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2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

Test Skates programme views for the Russian National Team members (as of 02.10.19 on 1TV YT channel):

NameSPFSTotal
Alina Zagitova168,541583,528752,069
Alexandra Trusova55,324434,246489,570
Yevgeniya Medvedeva49,022259,412308,434
Anna Shcherbakova41,652200,863242,515
Alyona Kostornaya39,342169,212208,554
Yelizaveta Tuktamysheva16,087124,586140,673
Sofya Samodurova16,00956,65072,659
Stanislava Konstantinova6,07321,79127,864
 
While I understand how some fans wish for ridiculously talented juniors every season, I don't think it is bad at all that in some seasons the dominance isn't as big. Can you think of an Olympic cycle in which a group of 3A's caliber appeared every year? It would be fun, sure; it would also make Russian nationals even more cutthroat than it already is. In the end, only 3 women will be sent to Olympics/Worlds, so it doesn't change much if there are 5 or 10 fantastic skaters able to podium.
 
What good does it do in the first place to compare the skaters by their popularity instead of their skating abilities?

I think you can answer that question for yourself, what “good it does“ for some people. ;)

However, since you asked: Frankly, these are statistics and the way I look at it, they could be changed to fit any agenda. I could post some here and make it look like as if Trusova or Medvedeva or even Kostornaya were the most “popular“ skaters. Maybe not use “views per day“ or “views of programs at test skates“ but look up some other obscure statistics someone made of “views per minute in the last three hours“ and surprisingly enough, Shcherbakova could end up on top there. Great information! In the last three hours Shcherbakova would then have been crowned... what exactly? Ah yes, that‘s the question again of “what use is there“. There is no use in it. It‘s somebody trying to prove a point where there isn‘t any and intentionally provoking bickering. In my opinion, these kind of statistics help no on other than to make some fans happy that their beloved ended up the most popular. It’s like high school. That‘s why I agree with those who said this was trolling, as simple as that.

As for the Russian ladies and what really matters (or should matter, which is their skating): I‘m excited to see Alina, Zhenya and Sasha this week. So many questions to be answered: Alina‘s new costumes which I personally can’t wait to see. Whether Sasha will include the 4S she‘s been filmed practicing again. How they fare up against Rika. Whether Zhenya will land her new combo etc. etc. And that‘s not to mention our junior ladies! Last event before the final, so the last tickets are at stake. Frolova, Sinitsyna and Vasilieva are all at least in contention. Sounds like an interesting week and weekend of skating for the Russian ladies to me. :)
 
I think you can answer that question for yourself, what “good it does“ for some people. ;)

However, since you asked: Frankly, these are statistics and the way I look at it, they could be changed to fit any agenda. I could post some here and make it look like as if Trusova or Medvedeva or even Kostornaya were the most “popular“ skaters. Maybe not use “views per day“ or “views of programs at test skates“ but look up some other obscure statistics someone made of “views per minute in the last three hours“ and surprisingly enough, Shcherbakova could end up on top there. Great information! In the last three hours Shcherbakova would then have been crowned... what exactly? Ah yes, that‘s the question again of “what use is there“. There is no use in it. It‘s somebody trying to prove a point where there isn‘t any and intentionally provoking bickering. In my opinion, these kind of statistics help no on other than to make some fans happy that their beloved ended up the most popular. It’s like high school. That‘s why I agree with those who said this was trolling, as simple as that.

As for the Russian ladies and what really matters (or should matter, which is their skating): I‘m excited to see Alina, Zhenya and Sasha this week. So many questions to be answered: Alina‘s new costumes which I personally can’t wait to see. Whether Sasha will include the 4S she‘s been filmed practicing again. How they fare up against Rika. Whether Zhenya will land her new combo etc. etc. And that‘s not to mention our junior ladies! Last event before the final, so the last tickets are at stake. Frolova, Sinitsyna and Vasilieva are all at least in contention. Sounds like an interesting week and weekend of skating for the Russian ladies to me. :)

I think you missed the point. These statistics are useful for marketing. If a company wants to invest on a figure skater, or hire them for a campaign, they’ll probably choose the most relevant ones in terms of popularity.
 
I think you missed the point. These statistics are useful for marketing. If a company wants to invest on a figure skater, or hire them for a campaign, they’ll probably choose the most relevant ones in terms of popularity.

