2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating | Page 400 | Golden Skate

2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Georgya said:
Look here, 6:24 mark, Anna is shocked, Daniil doesn't understand the scores either. I've watched some performances and Lombardia is a badly organised competition. Anna is the current RUSNAT champion, here she had a good program, maybe not stellar, but she was hugely underscored. Again, what is the point of such competitions? senior b? if they are not properly organised? Things like these are discouraging for the future :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_LQYmJfZhI
Click to expand...

Of course being champion of RusNats is an achievement. It's a HUGE bloodbath. However, Shcherbakova was also beaten by Trusova and Kostornaia last season. Judges might be trying to figure out how the girls all rank against each other (including Alina, Zhenya, and Liza) and aren't sure what to do score-wise? Overall, it will be interesting to see what judges do over the course of the season. In the past, there have been very clear rankings among the top 3-4 Russian ladies, and they get scored accordingly, with everyone below them receiving more "mediocre" scores.

Just for example - in the Olympic season, Zhenya was number 1, with Alina close behind her, and Maria was the clear #3, far behind the top 2, and then there was everyone else who was just far below all of them (Alina became equal to and surpassed Zhenya as the season went on due to momentum + technical ability). Last season, Alina was clear #1 and Zhenya was clear #2, with a big question mark about who #3 would be. Then Liza made a huge comeback and made a solid case for #2, Zhenya struggled, Stanislava had decent results, Sofia was extremely consistent and won European champs, etc. But by the end of the season, it was 1. Alina, 2. Zhenya, 3. Liza, 4. Sofia/Stanislava.

But now three AMAZING juniors have moved to senior and no one knows how to "rank" the girls. Ideally, judges would just score what they see on the ice that day, but they don't and they never have. Your ranking within your own country matters, unfortunately.
 
French Judge:

[table="width: 500"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Shcherbakova [/td]
[td]Andrews[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Skating Skills [/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Transitions[/td]
[td]7,50[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Performance[/td]
[td]7,25[/td]
[td]8,00[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Composition[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[td]8,00[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Interpretation[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[td]8,50[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Andrews is so much better than Anna, I don't know why she has only one GP assignment!
 
Seren said:
I think Anna was underscored as well but I also think that should she continue to skate well then her score will rise accordingly. Sometimes I think the judges want to see Juniors prove themselves as Seniors- that doesn't mean its fair. I don't think she should worry though- as long as she skates well her scores will improve.
Click to expand...

That's true. Both Alina and Rika were getting lower scores in their first senior competitions. And when they proved they are on pair with current seniors, judges started to give them 'senior scores'. It's not fair, but thats the way it is.
 
The scores were a joke for everyone but here is Russian ladies thread so we speak about Anna and Liza. But also, for example, Young You what exactly she has to do to score more than 70 points to land three 3As in one SP? To be 10years senior and then we may decide to give her more than 70? And why should we bypass it and not discuss it?
 
neud said:
French Judge:

[table="width: 500"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Shcherbakova [/td]
[td]Andrews[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Skating Skills [/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Transitions[/td]
[td]7,50[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Performance[/td]
[td]7,25[/td]
[td]8,00[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Composition[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[td]8,00[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Interpretation[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[td]8,50[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Andrews is so much better than Anna, I don't know why she has only one GP assignment!
Click to expand...

This is freak show :palmf: clowns
 
After watching Anna, her score seems correct.

That’s not to say the other scores are also correct, I haven't watched the skates so I couldn’t say.

Her performance today was mediocre, she looked nervous and she seemed slow. Maybe just camera work, maybe not.
 
ruga said:
I'm very curious to find out what Liza's free skate layout will be. What she did at the test skates left me a bit confused.

Also, tomorrow the last group of Chelyabinsk and Lombardia free skates are going to be within an hour or so. Must be an exciting evening for those in Europe.
Click to expand...

You bet :hap57:
 
zounger said:
Maybe or maybe not.
Click to expand...

There are a lot of voices in ISU who don't prefer 'juniors' to compete with 'seniors' on the same level (and we saw they wanted to change age rule last year). Some of those judges scores is exactly reaction on that, and not on Anna and You 'real' skating today, i think. It's just their subjective preference, and they showed it shamelessly :biggrin:
 
neud said:
French Judge:

[table="width: 500"]
[tr]
[td][/td]
[td]Shcherbakova [/td]
[td]Andrews[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]Transitions[/td]
[td]7,50[/td]
[td]7,75[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Andrews is so much better than Anna, I don't know why she has only one GP assignment!
Click to expand...

