2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[*~RussianBleux~*]

How does the tie breaker work? Do they take the two highest scores from the skaters who are tied and compare them or add the two scores together and compare the total?

 

[Jontor]

How does the tie breaker work? Do they take the two highest scores from the skaters who are tied and compare them or add the two scores together and compare the total?

1st - Placing (1+3 beats 2+2)
2nd - Total Combined Score

 

[Edwin]

How does the tie breaker work? Do they take the two highest scores from the skaters who are tied and compare them or add the two scores together and compare the total?

The ISU ranking page has just been updated: http://www.isuresults.com/events/jgp2019/jgpsladies.htm

Last year's cutoff was 26 JGP points, and it will most likely be 26 points this year too.
Sinitsyna needs another 13 points, Park needs another 13 points, Matsiuke needs 15 points to equal 26, after which the total combined score comes into effect.
Sinitsyna seems reasonably safe, Matsuike has the edge over Park.

Frolova needs a Gold and a complete breakdown or withdrawal of the above mentioned three to make the final.

 

[nussnacker]

All that matters is that Daria is going to the final for sure! The slate is wiped clean now, and she gets to go to Torino. Of course, the consistency is an issue and should be worked on, but she has plenty of time for that before the final. Maybe she'll go to a cup event or two to wring those errors out. I hope she isn't too disappointed about 2nd and can enjoy the fact that she qualified for the final. She has improved so much in every aspect of her skating over the past couple of years, and when she gets it all right it will be breathtaking. And good on her for getting those big triple-triples done no problem. I'm sure her big moment with two clean programs is coming soon. And congrats to Anna for a medal at her first JGP event! She seemed happy in the Kiss and Cry, and that is great.

Its easy to become concerned that the only Russian girl that has won a JGP so far this year is Valieva, but I don't think there's too much to worry about. Russia will most likely have three girls in the final, possibly four. And thats with an injury from Kanysheva, one of the expected top girls going in. Even though we've had 5 girls in the past two years, thats not normal, and it was due in part to the 3A, a historical trio. But we can't always have impossibly strong juniors like that, who hardly ever mess up on triples, and the current juniors are doing just great.

I think losing the gold 2 times is likely to harm her in the gpf... Like she could’ve won if she was clean on both of her events, she was viewed as a favorite (or one of) to do so, but now that she has 2 silvers, judges will be looking differently at her and even skating clean, her marks could be held back.

Daria’s style of skating is a little similar to Anna in my eyes, very emotional, with great plasticity, but I feel like Eteri didn’t yet manage to make her completely calm and have nerves of steel

 

[Edwin]

I think losing the gold 2 times is likely to harm her in the gpf... Like she could’ve won if she was clean on both of her events, she was viewed as a favorite (or one of) to do so, but now that she has 2 silvers, judges will be looking differently at her and even skating clean, her marks could be held back.

In theory and the ideal world of fair and unbiased judging it shouldn't, but in practice it most likely will.

At the moment, I'd rank Usachyova below Liu and Valiyeva for sure, and about equal with Lee and Sinitsyna. So it depends on the day who of Lee, Sinitsyna and Usachyova will have the most mistakes, but in Bronze medal position at most if the quadsters skate clean.

Dar'ya is a special and wonderful skater for sure, but still very young and the difference between 13 and 14/15 years of age makes itself certainly known in these girls.

 

[nussnacker]

In theory and the ideal world of fair and unbiased judging it shouldn't, but in practice it most likely will.

At the moment, I'd rank Usachyova below Liu and Valiyeva for sure, and about equal with Lee and Sinitsyna. So it depends on the day who of Lee, Sinitsyna and Usachyova will have the most mistakes, but in Bronze medal position at most if the quadsters skate clean.

Dar'ya is a special and wonderful skater for sure, but still very young and the difference between 13 and 14/15 years of age makes itself certainly known in these girls.

I think Ksenia is a more refined skater than Daria, at least at this point. Her programs this year are really strong, especially her FS, in my view she should be a solid #3 or contending for #2, but let’s hope she does well and shows what she’s capable of.

 

[madraykin]

The ISU ranking page has just been updated: http://www.isuresults.com/events/jgp2019/jgpsladies.htm

Last year's cutoff was 26 JGP points, and it will most likely be 26 points this year too.
Sinitsyna needs another 13 points, Park needs another 13 points, Matsiuke needs 15 points to equal 26, after which the total combined score comes into effect.
Sinitsyna seems reasonably safe, Matsuike has the edge over Park.

