2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[ruga]

Wasn't it Sasha's team who stepped in and told her to change her 3Lz-3L combo in the SP? So much for forcing skaters to do things they don't want to do at the expense of their health and well being.
She still attempted it in the FS though lol

Sasha is stubborn

I remember reading an interview where her one of her coaches said that she could jump all day if they let her she herself has said that jumps are her favorite part of figure skating. Both her ability and passion for jumping really pays off with the current rules.

I wonder if her team will tell her to remove 4S. It replaces her 3F and with the mistakes she has made recently it can be very risky to include it in GPF layout.

 

[MMisMis]

Sasha's poodle puppy

https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagra...=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=103


Restless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaVdJR0hzss&feature=youtu.be

 

[Edwin]

Sasha's poodle puppy

https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagra...=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=103

Hopefully it is a kind and gentle dog that doesn't grow too big. Real French Poodle's are large and powerful, with strong characters that need a very firm hand in their masters.

What will happen to Tina now, displaced by this new comer?

And indeed Aleksandra, Daniil and Sof'ya cleared the ice of those streamers so they could try throwing some ultra-si skills, brave kids, for them, jumping quads is just a game ;-)

 

[GINO]

Sasha's poodle puppy

https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagra...=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=103

I don’t know what’s wrong with me, but looking at this video I smell 3A

 

[Vlad Karigov]

Restless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaVdJR0hzss&feature=youtu.be

This girl is amazing, she doesn't mind going out in the photo or video as a diva like others, she just cares about jumping. His only interest was to clean the ice to continue jumping, the winners are in the middle celebrating and she aside training her jumps and making sure that the track will be clean. This girl is on another level.

 

[Tolstoj]

I'd like to raise an argument here that is maybe controversial, but something i think we should discuss more because i feel it will be a real point of contention a year from now.

Sasha Trusova winning Rostelecom Cup was truly great with Eteri's team keeping the winning streak.

However, we are getting closer to the 2020 summit where apparently ISU will re-discuss some of the potential changes to the rules, including the components score.

Seeing Trusova and Samarin winning here, and getting those components a bit higher than what they really deserve (especially for Samarin in my opinion), because of the quads, it's like Russia is clearly sending the message that they only care about jumps, and this is going to reinforce that silly biased narrative of

"the russians are all jumps, all about the quads, no artistry, they win only because the system doesn't reward artistry as much".


We all know this is nonsense, there are definitely artistic russian skaters, but with these scores it's like RusFed is self-admitting the skaters who win the technical game will always be better for them, regardless of the other mark. In the men's event was almost like an own goal to me probably more than the ladies.

That said Trusova absolutely deserved to win, components were maybe a little too high, but in comparison between her and a clean Shcherbakova, i'd probably choose Anna because it's not only about the quads, while if you look at the scores, ISU judges are definitely going to give it to Trusova due to the technical advantage, and you know some people are not going to be happy about it.

 

[MMisMis]

Hopefully it is a kind and gentle dog that doesn't grow too big. Real French Poodle's are large and powerful, with strong characters that need a very firm hand in their masters.

What will happen to Tina now, displaced by this new comer?

And indeed Aleksandra, Daniil and Sof'ya cleared the ice of those streamers so they could try throwing some ultra-si skills, brave kids, for them, jumping quads is just a game ;-)

Tina's favorite, very favorite. There was a video of her in America choosing an outfit for her

 

[Nord Stream 2]

like you said Sasha and her team especially her parents need to find the right balance and play the long game as you put it. I still haven't fully recovered from Adelina and Yulia being competitively done by 18. I hate to sound like a broken record or be like a cat chasing its tail but there's no reason for Dashs to do four quads at some of these competitions.

On a side note I hate to see some of the negativity she's getting online. I hope she is shielded from it.

Anything can be, maybe they will change the program.

But .. even on Rostelecom, the difference between the weak content of Zhenya and the maximum male set of Sasha in the end was less than 9 points.

In a short program, Zhenya can transfer combo to a bonus, then the amount will be +1.5 points.
A good 3Lz is another + 3 points.
FCSp3 change to FCSp4 is still about + 0.8 points.
3S + 3Lo transfer to bonus = +0.7 points.