Ah. Yes, of course, thanks for explaining. I‘m absolutely and entirely sure that marketing was the main interest behind these statistics....

Seriously now, how hard is it to imagine who the most popular skaters will be? Alina won OGM and WC, she is a star, the star probably at the moment, need I say more? I mean, come on. Evgenia has been on the circuit for years, she‘s experienced and accomplished, trains in Canada and speaks English so might be interesting for campaigns there. The 3A are upcoming stars, especially Trusova who has already broken countless of records and landed a deal with a big sports company when she‘s barely even a senior. There, question answered and I didn’t need a bunch of “statistics“ for that. Besides, companies won‘t simply look at popularity when choosing someone for their campaign, it’s important but there are more factors involved in that and they‘ll choose whoever they think fits their product/line/whatever best. And I‘m asking myself why I‘m even engaging in that discussion since it’s just... well, let’s say distracting from the thread.
 
I remember serious comparing of the number of followers on instagram here last year :laugh:

Note: Comparing average daily data from several years with the instant "last hours/minutes etc." is comparing apples and pears (while pears have no validity in this case).
 
I think you can answer that question for yourself, what “good it does“ for some people. ;)

However, since you asked: Frankly, these are statistics and the way I look at it, they could be changed to fit any agenda. I could post some here and make it look like as if Trusova or Medvedeva or even Kostornaya were the most “popular“ skaters. Maybe not use “views per day“ or “views of programs at test skates“ but look up some other obscure statistics someone made of “views per minute in the last three hours“ and surprisingly enough, Shcherbakova could end up on top there. Great information! In the last three hours Shcherbakova would then have been crowned... what exactly? Ah yes, that‘s the question again of “what use is there“. There is no use in it. It‘s somebody trying to prove a point where there isn‘t any and intentionally provoking bickering. In my opinion, these kind of statistics help no on other than to make some fans happy that their beloved ended up the most popular. It’s like high school. That‘s why I agree with those who said this was trolling, as simple as that.

As for the Russian ladies and what really matters (or should matter, which is their skating): I‘m excited to see Alina, Zhenya and Sasha this week. So many questions to be answered: Alina‘s new costumes which I personally can’t wait to see. Whether Sasha will include the 4S she‘s been filmed practicing again. How they fare up against Rika. Whether Zhenya will land her new combo etc. etc. And that‘s not to mention our junior ladies! Last event before the final, so the last tickets are at stake. Frolova, Sinitsyna and Vasilieva are all at least in contention. Sounds like an interesting week and weekend of skating for the Russian ladies to me. :)

Actually, I disagree a bit about the statistical part.

Lemme blablabla as a statistician. There are some fairly objective criteria to evaluate numbers.

For example, do they make sense? I mean, common sense. One would expect that a popular skater's wikipedia will get tons of views, either as total, or last year, or last season or whatever, while some obscure skater would get nearly no views compared to that.

Now, one would also agree that we need some fairly large period to measure it. Why? For example, if we take views in one day, there is a lot of variation. For example, take a day during a GP events - of course, skaters who are there, or skaters who won it, will get tons of views, compared to skaters who didn't skate that weekend. Because they just happen to not skate, and of course people will be more interested in skaters competing right now.

So actually, if you look at it in an objective way (not "my fav is not the most popular one, those numbers are messed up"), there is a HUGE difference, and i mean really huge, between "average per day over some long time, maybe a season or a couple of seasons" and “views of programs at test skates“ (where the compared skaters presented their programs, all at the same event) and “views per minute in the last three hours“.

It is ridiculous, basically.

TL;DR no, you cannot change statistics to fit any agenda, because there is just so much room to change it while keeping your analysis trustable. Average over a season is a number we can trust. “views per minute in the last three hours“ is likely BS.
 
Golden Skate has its own popularity statistics -- the number of views in the Fan Fests. Here is the ladies million views club, all time.

Evgenia Medvedeva 4.672.070
Yulia Lipnitskaia 3.313,952
Alina Zagitova 2.470,463
Yuna Kim 1.527,520
Mao Asada 967,093

GOAT: Yuzuru Hanyu had so many posts that we had to separate it out into ten individual threads, one for each year. :)
 
What good does it do in the first place to compare the skaters by their popularity instead of their skating abilities?