Frolova needs a Gold and a complete breakdown or withdrawal of the above mentioned three to make the final.

Eh? If Frolova wins in Italy she has 26 points, 1+3, and goes to 4th in the standings and gets in, no need for any meltdowns or withdrawals from other skaters. (Unless you're suggesting she needs them to breakdown/withdraw in order to get the gold?)

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

The ISU ranking page has just been updated: http://www.isuresults.com/events/jgp2019/jgpsladies.htm

Last year's cutoff was 26 JGP points, and it will most likely be 26 points this year too.
Sinitsyna needs another 13 points, Park needs another 13 points, Matsiuke needs 15 points to equal 26, after which the total combined score comes into effect.
Sinitsyna seems reasonably safe, Matsuike has the edge over Park.

Frolova needs a Gold and a complete breakdown or withdrawal of the above mentioned three to make the final.

Sinitsyna will be the favorite and Matsuike does have the edge over Park. Assuming it will be Sinitsyna and Matsuike 1-2 then I don’t think there is anything Matsuike could do to beat Vasilieva’s huge scores from Chelyabinsk so Vika would win the tie breaker. This is my preferred scenario.

I don’t think Frolova is going to be a factor. She just doesn’t have enough ice coverage or flow going in and out of her jumps and they seem reluctant to give her the GOE even when they’re clean. Maybe she beats Park out for bronze - that would help Viktoria even more.

If there is some kind of scenario where Matsuike beats Sinitsyna then Vika is screwed. But Sinitsyna has amazing spins and steps, the quality of her skating cannot be denied. Sinitsyna would need to have a major meltdown I think for that to happen.

 

[Vandevska]

Daria such a beautiful and artistic skater. I would have given her the pcs advantage even with the mistakes. The judges must have been watching a different program when they gave her the same transition score as the Korean girl.

Right, because she had stsq lvl 2 and Lee had stsq lvl 4, and also Daria fell, two-footed the axel and had a scratchy landing on the first -2T combo.... Her performances here were less artistic than in the previous jgp. She got what she deserved.

 

[Edwin]

I think Ksenia is a more refined skater than Daria, at least at this point. Her programs this year are really strong, especially her FS, in my view she should be a solid #3 or contending for #2, but let’s hope she does well and shows what she’s capable of.

Kseniya certainly scored better, and if she repeats the same performances proves she -is- better by judges marks. She is 15, which is her advantage over Dar'ya, who is still somewhat inexperienced in international competitions. I wouldn't mind either in 3rd, for both of Kseniya's routines are well wrought and mature, and executed to perfection because Kseniya, just like Dar'ya, feels she lives the images. Lee is the force to be reckoned with for the Bronze though, and very capable too.

 

[Vandevska]

If Viktoria Vasilieva gets bumped from the final with two higher scores than Daria because they screwed her over on the assignments I am going to be beside myself. I cannot believe she is depending on Frolova and Matsuike next weekend to edge out Yeonjeong Park from another 2nd.

Same.

 

[Vandevska]

I think Ksenia is a more refined skater than Daria, at least at this point. Her programs this year are really strong, especially her FS, in my view she should be a solid #3 or contending for #2, but let’s hope she does well and shows what she’s capable of.

Agree.


Off topic: sorry for the spamming to the thread. [emoji23]

 

[*~RussianBleux~*]

Right, because she had stsq lvl 2 and Lee had stsq lvl 4, and also Daria fell, two-footed the axel and had a scratchy landing on the first -2T combo.... Her performances here were less artistic than in the previous jgp. She got what she deserved.

I would have given Matsuike the silver at Riga. People can go on about posture, transitions, choreography all they want but consistency plays a role. I was beyond mortified when people on here were complaining about an overrotated 3T when Daria fell and landed on two feet(the worst mistakes), both UR.

