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Seems you are ignoring Kamila and Ksenia. Not to speak about recent performances of Daria. It is not necessary to maintain the myth about sending someone back to juniors for the price of "correcting" the reality.
2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Seems you are ignoring Kamila and Ksenia. Not to speak about recent performances of Daria. It is not necessary to maintain the myth about sending someone back to juniors for the price of "correcting" the reality.
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So true! They (all Russian juniors in general, in all categories) were so awful that they could manage to get only 3 spots out of 6 in 'men', 4 out of 6 in 'ladies', 5 out of 6 in 'pairs', and 3 out of 6 in 'ice dance'. Only 17 out of total 24. Just pathetic.
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I agree that our juniors can skate better than they did. But who are "some of the Japanese"?
Literally every JGP Russian lady medalled at her assigned event, aside from a 4th from Maia. Tarakanova and Frolova were weaker, but most likely wouldn't be the ones going to Junior Worlds anyway (and if they end up going, that'd be because they showed dramatic improvements). Kamila and Ksenia did not lose to anyone/any non-Russians, and could very well go 1-2 at Junior Worlds. Daria lost to Haein, but has improved drastically. Even Maia debuted a 4S that could very well land her on the team. The juniors do not need Anna. RusFed would not send Anna back down to juniors just to beat Alysa, when she has bigger fish to beat in seniors.
Besides, Anna being sent back down to juniors would have zero upside and many downsides. If she wins, umm good for her for beating the juniors? Not very impressive, regardless of how strong Kamila and Alysa are. But if she loses, yikes she was purposefully sent back down to juniors to win yet still lost. That would not do her any favors when she inevitably has to go back up to seniors, all the while Sasha and Alena would potentially be winning senior world medals.
Edit: And although RusFed had precedence in sending a lady to both Junior and Senior Worlds (Stasya), Stasya was sent up from Juniors to Seniors, and not the other way around. She skated on the JGP that season and only skated senior in the CS series (which was common for Russian junior ladies to attend). She performed well at Junior Nationals and was therefore assigned to Junior Worlds. After Zhenya decided not to attend Worlds, Stasya (being next in line based on Nationals rankings) was then sent to Senior Worlds since she was age eligible to go up.
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All this talk about Anna and the juniors is a big nonsense, excuse me for the harshness of my words. Anna faced the biggest resistance in her debut competitions. Starting with Lombardy, and both of her GP the judges were extremely demanding of her. And just because of that, her assessment is now lower than that of Sasha and Alena. Anna was able to withstand enormous pressure, she did not make a single serious mistake on the ice, I am simply amazed at the strength of her character. These girls, I'm talking about 3A, go on the ice with one goal - to realize all their capabilities and win. These days they have roughly equal chances of winning, I think. What will be will be.
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Anna was judged fair. I’m certain her coaches paid attention to these scores and have been working with her. Trusova and Alena are the top Russian girls. I would always put Alena ahead of Trusova, despite her quads, due to Alena’s skating skills and overall abilities— but the quads give those points. Anna is not on this level. She will fight for bronze this season. If she fails to land her quad she won’t even be in the mix for bronze unless the other girls falter.
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No, she wasn't. Here is very interesting statistics to illustrate that:
https://tinyurl.com/rudvg4t
Yes, the article is in Russian (you can use Google translate though) - but what's important is the last spreadsheet there showing how much increment in PCS and GOEs skaters are getting when they are transferring from juniors to seniors. You can say that it's common and expected trend for all time the current ISU judging system exists that each and every skater are getting significant increase in these parameters - and the better skaters are - the better the increase. It was the trend until this season though. You can easily see that all new Russian supertrio are being held by judges with all their might. Moreover, Anna Scherbakova scores even begin to get negative trend - meaning that she is getting worse than she was in juniors
Here is just this data for example:https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/7/0a/4cf0611fe11ea907ac00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
It definitely makes you wonder what's going on.. :think:
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They’re no longer on the junior level though. Different expectations for seniors. I’m certain Eteri is making improvements. You can see the difference in qualify between Anna and the senior girls. Look at Alena- she is a superstar. Anna needs improving. She’s a sweet, cute girl. But they didn’t package her very well this season. Her program highlights junior qualities. Yes, she has the quad. What happens if she doesn’t hit it? What does she have to rely on?
