2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[flanker]

Idk what you‘re on about but there are rules on this forum and they say not to create any conspiracy theories. And what you are all doing here, acting as if the judges deliberately underscored ONLY Eteri skaters and intentionally overscored Mariah Bell or saying that the technical specialist was biased against Aliona because of her age.. you have no proof whatsoever for any of these accusations, so yes, I dare say they‘re uncalled for and in fact, “groundless claims“. I disagreed with the judging too. And saying they got it wrong is nothing bad, we do it all the time. But things just get out of hand here. The thread is derailing so much it‘s not funny anymore. Russian ladies are winning everything this season. Shouldn’t you be happy? Instead there‘s whining and crying about judging after every single competition. I understand it to some degree, the judging is weird this season. But you‘re truly reaching a level I can only shake my head at. :noshake:

Here, let‘s look at the beauty that is Aliona‘s 3A instead:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4XErdaoTMi/?igshid=ualfx4gs9g2j

Or this beautiful fanart of Alina‘s exhibition:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4XQKSLITUO/?igshid=1qmp74m1fl190

I think my three short answers I've used the last time would be perfecly sufficent to reply on this as well. I'll just add that for something that is "bothering you by your own words, it is weird that you are the one who is prolonging this conversation by bringing the same things back again and again I wasn't planning to continue to talk about this anymore. In fact most of my commets were responses to you or pearly or ziotic and some others, most of that direct questions. Why you asking if you won't read the answer.

As for the e.g. Alina's fanart, thanks, I've already posted similar yesterday, we could've shared share our pleasure together. I think I'm pretty active in fanfests of the skaters. So there is no point in telling me "why not just admire this or that". I'm doing i all the time.

 

[Mishaminion]

It is easy to miss such pleasant things amongst the rest.

I'd much rather discuss things like that fan art or Alyona's amazing quality.

 

[skatingfan200]

Also, why is all blame on Prins? Doesn't a call happen when at least 2 TP members agree? Maybe someone can explain their work here or show where to find such information.

He was the technical Controller
https://www.usfsa.org/Content/Technical%20Controller%20Description.pdf
+ they are two technical specialist
https://www.usfigureskating.org/content/JS04technicalspecialist.pdf

 

[skatingfan200]

It's statistics now. You can explain it once, twice. But not like it is now. And, yes, Zhenya is somehow immune so far because her tech calls are similar to what they were. And if we compare the lutz on which she fell which received ! with Alina's e on the lutz, yes, of course it's just about different technical panels. Sure, sure.

Actually the statistic says otherwise by the lutz in comparison to "what they were." Zhenya was also not immune to wrong calls this season (see Shanghai UR calls). There is no trend or conspiracy against Eteri´s skater.

 

[flanker]

I've said it many times

Disagree with the judging and the tech calls, not a problem.

Saying you don't agree with the calls and that you don't see the supposed errors? Not a problem, if you read my own posts you will see I generally do not agree with the calls either, they were too harsh.

Endless accusations and conspiracy talk, is a problem.

Such talk is actually against the forum rules, and probably for a very good reason.

Yet people continue to do it, disregarding all efforts to prevent it.

There is nothing like "endless accusations", however. There were comments of three types, IMO. First type, the very first unbelieving reactions. Second, responses and reactions to the claims that everything is right, that the judging panel was maybe strict but nothing that would've crossed the line. In these reactions there were opinions, pictures, videos capturing jumps and elements from different angles and talks about how this is UR, wrong edge etc. Those were pretty persuasive, it seems, because there was the third wave, "maybe there were wrong, but they are still winning" etc. and those claims were as much passionate as the opposite ones. So, the face of the discussion changed several times and not just by the effort of one side, this was never one-sided matter, people with the opposite opinion were actively participating in the debate. So, now claiming that one side is prolonging the topic, whining, derailig etc. is definitely not true to reality. Half of the comments disagreeing eith the judges decisions and scores wouldn't be here if not questioned, asked or initiated from the users with opposite opinon.

 

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Also, why is all blame on Prins? Doesn't a call happen when at least 2 TP members agree? Maybe someone can explain their work here or show where to find such information.

The blame is on Prins because he is that notorious guy who brought the proposal to raise the age limit. He was very open about why it was he to do that: "I believe if USA or Canada would send in this proposal, it would be perceived as directly anti-Russia, so coming from a small (figure skating) federation may increase the chances of it passing". What a hypocrite.

