparing apples with oranges. There are dozens of not so talented skaters giving up with FS early on, it happens all the time.

I was talking top level meaning skaters who qualified for JGPF, went to JW, people who had real chances to have an impact on seniors too. Kanysheva had a realistic chance to win medals in seniors.

Seeing skaters so talented retiring so early is honestly nothing but a waste, it makes me more and more convinced that if Medvedeva or Lipnitskaya was like 5-6 years younger, she wouldn't be accepted at Sambo-70 now or forced to retire too, cause the barrier is soo high compared to what it used to be 5-7 years ago.

 

[brakes]

No, it has not. My source is the official document published on the website of the Russian Figure Skating Federation.

Would you care to provide a link please?

 

[nussnacker]

Yeah but still she was forced to leave after that attempted switch to Sambo-70 Mishin didn't like. That's when he started to trash talk her to other coaches, and where it all fell apart.

Not that i approve what he did, but she made a mistake there, and i don't think her career would have lasted long anyway with that technique. I remember with Pisarenko them trying to make the 3f-3t clean and never quite succeeding at that.

Anyway I was talking top level meaning skaters who qualified for JGPF, went to JW, people who had real chances to have an impact on seniors too. Kanysheva had a realistic chance to win medals in seniors too.

Wow, that’s dismissive.
You don’t think her career would’ve lasted long anyways? How would you know that?
You make it sound like, „Well, she would’ve retired at 15-16 anyways, so what’s the big deal?“
You don’t know that, and how her career could’ve gone largely was a result of her coaching situation, involving Mishin.
Her technique was alright, certainly not worse that Sofia’s technique.

She said that with Tutberidze she finally was starting to get her -3T combos done, that’s of course before she got pulled back, just to be dismissed immediately.

She medaled at jgps, and that does sound like a promising talent to me.
I’m sure things could’ve been different for her, she was a very talented spinner, not any less of a talented jumper.

 

[Mawwerg]

Nastia Lozko, retired in Mishin‘s camp, says hi.

Alisa.

 

[nussnacker]

Alisa.

Thanks, I was thinking about Gubanova, and her name stuck when thinking about Lozko.

 

[silverfoxes]

And what about the other Alisa...Fedichkina?

Look, there are simply too many skaters for assignments in Russia. Of course some are going to decide it’s not worth fighting for table scraps any more and putting their body through all of that. There is a lot more to life than this sport. And even when the very best skaters do stick around, someone is always trying to retire them by saying they have no more chances, make way for the new, etc. You can’t win.

 

[brakes]

And what about the other Alisa...Fedichkina?

She's now a coach and a successful one!
https://www.instagram.com/p/B70FurRCOw4/

 

[McBibus]

I am a fan of the 3A, I went to the Europans and brought plushies for all of them

You gifted little Plushenkos to the 3A?! :eeking:

Nice of you but Eteri will problably tear them apart!! :dev2:



.... Ok silly... but I could not resist

 

[Fluture]

You gifted little Plushenkos to the 3A?! :eeking:

Nice of you but Eteri will problably tear them apart!! :dev2:

Yes, I thought it would have a special charm and would not be creepy at all. Who throws stuffed animals when they can throw Plushenkos? :dev2:

 

[Fluture]

This thread on Twitter I stumbled across compared Zhenya and Alina pictures to Rittersport chocolate. I have to say I found it funny somehow.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Sekki54105846/status/1222515076294418435

Which one‘s your favorite? Mine is Dark Chocolate with 50% Cocoa so Zhenya‘s Anna Karenina.

 

[Tolstoj]

Wow, that’s dismissive.
You don’t think her career would’ve lasted long anyways? How would you know that?
You make it sound like, „Well, she would’ve retired at 15-16 anyways, so what’s the big deal?“
You don’t know that, and how her career could’ve gone largely was a result of her coaching situation, involving Mishin.
Her technique was alright, certainly not worse that Sofia’s technique.

She said that with Tutberidze she finally was starting to get her -3T combos done, that’s of course before she got pulled back, just to be dismissed immediately.

