Is there any chance Nastya went to Anna Tsareva? She did a great job at Sambo 70 with Pogorilaya. <3
She treated Panenkova so bad though, accepting her very late in the season and not travelling at international competitions or Russian Nationals.
Is there any chance Nastya went to Anna Tsareva? She did a great job at Sambo 70 with Pogorilaya. <3
In this case Gubanova's goal was to get a GP spot and she didn't get it so for Buyanova this is mission failed, onto the next one.
The other reason could be that Buyanova gave up entirely with ladies to focus on the men, but i don't believe it.
I noticed a lack of long term planning on that group, except when they raise the skater from novice level like Adelina Sotnikova, Denis Ten, Artur Danielian,... that's when you see the commitment.
Such a contrast to for example Rafael Arutyunyan who has always said "give me 2 years and you'll see the results".
It's a shame cause Elena Vodorezova was coached by Stanislav Zhuk, who was one of the best coaches in the world, you'd think she learnt a lot from him, and she also has Tarasova there who is also incredibly knowledgeable and incredibly successful as coach.
Zhuk was also horribly abusive to his students, sadly. (I believe Gordeeva wrote about this in her book.)
Anyway, as to quality of results - some coaches seem better able to adapt their methods as the sport evolves, and some don't. Eteri has set the standard in terms of what modern ladies' skating is in 2019. Adelina in 2014, Buianova's last successful lady, seems outdated by comparison. And that was only 5 years ago!
It's possible that whatever Buianova learned from Zhuk so long ago just doesn't work well anymore considering how much the sport has changed over the years.
Zhuk was also horribly abusive to his students, sadly. (I believe Gordeeva wrote about this in her book.)
Anyway, as to quality of results - some coaches seem better able to adapt their methods as the sport evolves, and some don't. Eteri has set the standard in terms of what modern ladies' skating is in 2019. Adelina in 2014, Buianova's last successful lady, seems outdated by comparison. And that was only 5 years ago!
It's possible that whatever Buianova learned from Zhuk so long ago just doesn't work well anymore considering how much the sport has changed over the years.
Well maybe it was the other way around? Same with gubanova and tarankanova. Why everyone is jumping to the conclusion it was the coaches wrong doing? We simply dont knowShe treated Panenkova so bad though, accepting her very late in the season and not travelling at international competitions or Russian Nationals.
Though she's not technically a Russian lady anymore, Ekaterina Kurakova got funding from a publicly unnamed donor to pay for her training at the Cricket Club, so I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility.
Well maybe it was the other way around? Same with gubanova and tarankanova. Why everyone is jumping to the conclusion it was the coaches wrong doing? We simply dont know
Why? Because the coaches who are shall I say much much much much much older than these kids acted angrily towards them with their verbiage. It doesn't mean the students were perfect. I'm sure they were at fault as well for things not working out like they could have. But you hear them say only good things about their former coaches yet sadly the former coaches do not show the same class the young girls do. This my friend is not debatable.Well maybe it was the other way around? Same with gubanova and tarankanova. Why everyone is jumping to the conclusion it was the coaches wrong doing? We simply dont know
I think with the right coach, all four of these wonderful girls could've been on the Zhenya and Alina level of the stuff mentioned above...just sad it didn't work out for them. But then again, I wouldn't be too sure who'd be the right coach for them. Sometimes I go a bit crazy and imagine what would've become of Elena, had she trained under Eteri
An Olympic medal. At least.
I agree tbh. IF Lena was not too young for 2014 she would've probably gone and would've medaled, realistically and I think that would've happened under Goncharenko as well. But she was too young, and you can say she had a bit of bad luck with timing in her career. In 2018 I think it's tricky, since imo her season looked really good until russian nationals.(I'm not talking about surpassing either Zhenya or Alina but def Masha, had she skated at Nationals like, for example like CoC) Would she have medaled if she'd gone to the olympics? I honestly can't say. For me it could've realistically been a peak performance for her or an utter dissapointment. The point is though, that we'll ndver know of the past olympics(Maybe 2022 Is Lenas lucky year [emoji6])And when exactly? Elena was too young in 2014 as far as I remember. 2018? Over Alina and Zhenya? I don‘t think so. And I doubt the judges would have let a third Russian reach the podium, besides, as much as I love Elena‘s enthusiasm for her skating, Osmond is much more of the complete package. Let‘s be fair, Eteri is not a magician either. Elena was struggling with puberty and growing. She would have had the same issues with Eteri. Maybe she would have been more successful with her, maybe not. Who knows. But to say that she would have reached an Olympic medal “at least“ is a bit of an exaggeration, imo.