And we all remember "the rationale": “At Senior Championships and the OWG (Olympic Winter Games), we need to show mature skaters with well-balanced programs. This will improve the image of our sport: media and audience would like to see `idols’ who compete for a longer period of time".

 

[ruga]

He was the technical Controller
https://www.usfsa.org/Content/Technical%20Controller%20Description.pdf
+ they are two technical specialist
https://www.usfigureskating.org/content/JS04technicalspecialist.pdf

Thank you! So if I understood correctly, it was a decision of at least two people:

4. Corrects, if necessary, the calls of the technical specialist. If both technical specialists disagree with the proposed correction,
the initial decision of the technical specialists shall stand. If the two technical specialists do not agree, the decision of the
technical controller shall prevail.

 

[pearly]

No, it was a conspiracy of at least two people to take the Russians down. Keep up.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

Fingers crossed for all our Russian ladies

Who did the best out of Tsibinova, Guliakova, and Gubanova? I’m assuming they made the top 3.

 

[Mishaminion]

The blame is on Prins because he is that notorious guy who brought the proposal to raise the age limit. He was very open about why it was he to do that: "I believe if USA or Canada would send in this proposal, it would be perceived as directly anti-Russia, so coming from a small (figure skating) federation may increase the chances of it passing". What a hypocrite.

And we all remember "the rationale": “At Senior Championships and the OWG (Olympic Winter Games), we need to show mature skaters with well-balanced programs. This will improve the image of our sport: media and audience would like to see `idols’ who compete for a longer period of time".

The accusation of bias does not work because:

1. His age limit proposal was 17 and for 20/21 season

2. Alina is already 17 and unaffected by his proposal or opinion on age limits

2. Aloyna will be 17 next season and unaffected by his proposal or opinion.

3. Alina and Alyona are mature and well balanced skaters despite being 16 and 17 and Alina continues her career despite having won everything already and shows no sign of even wanting to quit, which I'm sure is something, based on his comments, he finds commendable.

4. Despite the tech calls Alina and Alyona are still head and shoulders above the competition and unless they have disastrous skates will almost certainly finish 1st and second.

So again what evidence so you have to put any blame on the man?

None

 

[Mishaminion]

Who did the best out of Tsibinova, Guliakova, and Gubanova? I’m assuming they made the top 3.

I do not know. I was watching the stream but my internet is being seriously affected by the weather it seems, and it became unwatchable and just kept buffering

 

[Nord Stream 2]

1 Daria USACHEVA
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", office "Crystal" 212.78 1 1
2 Elizabeth BERESTOVSKAYA
Moscow CSKA of sshor of them. S. A. Zhuka 199.76 2 3
3 Kamila SULTANMAGOMEDOV
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", branch "KONEK Tchaikovsky" 190.12 4 4
4 nick RYABININ
Moscow CSKA of sshor of them. S. A. Zhuka 189.67 3 5
5 Maya Khromyih
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", office "Crystal" 189.59 9 2
6 Varvara KISSEL
Krasnodar region, FC PSC 184.53 5 6
7 Camilla NELYUBOVA
Krasnodar region, PSC on FC 179.88 8 7
8 Valeria OVCHINNIKOVA
St. Petersburg, SSHOR "Star ice" 170.64 14 8
9 Stanislav MOLCHANOV
Krasnodar Krai, SH on FC and X 169.94 6 10
10 Maria DMITRIEVA
St. Petersburg, SSHOR "Star ice" 168.26 10 9
Berestovskaya tried 4T, Dmitrieva tried 3A

https://fsrussia.ru/results/1920/3etap/opMC__Scores.pdf

 

[ancientpeas]

You all need to tone this stuff down a notch or two. Some of you are making this thread unreadable for the rest of the users of this forum.

The tone is unpleasant, needlessly confrontational and ridiculously defensive. People can disagree with each other without it devolving into bickering and arguing.

Start acting more respectfully toward each other. We want everyone to enjoy this thread. Stop trying to silence the supporters of skaters other than the ones you personally like. That is a blanket statement. Regardless of which skaters you like if she is a Russian Lady she is welcome here.