Eteri did not make her skaters put in a million transitions for THIS
 
Edwin said:
One quad against 2 triksels?

All this talk about how judges 'feel' etc. doesn't add substance to the rule that only the actual performance should be evaluated and not your 'feeling' or the way the skater looked directly at you or avoided just this.

Anyway, it perhaps a call to Anna to do well and perform clean tomorrow. It's not the end of the world or her career at 15, just a valuable lesson.

I don't think Mishin and Gleikhengauz will have a nice casual conversation in the delegations hotel's lobby over a glass of strong liquor. Given Mishin's aversion of anything Moscow I don't think they converse at all when not deemed absolutely necessary.

Who is with Anna? Is her mother chaperoning her, no risk of being bullied by having to share a hotel room?
Click to expand...

Why would she be bullied? What do you think would happen, Liza torture her? Jesus Christ

- - - Updated - - -

icybear said:
I swear if ISU want to muck up Alena pcs as well i will :dev2:.
Click to expand...

Now for that I will join you 100/100
 
andromache said:
Of course being champion of RusNats is an achievement. It's a HUGE bloodbath. However, Shcherbakova was also beaten by Trusova and Kostornaia last season. Judges might be trying to figure out how the girls all rank against each other (including Alina, Zhenya, and Liza) and aren't sure what to do score-wise? Overall, it will be interesting to see what judges do over the course of the season. In the past, there have been very clear rankings among the top 3-4 Russian ladies, and they get scored accordingly, with everyone below them receiving more "mediocre" scores.
Click to expand...

It's important to also consider that Liza is a former world champion and was probably the third best skater in the world for the first half of last season. Given her reputation and that she only made a very minor mistake by over rotating the 3A, I think the higher scores make sense.

Overall, it looks like this is probably a lower scoring event than Autumn Classic. That happens sometimes.
 
nussnacker said:
They are the final decision-makers and at times they are terrible at their job. I don't need a million excuses on why they happen not to do their job properly, I'm just dissatisfied with the fact that they don't manage to do their job well.
Most accusations come from people that have their beloved skaters affected by improper judging, of course. They are on the receiving end, they are the ones that would be unhappy, others who are unaffected won't care, it makes total sense. It doesn't make their claims about bias existing illegitimate, just because of the fact that they are fans of skaters affected. They have a right to be suspicious about bias without being called 'conspirologists'. No need to make it look like everyone's the same or stereotype skating fans.
Click to expand...

IMO it's ridiculous that they haven't introduced slow-mo to judging. It's such an obvious thing to do. Also, why do they still only rely on just 1 camera for the whole rink? For sure they can use the cameras of the broadcasters and review much better, so that we wouldn't have things like "lutz-corner" and "it doesn't look << from this angle".
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
Given her reputation and that she only made a very minor mistake by over rotating the 3A, I think the higher scores make sense.
Click to expand...
What about Anna's reputation vs. Andrews' reputation? Can you compare their achievements?
Looks like Andrews has higher reputation in judges' eyes. If there was no Russian judge, Andrews would be 3rd now.
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
It's important to also consider that Liza is a former world champion and was probably the third best skater in the world for the first half of last season. Given her reputation and that she only made a very minor mistake by over rotating the 3A, I think the higher scores make sense.

Overall, it looks like this is probably a lower scoring event than Autumn Classic. That happens sometimes.
Click to expand...
Lower scoring event, but to an absurd degree! The difference between generosity on ACI and weird calls and low GOEs here, makes it look like the events were on different planets!
Not talking about only ladies event either!
Men, just like ladies, got 4 points of difference in goes between different judges for most skaters too.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

AlexBreeze
2026-27 Russian Women's Figure Skating
4 5 6
Replies
113
Views
10K
lariko
lariko
AlexBreeze
Alexander Grishin Memorial Evening | Oct 05, 2025
Replies
14
Views
3K
tina45677
T
AlexBreeze
Evgenia Medvedeva and Friends | Sep 13, 2025
Replies
0
Views
650
AlexBreeze
AlexBreeze
AlexBreeze
  • Locked
2025-26 Russian Women's Figure Skating
19 20 21
Replies
408
Views
63K
AlexBreeze
AlexBreeze
AlexBreeze
2025-26 Russian Nationals Exhibition Gala
3 4 5
Replies
92
Views
5K
lariko
lariko
Back
Top