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You see, what I think Eteri is doing is looking at the system very carefully and finding out every small opportunity to gain extra points. Can you call that exploiting? My non-native tongue would have said yes.
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I am in such awe of all our posters here who post in English when it is not their native tongue:agree:

Do not apologize for using the term "exploiting the system", it is a perfect term, it is not negative, and this native English speaker would not take it as such. I become frustrated when the system rewards moves more than I feel they should be rewarded, but every single coach worth their salt would exploit the system as regards their skaters.:)
 
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I am in such awe of all our posters here who post in English when it is not their native tongue:agree:

Do not apologize for using the term "exploiting the system", it is a perfect term, it is not negative, and this native English speaker would not take it as such. I become frustrated when the system rewards moves more than I feel they should be rewarded, but every single coach worth their salt would exploit the system as regards their skaters.:)

Exploit does have both meanings though.
It can mean "make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)", as much as it can mean "make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand".
So the word does have negative connotation, it depends on how one uses it.
Certainly "work the system" is more neutral-sounding, at least to me.
 
And it has nothing to do with positive or comparative, again, at least in English. So I'm afraid I do not follow:)

Fluture has used the word. It's called sarcasm :agree2:

So, for clarification: I do not know if exploit is the right word, however, I meant it in a way that is not (entirely) negative, in this post it was actually more of the opposite

Not entirely, that puts it into the whole new light :biggrin:

I've wrongly applied the first english dictionary definition of the word (as a synonym to "prey upon"):
"to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends"

While, of course, your respect to Eteri Tutberidze should have guided me instantly to the second one:
"to make the best use"

Silly me :palmf:
 
Not entirely, that puts it into the whole new light :biggrin:

I've wrongly applied the first english dictionary definition of the word (as a synonym to "prey upon"):
"to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends"

While, of course, your respect to Eteri Tutberidze should have guided me instantly to the second one:
"to make the best use"

Silly me :palmf:

I am well aware that you're using sarcasm again. However, let it be said that I chose the wording of "not entirely" on purpose. I explained it pretty thoroughly, that while I do not enjoy every aspect of how she is exploiting the system, I respect that she's clever enough to do so and would expect that of a coach who wants their athlete to win. That's where the "not entirely" came from. And also because I knew that, had I not added the word, someone would have made a pretty similar comment along the lines of "BUT you said something bad about Tutberidze before, how dare you make it seem as if you respected her when you clearly dislike her?!" This thread is strangely predictable when it comes to certain things. :)

You see, I'm not going to explain myself further. I feel I have made a long enough post already and if you deliberately choose to interpret it sarcastically as me not respecting Tutberidze and her skaters only because I've made some remarks about her choreography and the scoring of the judges before, so be it. For me, however, not everything revolves around the coaching staff of my favourite skaters so I do not personally see the use in nitpicking over one small expression in a post that was originally meant to be about something (or someone - in this case, Liza and her FS) else entirely. But well. We all choose what we want to see and you're free to do that as well, obviously. ;)
 
I am well aware that you're using sarcasm again. However, let it be said that I chose the wording of "not entirely" on purpose. I explained it pretty thoroughly, that while I do not enjoy every aspect of how she is exploiting the system, I respect that she's clever enough to do so and would expect that of a coach who wants their athlete to win. That's where the "not entirely" came from. And also because I knew that, had I not added the word, someone would have made a pretty similar comment along the lines of "BUT you said something bad about Tutberidze before, how dare you make it seem as if you respected her when you clearly dislike her?!" This thread is strangely predictable when it comes to certain things. :)

You see, I'm not going to explain myself further. I feel I have made a long enough post already and if you deliberately choose to interpret it sarcastically as me not respecting Tutberidze and her skaters only because I've made some remarks about her choreography and the scoring of the judges before, so be it. For me, however, not everything revolves around the coaching staff of my favourite skaters so I do not personally see the use in nitpicking over one small expression in a post that was originally meant to be about something (or someone - in this case, Liza and her FS) else entirely. But well. We all choose what we want to see and you're free to do that as well, obviously. ;)

What you explained completely fits with the point of my sarcasm, there is nothing to be surprised about. While you say that "not everything revolves around the coaching staff", it was you who used that coaching staff (or style) as a measure and for that conclusion it is unimportant whether you used it in negative or positive way. If people want to prove that things doesn't revolve around something, than they probably shouldn't use it. For me, when you put that into the post about Liza, you had the opportunity to mention it in a completely neutral way which you decided to not apply, so the reaction was in right place.