Elena Radionova was/is better skater than Osmand. In my book. So bronze/silver or even gold could had been Lena's up for grabs.And when exactly? Elena was too young in 2014 as far as I remember. 2018? Over Alina and Zhenya? I don‘t think so. And I doubt the judges would have let a third Russian reach the podium, besides, as much as I love Elena‘s enthusiasm for her skating, Osmond is much more of the complete package. Let‘s be fair, Eteri is not a magician either. Elena was struggling with puberty and growing. She would have had the same issues with Eteri. Maybe she would have been more successful with her, maybe not. Who knows. But to say that she would have reached an Olympic medal “at least“ is a bit of an exaggeration, imo.
In this case from the very beginning it looked like Tsareva didn't care, she has never travelled with her, only showed up at a couple of domestic Cup of Russia events.
This was her only skater in senior GP, she had all the reasons in the world to travel with her: i can understand not going to Canada maybe for visa issues, but Finland or Estonia aren't even that far!
I agree tbh. IF Lena was not too young for 2014 she would've probably gone and would've medaled, realistically and I think that would've happened under Goncharenko as well. But she was too young, and you can say she had a bit of bad luck with timing in her career. In 2018 I think it's tricky, since imo her season looked really good until russian nationals.(I'm not talking about surpassing either Zhenya or Alina but def Masha, had she skated at Nationals like, for example like CoC) Would she have medaled if she'd gone to the olympics? I honestly can't say. For me it could've realistically been a peak performance for her or an utter dissapointment. The point is though, that we'll ndver know of the past olympics(Maybe 2022 Is Lenas lucky year [emoji6])
Outside of a personal connection to her or any other skater, why would a Russian millionaire invest with little return for a skater to train outside of Russia? Last check Russia is oozing with talented ladies, fact is the 4 ladies that went to Worlds and Europeans for Russia last year could skate flawlessly and still be watching those competitions as spectators this coming season. Perhaps trying to poach a Russian coach that works out of the country to come home and train skaters to get a wider base of where their skaters come from, but it makes zero sense for someone to risk the negative publicity by paying for a skater to train outside of Russia (see Evgenia Med. as an example)
You were right about all these girls going to Buyanova. Too bad you dont work for the Russian Federation. You could have saved these girls a year of their career.
Nastya never should have left Turenko.
Late in the season? Not too late. Bad timing by Buyanova for sure.
To be fair to coaches, while I'm not sure how it works in Russia but in the US the skater pays the coaches travel for competitions, so if a skater can't afford to pay for the coach to come with them then the coach does not go.
Well for one thing, if that Russian millionaire does any advertising....she is beautiful-I mean drop dead gorgeous-, and could easily do commercial work. E.G. For a sponsor. Who would agree to fund her training. Just a thought.
I'm beginning to think it is Buyanova's fault that Tsurskaya retired...
What do you know about this coach?They say Gubanova and Nugumanova moved to Rukavitsin.
No, it's not. Just read Tsurskaya's interview - she said that she lost interest to fs from early age - and did fs only to please parents. It's impossible for any coach to develope skater with lack of motivation.
As for Gubanova's interview - there are enough contradictive lines to hint that she wasn't sincere about many things or tried to downplay it (at least it's obvious if you read it in Russian). I am even willing to say that highly likely majority of fault for such abrupt parting with coach lies on Gubanova. To be more precise - probably there was serious conflict between them (judging by some of her personal streams - Gubanova has rather.. difficult character) and serious discipline and weight problems.