 

[Mishaminion]

There is nothing like "endless accusations", however. There were comments of three types, IMO. First type, the very first unbelieving reactions. Second, responses and reactions to the claims that everything is right, that the judging panel was maybe strict but nothing that would've crossed the line. In these reactions there were opinions, pictures, videos capturing jumps and elements from different angles and talks about how this is UR, wrong edge etc. Those were pretty persuasive, it seems, because there was the third wave, "maybe there were wrong, but they are still winning" etc. and those claims were as much passionate as the opposite ones. So, the face of the discussion changed several times and not just by the effort of one side, this was never one-sided matter, people with the opposite opinion were actively participating in the debate. So, now claiming that one side is prolonging the topic, whining, derailig etc. is definitely not true to reality. Half of the comments disagreeing eith the judges decisions and scores wouldn't be here if not questioned, asked or initiated from the users with opposite opinon.

I do not have anything against the disagreements on the judging, and even support the fact the judging was too harsh.

I do disagree with the flood of conspiracy theories and pointing fingers at people, to accuse them of deliberately dinging skaters to hold them down or because of some unreasonable bias.

 

[Nord Stream 2]

1 Xenia TSIBENOVA
Moscow CSKA of sshor of them. S. A. Zhuka 203.83 3 1
2 Anastasia GUBANOVA
St. Petersburg, St. Petersburg SSHOR 197.09 2 2
3 Anastasia GULYAKOVA
St. Petersburg, SSHOR "Star ice" 192.87 1 3
4 Ksenia MIKRYUKOVA
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", branch "KONEK Tchaikovsky" 167.16 4 4
5 Alina SHEVCHENKO
Krasnodar region, FC 159.15 5 5
6 Amalia BELOUSOVA
Perm region, SSHOR "Orlyonok" 152.98 9 6
7 Mary KOSTENEC
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", branch "KONEK Tchaikovsky" 151.12 6 7
8 Alina FENCE
Krasnodar region, PSC on FC 150.36 7 8
9 Yana MITINA
Rostov region, SSHOR No. 6 139.45 8 10
10 Sofia MITINA
Moscow region, MBUS "Odintsovo" 138.37 12 9
11 Polina RODINA
Perm region, SSHOR "Orlyonok" 134.32 10 11
12 Daria OKLADNIKOVA
Krasnoyarsk region, SSHOR "Dawn" 130.83 11 12
13 Valeria STASZCZUK
Krasnoyarsk territory, in the LAN of sshor of 92.76 13

 

[grado]

Despite the tech calls Alina and Alyona are still head and shoulders above the competition and unless they have disastrous skates will almost certainly finish 1st and second.

Despite a plenty of enemies plotting against them some people (and countries) are still exist. That doesn't mean they have no enemies plotting against them.

 

[Mishaminion]

1 Daria USACHEVA
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", office "Crystal" 212.78 1 1
2 Elizabeth BERESTOVSKAYA
Moscow CSKA of sshor of them. S. A. Zhuka 199.76 2 3
3 Kamila SULTANMAGOMEDOV
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", branch "KONEK Tchaikovsky" 190.12 4 4
4 nick RYABININ
Moscow CSKA of sshor of them. S. A. Zhuka 189.67 3 5
5 Maya LAME
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", office "Crystal" 189.59 9 2
6 Varvara KISSEL
Krasnodar region, FC PSC 184.53 5 6
7 Camilla NELYUBOVA
Krasnodar region, PSC on FC 179.88 8 7
8 Valeria OVCHINNIKOVA
St. Petersburg, SSHOR "Star ice" 170.64 14 8
9 Stanislav MOLCHANOV
Krasnodar Krai, SH on FC and X 169.94 6 10
10 Maria DMITRIEVA
St. Petersburg, SSHOR "Star ice" 168.26 10 9
Berestovskaya tried 4T, Dmitrieva tried 3A

https://fsrussia.ru/results/1920/3etap/opMC__Scores.pdf

I thought Maiia Khromykh was there?

 

[Sugar Coated]

No, it was a conspiracy of at least two people to take the Russians down. Keep up.

As an American, I agree the judging was pretty shady. I won’t go so far as to say it’s to “take the Russians down” but definitely hold them back to potentially give others an opening to win. Alina’s deduction was just ridiculous in my opinion.

 

[Mishaminion]

Despite a plenty of enemies plotting against them some people (and countries) are still exist. That doesn't mean they have no enemies plotting against them.

I dont see any enemies plotting against them

 

[Nord Stream 2]

I thought Maiia Khromykh was there?

5 Maya Khromyih
Moscow, TSO "Sambo-70", office "Crystal" 189.59 9 2