Money money money money money. Makes the word go round, ya know. Maybe it doesn't do good, but that doesn't stop it being important.

Popularity may not matter to us (although be honest, it does. To me, you and everyone else. If it didn't, you would have had a moment of MEGO over the list and not bothered to address it. We all want our most loved to be the most loved, no matter how much we try to pretend otherwise). But popularity certainly matters a whole lot to the skaters, their teams, their families, especially in a sport where the time for earning money for the future is short and few people are going to get much chance in that time. And having skaters who bring fans, loyal or casual, matters a WHOLE lot for the sport worldwide (which Evgenia and Alina, and probably now Trusova, have a good chance of doing). I very much doubt that whether one Russian girl has more fans (including casual) than the other matters a hell of a lot per se, what does matter is that they are both loved. Good for the sport, good for the businesses and sponsors that they all want/need and who will go for the skaters who are good and popular and saleable, good for a comfortable, worthy post-skating future.

Thing is, Wikipedia is not anywhere near an accurate indication of popularity (and doesn't even begin to take into account a lot of the Chinese/Asian market) but then what is? Youtube? Twitter/Instagram? Some (very few, it's not a viable choice for most, which well and truly indicates how important being popular, followed and liked is to sports stars these days) don't even have that, and it's very hard to count up mentions... Actual endorsement figures? Given that the sponsors' pr people probably watch these people's ups and downs for a living.

I repeat... they are both loved. That's what that list shows, most importantly. Can't people be glad for them both?
 
Money money money money money. Makes the word go round, ya know. Maybe it doesn't do good, but that doesn't stop it being important.

Popularity may not matter to us (although be honest, it does. To me, you and everyone else. If it didn't, you would have had a moment of MEGO over the list and not bothered to address it. We all want our most loved to be the most loved, no matter how much we try to pretend otherwise). But popularity certainly matters a whole lot to the skaters, their teams, their families, especially in a sport where the time for earning money for the future is short and few people are going to get much chance in that time. And having skaters who bring fans, loyal or casual, matters a WHOLE lot for the sport worldwide (which Evgenia and Alina, and probably now Trusova, have a good chance of doing). I very much doubt that whether one Russian girl has more fans (including casual) than the other matters a hell of a lot per se, what does matter is that they are both loved. Good for the sport, good for the businesses and sponsors that they all want/need and who will go for the skaters who are good and popular and saleable, good for a comfortable, worthy post-skating future.

Thing is, Wikipedia is not anywhere near an accurate indication of popularity (and doesn't even begin to take into account a lot of the Chinese/Asian market) but then what is? Youtube? Twitter/Instagram? Some (very few, it's not a viable choice for most, which well and truly indicates how important being popular, followed and liked is to sports stars these days) don't even have that, and it's very hard to count up mentions... Actual endorsement figures? Given that the sponsors' pr people probably watch these people's ups and downs for a living.

I repeat... they are both loved. That's what that list shows, most importantly. Can't people be glad for them both?

This. Figure skating wouldn't exist if rewards didn't. It's an expensive sport (financially, physically, and mentally). And those who are more popular are rewarded most. Let's be glad these top ladies are getting sponsorships; figure skating is a full time job and then some.
 
Very interesting thank you so much. I’m suprised that Marin Honda is that high on the list and that elizaveta tuktamysheva is so far down!

Marin Honda and her whole family are very well known and popular in Japan. One of her younger sisters is a popular child actress (Miyu) and the other sister (Sara) is an upcoming junior skater next season, who is also already well known among figure skating fans in Japan and who is already getting invited to ice shows. Let's not forget that Marin won JWs in 2016 and won silver at JWs in 2017.
 
I found this very funny. :laugh: Russian team this season! :yahoo:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2t0Gm6JWpF/?igshid=xo1dci75hlfy

Very interesting thank you so much. I’m suprised that Marin Honda is that high on the list and that elizaveta tuktamysheva is so far down!

It‘s probably because Honda is a star in Japan, she gets lots of attention even though she‘s had problems the last few seasons. I think she (and her family?) are some kind of celebrity there, so she‘s well known even without skating. Not sure about Liza but she did have some problems after her incredible break-through season and is only coming back strongly last season and now. And besides, she‘s never been to the Olympics. I think the Olympics make a huge difference, Alina and Zhenya‘s instagram followers and general attention for example went sky high after 2018.
 
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