She medaled at jgps, and that does sound like a promising talent to me.
I’m sure things could’ve been different for her, she was a very talented spinner, not any less of a talented jumper.

Note that i said her career would have not lasted long with that technique.

Her technique was indeed worse than Samodurova, you could have spot those underrotations any time.

Judges sent the message loud and clear

https://i.postimg.cc/8CvpS5wW/Cattura.png

and if you actually watch that performance, it wasn't a bomb, she did her job.

If she reworked her technique entirely going for more speed, height and confidence with those jumps, maybe it could have worked. But note that it didn't work with Mishin (a technician, master of teaching jumps) and it didn't work with Pisarenko.

Also if Alisa Lozko was a talented jumper, Alyona Kanysheva is objectively a far more talented jumper, which makes her retirement even more disappointing.

The irony about all this is that you could argue even the skater who did succeed these days didn't have a long career, considering Alina Zagitova retired at the age of 17.

It's all about how you want to see it, for me it does feel like a missed opportunity not being able to compete in seniors once after all those years of work at a very top level, maybe i'm wrong idk.

 

[nussnacker]

Note that i said her career would have not lasted long with that technique.

Her technique was indeed worse than Samodurova, you could have spot those underrotations any time.

Judges sent the message loud and clear

https://i.postimg.cc/8CvpS5wW/Cattura.png

and if you actually watch that performance, it wasn't a bomb, she did her job.

If she reworked her technique entirely going for more speed, height and confidence with those jumps, maybe it could have worked. But note that it didn't work with Mishin (a technician, master of teaching jumps) and it didn't work with Pisarenko.

Also if Alisa Lozko was a talented jumper, Alyona Kanysheva is objectively a far more talented jumper, which makes her retirement even more disappointing.

The irony about all this is that you could argue even the skater who did succeed these days didn't have a long career, considering Alina Zagitova retired at the age of 17.

It's all about how you want to see it, for me it does feel like a missed opportunity not being able to compete in seniors once after all those years of work at a very top level, maybe i'm wrong idk.

Alina has not retired, as far as I know, but I’m sure you have some personal connections with her to know that.
She specifically said, she has no intention to retire, but I guess you’d be twisting whatever you can just to help your argument.
Besides, comparing how Alisa‘s career went, and how Alina’s career went, considering they started off together, at the same age with the same coach, I’m not sure one could say Alina would be jealous of what happened to Alisa‘s career.

Pulling out Alisa‘s unsuccessful performances is a good argument. LOL
Just recently Maria Sotskova got a carrot on every single jump, and not because she’s been taught bad technique that didn’t last.

And where’s the magic technician Mishin, who knows how to fix those things, I should be asking?

But none of those things make any difference and don’t matter, because the discussion is now deviating from its purpose:
not only CSKA and Sambo have skaters retiring, those are two of the biggest schools in Russia, of course they have a larger number of top skaters compared to other schools, and of course the numbers will be skewed simply due to the larger number of top skaters.

Saying they are culprits in anything, and no other school had skaters retire is not only untrue, but also kind of ridiculous.

 

[Alex65]

I have to say I want Sultanmagomedova to make it , just because of her name.

I heard that Ted is going to comment on this tournament. He will not change his mind now?

 

[ruga]

I heard that Ted is going to comment on this tournament. He will not change his mind now?

Sultanmagomedova has a lot of letters but it's made out of two simple words and slavic ending and at least for me it's much easier to pronounce than, say, Khromykh. Anyway, I'm still rooting for her to win the Olympics so the whole word would have to learn to pronounce that

 

[NadezhdaNadya]

Sultanmagomedova has a lot of letters but it's made out of two simple words and slavic ending and at least for me it's much easier to pronounce than, say, Khromykh. Anyway, I'm still rooting for her to win the Olympics so the whole word would have to learn to pronounce that

Agree. Sultan + magomedova. Or even Sultan + mago + medova.
The sultan magician bear?!?

 

[Good Vibes Only]

Alisa Lozko, retired in Mishin‘s camp, says hi.

Polina T, Adelina S, Anna T, Elena R, and Alisa F also say hi :agree: