2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

This and people complaining about her being overscored in PCs

Read this blog then, https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/runningupthathill/2581712.html , it's pretty denigrating on Trusova's part and will feed her critics only more.

Thankfully, #TeamTutberidzeForProgress doesn't care about these kind of comments. They know what's best for each and every of their skaters, and how to maximise their chances, many, many times better than any blogger who has never put a blade on the ice.

There have been other blogs even more denigrating to the young seniors, writing that they took away the sensuality, even sexuality, from ladies single figure skating.

It's only one persons personal opinion of course, and many of those persons are nothing more than attention wh.res with their own agendas.

 

[halulupu]

But according to this photo, Anna's sister outgrew her mother. Maybe Anna will be like a sister?

Not only outgrew but also has a more womanly figure (I mean it in a very positive way) than her mother. If anna becomes like her sister in that way her Quads would most likely vanish. However we will see soon enough, and no one can influence it anyway

 

[Bluediamonds09]

I don’t blame trusova for her lack of ease and flow across the ice, or her unaesthetic positions. I blame her coaches for not forcing her to work on her artistry, and I blame the judges for giving her high marks in SS. Trusova is so freakin talented that she could do anything if she were really told to work on it. But she just jumps and jumps. Like that’s all that matters. And tbh, I adore her jumps, they’re so crisp and clean.

 

[Grin]

Evgenia Medevedeva Shanghai trophy runthrough
(she tried 3f3lo)
https://twitter.com/MedvedevaNation/status/1178971528702156801?s=19

 

[katymay]

I don’t blame trusova for her lack of ease and flow across the ice, or her unaesthetic positions. I blame her coaches for not forcing her to work on her artistry, and I blame the judges for giving her high marks in SS. Trusova is so freakin talented that she could do anything if she were really told to work on it. But she just jumps and jumps. Like that’s all that matters. And tbh, I adore her jumps, they’re so crisp and clean.

Here is the thing I've noticed about that: In the last year, I've watched two hours of her just practicing. Two one hour practices before competitions, fan video I think. And in practice, her skating skills are much much better. (One of these practices was closed to the public, not sure how the video was obtained) I think nerves hit, and she grows a bit stiff in competition. She is as capable of deep edges, etc., as any of her peers, but like almost all skaters, in the heat of competition she is a bit rigid, muscles tighten etc.. The other funny thing about a Trusova practice, is after basic warmups, she only does jumps. Jump after jump after jump after jump.

 

[ruga]

Well, Sasha has mentioned that her favorite part of figure skating is jumping. But she certainly has made progress from a few years before. Though I am not sure if this year's programs are much better than the previous ones. But she'll probably 'grow into' them. Also, I wouldn't worry too much about her PCS. When you can get 100+ for TES, it doesn't matter that much if your PCS is 60 or 65, but obviously her coaches will try to make her get all points possible.

 

[Edwin]

Here is the thing I've noticed about that: In the last year, I've watched two hours of her just practicing. Two one hour practices before competitions, fan video I think. And in practice, her skating skills are much much better. (One of these practices was closed to the public, not sure how the video was obtained) I think nerves hit, and she grows a bit stiff in competition. She is as capable of deep edges, etc., as any of her peers, but like almost all skaters, in the heat of competition she is a bit rigid, muscles tighten etc.. The other funny thing about a Trusova practice, is after basic warmups, she only does jumps. Jump after jump after jump after jump.

Well, Sasha has mentioned that her favorite part of figure skating is jumping. But she certainly has made progress from a few years before. Though I am not sure if this year's programs are much better than the previous ones. But she'll probably 'grow into' them. Also, I wouldn't worry too much about her PCS. When you can get 100+ for TES, it doesn't matter that much if your PCS is 60 or 65, but obviously her coaches will try to make her get all points possible.

My idea is #TeamTutberidzeForProgress will keep Trusova 'in jumping mode' as long as she'll hold and delivers the results. For her future they should be working on her skating skills and perhaps a triksel too.

The doping scandal involving Russia still hasn't settled or been resolved, if Russia is banned from the 2022 Olympics, what effect will this have on FFKKR and the national team?
A sportperson's agent still fears a ban from the IOC: https://www.sports.ru/athletics/1078671638.html, which links to his FB page.

 

[monochrom3]

Trusova is so freakin talented that she could do anything if she were really told to work on it.

The team works on skating skills for sure. A previous interview with Daniil I believe some time back where they were rinkside, and he mentions how difficult it is to get her to work on all the other elements of skating because she does not like them at all. You put her on the ice and the first thing she does is jumps, jumps and more jumps. Trusova, simply put, just lives to jump. She loves jumping and I think since she was young that’s the thing she’s worked on the most.

Things like spins and skating skills, if you look at her since her first junior season, she’s actually made great improvements in those season. The team has worked on it clearly. But I find its oft like that I with all of us as people; as a child I loved Math, and even though my parents would insist I learn the other subjects — and I did so dutifully — I never quite excelled at those subjects the way I did with Math. Even if you put in the same number of hours on working on anything, I find that the things that one enjoys is where one flourishes most. I find it the same with Trusova. Her coaches have worked on the other elements with her, and in all honesty despite all the hulabaloo here and everywhere about her lack of skating skills, she’s not bad at all. She’s not great for sure, but the criticism of her skating skills is often out of proportion to her actual skills in that department. Its just that in comparison with her jumping skills — which are frankly unparalleled — the dichotomy between her calibre of jumps and her skating is greatly accentuated.

 

[Scott512]

The Russian juniors have been a disappointment so far as the Koreans and Liu have bested them or threatened them. The Korean, Japanese and American ladies seem to survive puberty better to be blunt. (in general). I am not sure Trusova will make it to 2022. We see what happened to Lipinskaya, Sotnikova, Pogooloraya, Radinova, Tsurskaya, Evgenia, Maria, Sofia, and even Alina is struggling with growth. Whereas Lius looks to be gaining strengt as well as the Yuna Kim inspired Koreans.

Russia just have the greatest group of juniors in figure skating history. There is no way they can follow that with an equally great group of juniors. Kamila may be 3A great and let's see what the others do next year in their second season on the Junior Grand Prix circuit. This season is not even over yet so there's still more for the Russians to do.

I have a problem with this statement...especially mentioning these women. First off, many of these women did survive puberty and most of the reasons their careers ended the way they did was through injuries, lack of motivation, etc. Secondly, while they didn't have super, long-lasting senior careers...it's not like they had one good result or season. Many of them had at least two great seasons. Sotnikova had a world-class season as the European silver medalist in the 2012-2013 season. Pogorilaya had a very bad back injury that ended her career, her getting through puberty was actually a HUGE advantage for her in the 2016-2017 season as she fully utilized it to have more womanly program, and she was a 3-time European medalist and World bronze medalist, Radionova was a European silver medalist after 2014-2015, and Evgenia...I frankly don't even know why she was included here quite frankly.

Secondly, we, the US female skaters have also had a bunch of women skaters who were nowhere near the heights that they were as a junior or pre-puberty. Zhang, Nagasu (though she did land the 3A), Edmunds, Vivian Le, Amber Glenn, Tyler Pierce, Angela Wang, Courtney Hicks, and Hannah Miller to name a few. I'm not sure about the Koreans and Japanese, but from what I've seen in the US, it's not that we have girls who survive puberty better, it's that we have less junior prodigies so less cases to name.

Not everyone is Michelle Kwan or Maria Butyrskaya or Carolina Kostner.

That was a great post. I enjoyed reading every word.

Poor Pogo her back injuries really slowed down her career and ended up ending it. I really miss Adelina too I only hope she's healthy and happy. Yulia too. She was such a great shining star but a far too short a time. But thats sports and thats life.

 

[Edwin]

The team works on skating skills for sure. A previous interview with Daniil I believe some time back where they were rinkside, and he mentions how difficult it is to get her to work on all the other elements of skating because she does not like them at all. You put her on the ice and the first thing she does is jumps, jumps and more jumps. Trusova, simply put, just lives to jump. She loves jumping and I think since she was young that’s the thing she’s worked on the most.

