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I think Canada should be fine. Skate America I don't know.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
- Thread starter Spirals for Miles
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But if they had prepared visas for 2 subs + Nastya and Ksenia it would have been fine, and sub 2 could have gone. The problem is sub 1 was injured and ksenia had a visa issues. There was no sub 2.
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I would hope that if Anna is forbidden to compete at SkAm that she gets the third spot at COR (or is she already scheduled there?). Too bad for the third person assigned there, but lesson learned about competing in America. Don't send your A team to the US. It's a shame that this is an issue.
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Lol, so you agree it could be tactical?
I expected to get scolded for my 'theory'. :scard8:
It very well could be tactical, but then why the heck didn't they put Frolova on the sub list? Why Tarusina who is recovering as the ONLY sub? Someone dropped the ball and at least one head should roll. Reminiscent of Claire Ferguson who was in charge of the 1984 World team who didn't submit any subs for the ladies and Roz and Tiffany backed out which left only Zayak to perform there, depriving likely Jill Frost or Kathryn Adams her only Worlds appearance. Totally incompetent. Interesting how someone so incompetent could rise to President of USFS. Some people fail their way to the top, I suppose.
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Tarusina lost the draw. Maya is definitely in big danger of not making the JGPF with 3rd place, but we can only wait and see. Things are uncertain until the end.
Maya isn't just in danger of not making the JGPF. She's in danger of not even getting a second JGP spot.
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I think they meant tactical from Panova’s perspective to avoid a screwy assignment for one of her top students, not so much the Fed. The Fed could and should have just given Frolova that assignment to begin with. Let her have one chance at a GP and save your #2 or 3 junior (Sinitsyna) for a better chance at a top finish. This is the way to maximize. Instead you could end up with another bronze for no reason when the same score could have gotten silver elsewhere.
When that didn’t happen then who knows maybe Panova took matters into her own hands. Honestly I wouldn’t blame her. They seemed more willing to give the easier spots to Eteri girls who were beaten by Panova/Davydov girls at nationals and underperformed at test skates.
Maybe Panova went to the Fed and said “look y’all know good and well my girl could have won silver last weekend so now we’re going to do this my way”. The Fed dropped their head and shamefully admitted she was right lol. Who knows.
They cannot afford to do that. They don’t even have enough spots for all the ladies as it is! Imagine if Maiia or another talented lady ends up without a second spot because of this. I want to know what happened to Ksenia... she seemed fine at test skates?
I agree ... I don't know how the russian federation let this happen ... with so many skaters at least one or two needs to have a passport ready to travel to USA or other countries to any time for this situations ...because that will cost a spot for some lady
The positive way ... I think tarakanova will secure the 2 place ... and have a shot to a second jgp
A crazy ideaAnyone think it's possible that RF or her coach wanted to spare ksenia from a direct confrontation to alysa this earlier in the season?
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After Alysa's performance at Aurora this past weekend, I wouldn't doubt there is strategy behind this. Her last competition, Alysa was a mess, UR/DG all over. Then this weekend they saw, uh-oh, tried doing the math with her BV and figured she was going to win, so one of the Russians would get a 3rd. I see the strategy, and don't disagree with it, if true. But why not at least give Frolova the spot??? Her coach is there, and strange things have happened. Tarakanova could have a meltdown and Frolova could have been second. This is just gross incompetence for Russia to only have one skater this week.
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No one said they didn’t care about the second assignment. As far as I’m concerned those assignments are still TBD and they will (or should) protect whoever deserves it based on the results of the first assignment. Definitely no Valieva against Alysa before the final and if Kanysheva skates the lights out in Latvia then I wouldn’t send her either. But I would give the same consideration to any girl who earns that, not just the ones from Eteri.
I also think the issue in the USA is the politics of Alysa being from the USA and this wouldn’t be *as* much of an issue in the second assignment. It costs a lot more money and takes a lot more effort to get a skater from Russia to a tiny town in the mountains of NY than to Poland, Croatia, or Italy and even if this wasn’t about Ksenia specifically I can see how they didn’t think it was worth it given the situation. Seems like a lot of other countries in Europe chose to sit this one out as well.
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well I dont think so... cause it’s not only Ksenia withdrawn from Russia. There were also 2 ice dance team on the list before
and now only davis diana/ Gleb team is participating in this event
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I’ve been wondering for a long time why the skaters still put their arms up over their head during jumps. It’s not supposed to give extra GOE anymore. But, I think the reason they do it is because
1) it’s the way they’ve been practicing for years, before the rule was put into place, and perhaps tanos and rippons are hard to unlearn?
2) The judges still do give out extra GOE points to those who do the tano and rippon feature, even though they’re not supposed to. And maybe all the coaches and skaters know this, so they won’t stop?
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1) it’s the way they’ve been practicing for years, before the rule was put into place, and perhaps tanos and rippons are hard to unlearn?
2) The judges still do give out extra GOE points to those who do the tano and rippon feature, even though they’re not supposed to. And maybe all the coaches and skaters know this, so they won’t stop?
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This is definitely not purposeful from Russia. The US has a history of having visa issues with athletes of different sports. That was probably the reason for the shortened sub list in the first place (only Tarusina listed as a sub). And plus, Alysa may have had iffy competitions this summer, but RusFed knew about her nationals performance and knew what was coming. They didn't just last minute change this out of fear. Plus, by Ksenia withdrawing they've essentially forfeited one of their 15 JGP spots (really sad considering how many girls could have benefitted from that 15th spot), which RusFed wouldn't do. If there were no visa issues and your theory were right, RusFed would have the normal list of subs and would've subbed in Frolova or even Kromykh or something. Anyways, this is sad and I hope Ksenia can still get a second assignment. Maybe she'll end up getting put in in Chelyabinsk if the Dayvdov girls still aren't ready, or put in at the last event, or get subbed in at another one if someone gets third at their first event.
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The 4Lz of Liu follows extremely UR
If the problem was the visa denied, Russia should return the favor by denying the visa to all Americans for Rostelecom
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There's still a bullet that says "very good air position" (maybe not the exact wording?) and there's room to interpret arms above the head as contributing to that. They also might just think it looks better and adds to the general aesthetics of the program.
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Sinitsyna competing against Alysa and possibly finishing 3rd is better than her getting only one or zero assignments. What is up with these conspiracy theories. Plus RusFed would never put up with this, they have too many girls and not enough events. Deliberately missing an event would have an athlete blacklisted forever. She just had document issues, guys.
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I don't think so. Alina always does her 3Lz-3Lo without tano, so it must be easier for her to do them without. Same with Anna and Sasha when they do their quads.
All sports leagues/organizations should keep a running tally for any and all countries and if there is a regular occurrence of a country being problematic for athletes to get visas for as long as the athlete's paperwork was in order, then sports organizations should remove that country from consideration for major events, in the event of the ISU let's say GPF, 4CCs or Worlds.
I would like the idea of possibly adding the ability for ISU to put a skater affected by something like a visa issue to be put in another GP event. Granted I can see where there's a potential for someone to take advantage of something like that to give a skater more favorable chance of placement.