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You should know that you're not helping Aliona by enduring and pointless bashing Anna (and Sasha too). It's unfortunately a trend now that part of the fans are blatantly speaking nonsense about Anna, some also about Sasha and others. "Superstar" is no quality evaluated by the rules, it's just subjective title having no importance for talking about qualities. This is not hollywood where the title superstar has maybe some validity, this is sport and from the angle of sport qualities there is nothing that would force Anna to bow to the queen of your heart. To be clear, the movement range is the biggest with Anna from all 3A and her performing and interpretation qualities don't lag behind. She rotates fast, she stabilized her quads amazingly (I don't know why she shouldn't "hit it" more than Aliona would hit trixels). In comparison with other top skaters there is no reason why keeping her artificially on low PCS. Of course she is not absolutely perfect in her only 15, but she is as perfect as she can be.
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Feisty
But I do agree with you, at the end of the day, she is only 15 and what she is doing is amazing
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I remember reading posts like this last year after the JGPF and then Anna went on to win Senior Nats....I guess some people will never learn :sarcasm:
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Some people do not want to learn, they do not need to learn. For known only to them reasons they have made up their minds. Good news though is that at least old timers here know these people by names - there are not that many of them these days.
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What? That is absolutely insane. 5 of 6 pairs? Wow. Maybe they will be in position to win the team gold at the next Olympics. It seems Russia even has some depth and quality in dance and pairs and even men believe it or not.
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Why are people criticizing Anna? She is truly a ballerina on ice and she has won her first two grand prix events relatively easily. Same with Sasha and Alyiona. Anna without question is even greater as a senior and she was as a junior. There is no way she should be doing any Junior events.
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When I watched off ice dance practices of 3A dancing together, Anna looks as the best dancer though to me personally, at least on the floor.
Alyona is very graceful, it's very natural, but when they did that techno Ed Sheeran dance, I felt like Anna could move sharper and more precise, but also had more fluidity in her arms.
I think what makes her different is that she can dance any genre well, and has a special quality to feel music and the accents.
Alyona is very graceful, it's very natural, but when they did that techno Ed Sheeran dance, I felt like Anna could move sharper and more precise, but also had more fluidity in her arms.
I think what makes her different is that she can dance any genre well, and has a special quality to feel music and the accents.
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https://amp.championat.com/other/ne...vmestnyj-nomer.html?__twitter_impression=true
Elizaveta and Elena did a promotion for Frozen two. It is a beautiful video and at this point I am just begging for Elena to return to compete.
You can really feel the genuiness of their friendship in this shoer routine, it is beautiful
Elizaveta and Elena did a promotion for Frozen two. It is a beautiful video and at this point I am just begging for Elena to return to compete.
You can really feel the genuiness of their friendship in this shoer routine, it is beautiful
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No, she wasn't. Here is very interesting statistics to illustrate that:
https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/badmotherfucker/2650923.html
Yes, the article is in Russian (you can use Google translate though) - but what's important is the last spreadsheet there showing how much increment in PCS and GOEs skaters are getting when they are transferring from juniors to seniors. You can say that it's common and expected trend for all time the current ISU judging system exists that each and every skater are getting significant increase in these parameters - and the better skaters are - the better the increase. It was the trend until this season though. You can easily see that all new Russian supertrio are being held by judges with all their might. Moreover, Anna Scherbakova scores even begin to get negative trend - meaning that she is getting worse than she was in juniors
https://i.trbna.com/preset/wysiwyg/7/0a/4cf0611fe11ea907ac00fb2d7bd36.jpeg
It definitely makes you wonder what's going on.. :think:
She is judged fairly for what she puts on the ice, she is not judged fairly, however, compared to other top skaters who receive an increase in scores when they transition to seniors.
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Yes, among the current juniors there is a huge depth in all cathegories in Russia, no longer only in ladies and pairs (though those are still significant). Three russian boys in the finals speak about new hope for russian men in the future, and also consider that e.g. Danielian didn't make it to the finals only narrowly. Three russian ice dance teams are among the favorites and you can count Georgians Kazakova/Reviya as fourth.
This success came even when potentionally strongest russian junior ice dancers (Ushakova/Nekrasov) had to withdraw from JGP series due to injury. And pairs were close to full russian finals (BTW last season there were five russian pairs in the finals as well).