I’m pretty torn on Usacheva. In terms of just the skating itself.....well it is gorgeous. Her transitions and posture...the extension Eteri teaches that so many other coaches overlook. She is so graceful and elegant. I believe she and Kanysheva are Valieva-lite, which speaks to their awesomeness. I was was genuinely cheering for her today, hoping to have both her and Haein in the final. But then I remembered Vasilieva and I’m sorry, 2-2 and 2-3 with 2-3 having higher scores and going clean in all programs compared with very egregious mistakes, it just shouldn’t happen like this. I want Vasilieva in period, she is amazing and has proven how many times now that she can hold it together under pressure, even coming off an injury. And my heart kind of hurts for Matsuike at this point too. As much as I love Daria’s skating, I do feel that *some* of the excess PCS Eteri skaters receive in comprarison to the Japanese and Korean skaters that are also elegant and beautiful skaters, have amazing speed and flow in and out of jumps, nice transitions (just not stretchy ones) is unfair at times. And that they should have been closer after the short and Matsuike deserved the medal.

Consistency counts. It is a thing in our sport.

 

[qwerty1195]

Daria such a beautiful and artistic skater. I would have given her the pcs advantage even with the mistakes. The judges must have been watching a different program when they gave her the same transition score as the Korean girl.

That “Korean girl” has a name you know...

 

[icybear]

That “Korean girl” has a name you know...

Yeah I know. Just couldnt remember it at that time. Found it now. Haein Lee. Happy?

 

[icybear]

Right, because she had stsq lvl 2 and Lee had stsq lvl 4, and also Daria fell, two-footed the axel and had a scratchy landing on the first -2T combo.... Her performances here were less artistic than in the previous jgp. She got what she deserved.

Did you not read my post properly. I said "I would have" meaning my own personal preference because i found her program more artistic than Haein Lee. I did not say the judges should have. 2 different things. Besides I was talking about pcs not tes which is what you are referring to.

 

[ec00834]

I would have given Matsuike the silver at Riga. People can go on about posture, transitions, choreography all they want but consistency plays a role. I was beyond mortified when people on here were complaining about an overrotated 3T when Daria fell and landed on two feet(the worst mistakes), both UR.

I’m pretty torn on Usacheva. In terms of just the skating itself.....well it is gorgeous. Her transitions and posture...the extension Eteri teaches that so many other coaches overlook. She is so graceful and elegant. I believe she and Kanysheva are Valieva-lite, which speaks to their awesomeness. I was was genuinely cheering for her today, hoping to have both her and Haein in the final. But then I remembered Vasilieva and I’m sorry, 2-2 and 2-3 with 2-3 having higher scores and going clean in all programs compared with very egregious mistakes, it just shouldn’t happen like this. I want Vasilieva in period, she is amazing. And my heart kind of hurts for Matsuike at this point too. As much as I love Daria’s skating, I do feel that *some* of the excess PCS Eteri skaters receive in comprarison to the Japanese and Korean skaters that are also elegant and beautiful skaters, have amazing speed and flow in and out of jumps, nice transitions (just not stretchy ones) is unfair at times. And that they should have been closer after the short and Matsuike deserved the medal.

Consistency counts. It is a thing in our sport.

Disagree, consistency isn't always what counts. If it was then PCS would be pointless; skaters like Aliona and Zhenya with one or two "weak" jumps would be screwed and Sasha would just win everything with her super consistent triple-triples. The quality of Daria's skating (and performance) is above Vasilieva's and Matsuike's. She definitely deserved her 2 silvers.

 

[Vandevska]

Did you not read my post properly. I said "I would have" meaning my own personal preference because i found her program more artistic than Haein Lee. I did not say the judges should have. 2 different things. Besides I was talking about pcs not tes which is what you are referring to.

Umm yes I read exactly what you wrote. Stsq strength correlates with the skating skills. And pcs is not only awarded just for the artistry (or Interpretation as it is labeled in the score sheet).

PS. I say this as someone who thinks Daria has the best interpretation of the current Russian juniors, my next favourite junior in that aspect now that Aliona has moved to seniors.

 

[nussnacker]

Umm yes I read exactly what you wrote. Stsq strength correlates with the skating skills. And pcs is not only awarded just for the artistry (or Interpretation as it is labeled in the score sheet).

Icybear wrote about transitions score, and things you mentioned aren’t related to that score.

 

[ec00834]

Umm yes I read exactly what you wrote. Stsq strength correlates with the skating skills. And pcs is not only awarded just for the artistry (or Interpretation as it is labeled in the score sheet).

Daria has excellent skating skills, better than most juniors imo. I found it odd she only received stsq2 when she received stsq4 in her short. Does that mean her skating skills suddenly deteriorated in 2 days?