Also, when you are speaking about how predictable this thread is (which is one of the very few thigs I can completely agree with you), than the way you wrote your post supports that theory very well. While if some of your posts would give the impression that "it seem as if you respected her", than I would read it three times probably :)
 
Fluture has used the word. It's called sarcasm :agree2:



Not entirely, that puts it into the whole new light :biggrin:

I've wrongly applied the first english dictionary definition of the word (as a synonym to "prey upon"):
"to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends"

While, of course, your respect to Eteri Tutberidze should have guided me instantly to the second one:
"to make the best use"

Silly me :palmf:

You are right that “work the system” would be even more neutral than exploit, if they were compared.
ETA: sorry that was @Nussnacker, he is right.

As I said to Fluture, I am in awe of our non native English speakers on the forum. :thumbsup: “Gaming the system” would be the only one I would regard as truly negative, as that would involve possibly subverting the system, not just wringing every point you can out of a program.

Personally, I choose not to read sarcasm into posts. Life’s too short to play word games. that’s why I just ask. :)
 
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You are right that “work the system” would be even more neutral than exploit, if they were compared. As I said to Fluture, I am in awe of our non native English speakers on the forum. :thumbsup: “Gaming the system” would be the only one I would regard as truly negative, as that would involve possibly subverting the system, not just wringing every point you can out of a program.

Personally, I choose not to read sarcasm into posts. Life’s too short to play word games. that’s why I just ask. :)

I forgot to thank you for your correction about gambling/gaming the system, so I'm making it now. :agree: (There is always something new to learn.)
 
Judging by her instagram post - most likely Smirnova quit competitive fs. She returned to Nizhniy Novgorod now, she said that she is going to begin new life. attend school there and making instagram account with posts about her casual life - which (posts) are not going to be related to fs. Also she said she trains on her own (without coach) though..

P.S. some people say her parents have financial problems and they are not able to support her anymore.. I don't know whether it's true or not. It's a pity, she is talented skater with big potential. In other country she would be a star.. well, without money it would be impossible anyway. That said two test skates mysteries is solved now - why there weren't Safonova (changed country to Belarus) and Smirnova. Kadyrova mystery is next?

P.P.S.: what is happening with CSKA skaters (Smirnova was there in Davydov's camp as far as I remember)? 0_0 Both entire sets of juniors and seniors skaters there are either eliminated or with injuries.
 
I am in such awe of all our posters here who post in English when it is not their native tongue:agree:

Do not apologize for using the term "exploiting the system", it is a perfect term, it is not negative, and this native English speaker would not take it as such. I become frustrated when the system rewards moves more than I feel they should be rewarded, but every single coach worth their salt would exploit the system as regards their skaters.:)

Yes apologies are necessary when you use terms like exploiting the system and gaming the system. It kind of makes you go hmmmm. Using the term working the system or utilizing the system is much better. Less offensive if you will.
 
Yes apologies are necessary when you use terms like exploiting the system and gaming the system. It kind of makes you go hmmmm. Using the term working the system or utilizing the system is much better. Less offensive if you will.
No because nobody who speaks English would ever say utilizing the system. It's just not what you write
 
Okay, it's like you either agree with the post or not. Why are we analyzing the English language? I guess these last few days before the jgp are that boring.
 
Kamila will probably win the jgp in France this week, but where does maya fit in? Is she a shoe-in for silver? I don’t know her skating very well; does she struggle with URs that could harm her score and bring her down to bronze?
 
Kamila will probably win the jgp in France this week, but where does maya fit in? Is she a shoe-in for silver? I don’t know her skating very well; does she struggle with URs that could harm her score and bring her down to bronze?

Unless she bombs as she sorts of did at the test skates, she should get the silver.

She needs to fix the layback spin.
 
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