Things like spins and skating skills, if you look at her since her first junior season, she’s actually made great improvements in those season. The team has worked on it clearly. But I find its oft like that I with all of us as people; as a child I loved Math, and even though my parents would insist I learn the other subjects — and I did so dutifully — I never quite excelled at those subjects the way I did with Math. Even if you put in the same number of hours on working on anything, I find that the things that one enjoys is where one flourishes most. I find it the same with Trusova. Her coaches have worked on the other elements with her, and in all honesty despite all the hulabaloo here and everywhere about her lack of skating skills, she’s not bad at all. She’s not great for sure, but the criticism of her skating skills is often out of proportion to her actual skills in that department. Its just that in comparison with her jumping skills — which are frankly unparalleled — the dichotomy between her calibre of jumps and her skating is greatly accentuated.

Sasha is in her Wonder Years, just let her be and we all enjoy her revelling in her powers and abilities That insidious blog I linked to is of the same opinion as yours, and generally both experts and fans are right, figure skating shouldn't be all about jumps and athletic stunts. I think people tend to be flabbergasted by the quads and ignore the rest of Aleksandra's program, just as she herself sometimes seems to forget ;-)

I have full faith in #TeamTutberidzeForProgress to have the best interests of Aleksandra and her prospects at both short term results and long term goals clearly on their minds. For this season, Aleksandra seems to be fairly comfortable, confident and safe in her programs. Next season is still a year away, no need to worry over it just now.

 

[GBs mom]

I'm genuinely confused by people who criticize Sasha's skating skills. I can understand those who say she can work on her artistry, but skating skills are more about speed, one foot skating, deep edges, steps, and turns. I'm a relatively new fan of figure skating, but she seems strong in those aspects to my untrained eye.

 

[VenusHalley]

I don’t blame trusova for her lack of ease and flow across the ice, or her unaesthetic positions. I blame her coaches for not forcing her to work on her artistry, and I blame the judges for giving her high marks in SS. Trusova is so freakin talented that she could do anything if she were really told to work on it. But she just jumps and jumps. Like that’s all that matters. And tbh, I adore her jumps, they’re so crisp and clean.

She improved on her spins though. In her first Jr World's that she won... it was BOOM BAM BAM QUADZ! That wonderful Salchow she made look like it was nothing, so effortless... And then you could see she struggled with her lack of stamina and last spin was slowing down to the end (she had to really pull in the positions in the spins).

That improved.

She now can go go go from the beginning to the end. Sure, her style is not the most lady like, but not everybody needs to be a soft princessy lady.

 

[JazzUp]

Wiki statistics for the Russian National Team members (2015-2019, sorted by views per day):

Name	Date 1st page created & language	Number of pages in different languages	Languages	Number of views 2015-2019	Views per day	Number of views of 3 most popular pages
Alina Zagitova	26.08.16, en	35	ru, ja, en, de, zh, fr, es, it, pl, pt, cs, nl, fi, ko, sv, bg, uk, hr, tt, It, ro, he, no, ud, fa, ba, Iv, el, et, ka, hy, ar, az, sc, nd	4,222,395	3,737	1,841,852 1,087,477 1,003,995
Yevgeniya Medvedeva	21.08.13, en	28	ru, en, ja, es, zh, de, fr, it, pl, pt, cs, fi, ko, sv, nl, uk, hy, tr, hu, he, az, hr, no, fa, ar, Iv, sc, hy	5,621,430	3,622	2,270,357 1,654,962 1,234,344
Alexandra Trusova	26.08.17, en	13	en, ru, ja, zh, es, de, it, pl, fr, hu, he, ar, ml	677,174	866	259,013 235,087 142,454
Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva	01.03.09, ru	23	ru, ja, en, de, zh, fr, es, it, pl, pt, fi, nl, ko, tr, sk, uk, et, no, sc, he, ud, cv, ar	1,163,086	749	503,783 361,143 244,357
Alyona Kostornaya	07.10.17, en	11	en, ru, ja, zh, de, pl, it, fr, es, ar, ml	362,810	502	146,919 121,013 82,757
Anna Shcherbakova	24.04.17, ru	11	en, ru, ja, zh, es, de, it, pl, fr, ar, he	269,956	304	94,883 92,770 64,184
Sofya Samodurova	12.12.16, ja	15	ru, en, ja, de, es, pl, it, zh, fr, nl, hy, uk, ar, cv, wu	265,084	259	126,502 81,330 47,543
Stanislava Konstantinova	18.09.16, ja	7	ru, en, ja, zh, es, ar, nl	212,363	192	83,638 82,969 42,402