1.5 + 3 + 0.7 + 0.8 = 6

The Federation can easily give the world champion at the Russian Championship an extra 3 PCS points in two programs.

This is ....

The end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
I'll never look into ETERI eyes again


This I calculated the difference with Zhenya.

In GPF, Sasha will compete with more serious rivals.
Imagine if Anna adds 4F or prepares 3A earlier.
Or if the judges give Alena the deserved maximum components.
Also, there is Alina with her 82 + 155 and Rika with 3A and components.

The sky on Sasha’s head is not as cloudless as it seems to us now.

 

[Mathman]

However, we are getting closer to the 2020 summit where apparently ISU will re-discuss some of the potential changes to the rules, including the components score.

I hate to be pessimistic before the fact, but I think that the ISU will be hard pressed to come up with a meaningful solution to the Code of Points dilemma.

The basic idea of the ISU judging system is to give out points for the hardest tricks. A triple Lutz gets more points than a triple Salchow because it is harder. A quad gets more points than a triple. A jump gets more points than an Ina Bauer. "Skating pretty" -- that outdated concept went out with the dinosaurs, and good riddance. (Today's skaters trick the system by skating pretty anyway.)

I think we are at the same crossroads that the sport faced in the 1970s when high tech (in those days, the ability to trace school figures with stunning accuracy) overwhelmed every other consideration. The rebels in the ISU (led by Sonia Bianchetti) took on the conservatives and ultimately came up with a restructuring that audiences, especially TV audiences, liked better.

The "artistry" folks have a tougher row to hoe this time around because there is no consensus about "what the audience likes." Some people assume that the audience is enthusiastic for jumps. Higher, faster, stronger. Others ridicule this assumption.

 

[Thrashergurl]

Medvedeva’s “weak content “ had her currently as the #4 highest scoring Russian ladies skater. This is according to the ISU results. Maybe this will change after NHK, but I would hardly call her content weak. Maybe you’re a new skating fan, but chances are all of Eteri’s girls landing quads after they grow, mature...may be slim. I hope you’re still supporting those girls as individuals and not bashing them all over these boards. Look how the Japanese women are struggling with consistency—nothing is a guarantee with skating, technique, body changes.....the list goes on.

Why can’t some posters be unbiased, less cruel and happy for all the skaters. ?

 

[Nord Stream 2]

I'd like to raise an argument here that is maybe controversial, but something i think we should discuss more because i feel it will be a real point of contention a year from now.

Sasha Trusova winning Rostelecom Cup was truly great with Eteri's team keeping the winning streak.

However, we are getting closer to the 2020 summit where apparently ISU will re-discuss some of the potential changes to the rules, including the components score.

Seeing Trusova and Samarin winning here, and getting those components a bit higher than what they really deserve (especially for Samarin in my opinion), because of the quads, it's like Russia is clearly sending the message that they only care about jumps, and this is going to reinforce that silly biased narrative of

"the russians are all jumps, all about the quads, no artistry, they win only because the system doesn't reward artistry as much".


We all know this is nonsense, there are definitely artistic russian skaters, but with these scores it's like RusFed is self-admitting the skaters who win the technical game will always be better for them, regardless of the other mark. In the men's event was almost like an own goal to me probably more than the ladies.

That said Trusova absolutely deserved to win, components were maybe a little too high, but in comparison between her and a clean Shcherbakova, i'd probably choose Anna because it's not only about the quads, while if you look at the scores, ISU judges are definitely going to give it to Trusova due to the technical advantage, and you know some people are not going to be happy about it.

Therefore, the program has four quads. Over time, there will be a fifth and 3A.

Eteri will treat the ISU until it cures.

The first pill was Alena, who received good components before performing 3A in competitions.
Now, with Alena's 3A, the judges will have to explain the difference with Rika in the cost of the components if this difference occurs.
Total: Alina already has high components. Alena needs to put no less.

Daniil Samsonov will be the next pill.

 

[Nord Stream 2]

Medvedeva’s “weak content “ had her currently as the #4 highest scoring Russian ladies skater. This is according to the ISU results. Maybe this will change after NHK, but I would hardly call her content weak. Maybe you’re a new skating fan, but chances are all of Eteri’s girls landing quads after they grow, mature...may be slim. I hope you’re still supporting those girls as individuals and not bashing them all over these boards. Look how the Japanese women are struggling with consistency—nothing is a guarantee with skating, technique, body changes.....the list goes on.

