2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[zounger]

So, I think her design could be: 4Lz + 3toe, 4Lz, 2A, 2A, 3F + 3Loop, 3F+2T+2L, 3Sal. What do you think?

I don't think there is anything to change in her layout. The layout is fine she can work more in all aspects of her skating and improve. Congratulations to Anna for making GPF in her first senior season by winning both her events.

 

[karina17]

So, I think her design could be: 4Lz + 3toe, 4Lz, 2A, 2A, 3F + 3Loop, 3F+2T+2L, 3Sal. What do you think?

Good plan, but even if she gets ! on her Lutz, it would still be much more profitable to do 3F+1Eu+3S and then 3Lz at the end (so three triples and an Euler instead of two triples and two doubles). She would lose a lot of BV having one triple missing like that, much more than the GOE reduction from one ! call.

It's not like she's got an inside edge and is getting 'e' calls, she's only getting '!'. So she doesn't lose any BV, just a bit of GOE.

 

[nussnacker]

Good plan, but even if she gets ! on her Lutz, it would still be much more profitable to do 3F+1Eu+3S and then 3Lz at the end (so three triples and an Euler instead of two triples and two doubles). She would lose a lot of BV having one triple missing like that, much more than the GOE reduction from one ! call.

It's not like she's got an inside edge and is getting 'e' calls, she's only getting '!'. So she doesn't lose any BV, just a bit of GOE.

That’s, unless she gets an edge call on her flip though. With tech callers these days, you never know.

 

[Elaine]

Good plan, but even if she gets ! on her Lutz, it would still be much more profitable to do 3F+1Eu+3S and then 3Lz at the end (so three triples and an Euler instead of two triples and two doubles). She would lose a lot of BV having one triple missing like that, much more than the GOE reduction from one ! call.

It's not like she's got an inside edge and is getting 'e' calls, she's only getting '!'. So she doesn't lose any BV, just a bit of GOE.

You're right. There's no point replacing 3Lz with doubles only to avoid "!" calls.
The "!" call on 3 Lutzes doesn't hurt the score much. The "!" call on 4 Lutzes DOES hurt much (almost 2.5-3 points per each) but it's difficult to replace 4Lz at this point unless she has stable 4F.

I think the best way is to keep the current layout and pray for lenient judging on jump edges.

 

[Resa]

You're right. There's no point replacing 3Lz with doubles only to avoid "!" calls.
The "!" call on 3 Lutzes doesn't hurt the score much. The "!" call on 4 Lutzes DOES hurt much (almost 2.5-3 points per each) but it's difficult to replace 4Lz at this point unless she has stable 4F.

I think the best way is to keep the current layout and pray for lenient judging on jump edges.

I don't get it, when Anna has flat/Inside edge on her lutz, why not just let her jump a real 4F? She would avoid calls. And that wouldake the scoring equal

 

[grem]

GP USA: Anna jumps 5 Lz's - 0 edge calls.
Three weeks later.
GP China: Anna jumps 5 Lz's - 5 edge calls.

Now tell me about "conspiracy theory"...

 

[silveruskate]

You're right. There's no point replacing 3Lz with doubles only to avoid "!" calls.
The "!" call on 3 Lutzes doesn't hurt the score much. The "!" call on 4 Lutzes DOES hurt much (almost 2.5-3 points per each) but it's difficult to replace 4Lz at this point unless she has stable 4F.

I think the best way is to keep the current layout and pray for lenient judging on jump edges.

Anna is still scoring well going 150+, but she won't be able to compete with the rest of the 4A with these calls. Alina has in my opinion the two best choreographed programs and performance, Aliona has a 3A in her SP. Sasha can overcome the gap in the FS with 100 TES, but even if Anna scored 160 then Alina/Aliona could stay ahead in total.

 

[silveruskate]

I don't get it, when Anna has flat/Inside edge on her lutz, why not just let her jump a real 4F? She would avoid calls. And that wouldake the scoring equal

I'm not sure you are allowed to do a Lutz entry for a Flip but I don't really know.

 

[grem]

I don't get it, when Anna has flat/Inside edge on her lutz, why not just let her jump a real 4F? She would avoid calls. And that wouldake the scoring equal

Alyona was called both 3Lz! and 3F! at France GP. You never know...

 

[Arbitrary]

I'm not sure you are allowed to do a Lutz entry for a Flip but I don't really know.

AFAIK quad flip is more problematic jump. Quad loop is even worse.
I asked myself why Sasha even bother with that problematic 4S and cheap 4T if she can better spend her time on two lutzes and two flips?

No, she cannot. Those jumps are too demanding.
She succeeded to backlog two 4T combos. Pretty good achievement for a female skater. Not many male skaters can backlog two quads.

 

[grem]

I asked myself why Sasha even bother with that problematic 4S and cheap 4T if she can better spend her time on two lutzes and two flips?

Because it's not allowed by the rules?

 

[silveruskate]

You wouldn't think it from some of the comments, but this is Liza's second best FS score in international ISU mandated competitions in her entire career so far. Technically she is peaking.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I noticed that too. Suddenly everyone became a lipper (and not just in juniors) while flutzes were called according to TP's mood. This inconsistency is indeed harmful. Protocols should tell skaters what elements are good and where they can improve so they don't have to change layouts in the middle of the season.

While it's unlikely that a skater would be both a lipper and a flutzer, if they take off from both with a flat edge then they could fairly get "!" calls on on flip and the lutz. The only Eteri senior that seems to get on a true outside edge every time is Sasha; the others don't get a deep outside on any of their lutzes.

 

[Arbitrary]

Because it's not allowed by the rules?

Allowed, why not.
If properly mixed with combos.
But Sasha wants quads in backlog. For now she can do only 4T with heavy legs.

 

[fabienne1996]

GP USA: Anna jumps 5 Lz's - 0 edge calls.
Three weeks later.
GP China: Anna jumps 5 Lz's - 5 edge calls.

Now tell me about "conspiracy theory"...

Her edge was flat here on all 4 jumps and the calls were fair. And this panel was stricter than in amerika. But stop with that silly conspiracy theorie

 

[klena]

Four down
#fourdowntwotogo

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4psDfBiFCW/

 

[grem]

Allowed, why not.

It's not allowed to repeat two different quads.

 

[Arbitrary]

It's not allowed to repeat two different quads.

That I didn't know. Do you have a ref to rules?

Edit: found here:

https://www.isu.org/figure-skating/rules/sandp-handbooks-faq

 

[grem]

Her edge was flat here on all 4 jumps and the calls were fair. And this panel was stricter than in amerika. But stop with that silly conspiracy theorie

No, her edge was fine here on all 4 jumps and the calls were not fair. Panels in the USA amd Italy were fair.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

That I didn't know. Do you have a ref to rules?

This rule was added right after the Olympics.

"Of all triple and quadruple jumps only two (2) can be executed twice. Of the two repetitions only one (1) can be a quadruple jump."
From the tech panels handbook.

This rule is not new. Has been here for two seasons now.