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[skatergurl7]

Well, Sasha has mentioned that her favorite part of figure skating is jumping. But she certainly has made progress from a few years before. Though I am not sure if this year's programs are much better than the previous ones. But she'll probably 'grow into' them. Also, I wouldn't worry too much about her PCS. When you can get 100+ for TES, it doesn't matter that much if your PCS is 60 or 65, but obviously her coaches will try to make her get all points possible.

I actually liked her big spender and heart is as black as night programs the best. they should go with more charming programs instead of the masculine and powerful look of her two programs this year

 

[starla16]

The Russian juniors have been a disappointment so far as the Koreans and Liu have bested them or threatened them. The Korean, Japanese and American ladies seem to survive puberty better to be blunt. (in general). I am not sure Trusova will make it to 2022. We see what happened to Lipinskaya, Sotnikova, Pogooloraya, Radinova, Tsurskaya, Evgenia, Maria, Sofia, and even Alina is struggling with growth. Whereas Lius looks to be gaining strengt as well as the Yuna Kim inspired Koreans.

good god don't you get tired of your mantra since 2013 ? you said long time ago the russians were finished since Worlds 2013 and Yulia. lmao
tell that to the canadian ladies first. :noshake:

also you said Med and Zagitova are finished and Tuk is was still growing. hahahahahha

 

[moriel]

I love that you chose the only ranking system (view/day) where Alina outranked Evgenia .

That is next level trolling.

Thats not the only. If you take 2019 only, for example, Alina outranks Evgenia by a MASSIVE margin.

 

[moriel]

Read this blog then, https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/runningupthathill/2581712.html , it's pretty denigrating on Trusova's part and will feed her critics only more.

Thankfully, #TeamTutberidzeForProgress doesn't care about these kind of comments. They know what's best for each and every of their skaters, and how to maximise their chances, many, many times better than any blogger who has never put a blade on the ice.

There have been other blogs even more denigrating to the young seniors, writing that they took away the sensuality, even sexuality, from ladies single figure skating.

It's only one persons personal opinion of course, and many of those persons are nothing more than attention wh.res with their own agendas.

Yeah well...

I dunno, for me Trusova is like a rocket flying to mars. It is beautiful because its a effin rocket flying to effin mars, and people complain that the rocket didn't draw pretty pictures on the sky.
Maybe i should write a blog post on that.

good god don't you get tired of your mantra since 2013 ? you said long time ago the russians were finished since Worlds 2013 and Yulia. lmao
tell that to the canadian ladies first. :noshake:

Also I love how people say russian juniors have been a disappointment . I mean, yeah, 11 JGP medals only, out of 18 possible. Thats a disappointment.
I kind of want to question that user what they would call lets say Canadian junior ladies (using Canada as example since it is one of the big feds), but i feel that it would not be taken well.

 

[flanker]

I love that you chose the only ranking system (view/day) where Alina outranked Evgenia .

That is next level trolling.

What ranking would you propose to avoid being blamed of "next level of trolling"? There are several ways this could be arranged, though I think I know the "only" way you would offer. How people can react to such neutral statistics

 

[moriel]

I think a good metric would be to take the number of views and divide by the number of season the skater skated at senior level.
Juniors, even best ones, get WAY less visibility, so that sounds just about fair to me.

 

[EdgeCall]

What good does it do in the first place to compare the skaters by their popularity instead of their skating abilities?