Why can’t some posters be unbiased, less cruel and happy for all the skaters. ?

I'm sorry if I offended. My English is bad.

In Cristal, its content is considered weak.

 

[SkateSkates]

Wasn’t Sasha getting a poodle contingent on her landing a 3A? Pretty sure she said it in a video interview with the Olympic Channel after Skate Canada, so I wonder if she has now landed it in practice... there are only 3 weeks until GPF so it might be too soon to see the 3A then, but there is a long gap between Euros and Worlds....hmm

 

[Tolstoj]

Therefore, the program has four quads. Over time, there will be a fifth and 3A.

Eteri will treat the ISU until it cures.

The first pill was Alena, who received good components before performing 3A in competitions.
Now, with Alena's 3A, the judges will have to explain the difference with Rika in the cost of the components if this difference occurs.
Total: Alina already has high components. Alena needs to put no less.

Daniil Samsonov will be the next pill.

Yeah but because of this narrative of "it's getting all about jumps" you'll see proposals in favour of weighting more artistry at least in the free.

If that is the case (as of now we don't really know what the final decision would be) it doesn't matte how many quads Trusova is going to land, she may loses on one of the two programs that is more about the artistry and less about jumps.

Eteri is only working the system, she'll have skaters that suits more the new rules regardless, I think there was maybe a missed opportunity from RusFed to send the feedback that they agree complete package wins over a jumping machine.

 

[Thrashergurl]

I'm sorry if I offended. My English is bad.

In Cristal, its content is considered weak.

You don’t offend me at all. You’re obviously a very young skating fan that is emotionally invested in one skater and hates another. I actually feel sorry for people that hate the skaters they don’t even know.

 

[ec00834]

You don’t offend me at all. You’re obviously a very young skating fan that is emotionally invested in one skater and hates another. I actually feel sorry for people that hate the skaters they don’t even know.

But isn't that what you do towards Team Tutberidze skaters?

 

[Thrashergurl]

Not sure I’m bashing any of Eteri’s skaters on this board. I like all the skaters and don’t care about who their coach is. Just because I’m not bashing non Eteri skaters doesn’t mean I dislike Eteri skaters. I like skaters from all countries.

 

[elizabetha]

But the main problem with artristry is, that it's highly subjective. Someone can love Alyona more as a artist, someone Anna, Alexandra, Alina or Zhenya and you can't say to anyone that one is objectively better than other, because what you find as a artistict perfection can be boring or tacky or ugly to other. I know people who don't care about jumping and they like Sasha the best even as a performer, because something in her skating is speaking to them.
So I think there shouldn't be more weight on artistry because no one will ever be happy with it either way, because everyone see art differently. If people like someone a lot they will be dissapointed, if their fave is not given the best pcs scores, because for them they are the best and how come the judges don't see it etc. And it will be still the same old, maybe even worse with more cries, that skater one didn't deserve their points, that skater number two was clearly better and the judging is biased and corrupt.

 

[ec00834]

Anna is the weakest of the Russian senior ladies, and not even a costume change can hide those weaknesses. She might be the one...

So saying Zhenya has weak content is considered "hate" but saying Anna does isn't?

 

[Nord Stream 2]

You don’t offend me at all. You’re obviously a very young skating fan that is emotionally invested in one skater and hates another. I actually feel sorry for people that hate the skaters they don’t even know.

Yes you are right. I started watching in 2016.

But you are mistaken about hating. Especially to Zhenya Medvedeva. She brought us more medals than I can raise. Why should I hate her?

In the story of Eteri, I am on the side of Eteri. But I also understand the little touchy girl who listened to her enemies who used her in their games.

I am very happy about her victory yesterday.
But if Zhenya is wrong, if she goes the wrong way, then I will criticize her.

She is mine, she must be the best of the best.

Russians always have this: we will convince a foreigner for two hours that everything is bad in our country. And when he agrees with us, we will hit him in the face for it.

No one can offend ours, except us.

Because we offend with love and care.