2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

As for the 3A, you see them in the situation Alina was before the olympics - winning everything, seemingly unbeatable. The stress, the expectations to repeat their successes, the impact of some some not exactly frinedly "fans of figure skating", the impact of growth, all that still lies before them. As I am a fan of 3A, I think I can say the true challenge lies still before them. It looks easy when you are at the summit, but the true strength of the character shows rather in the situation when the things are not so good. It's not in the "winning everything", it's about how you can accept the failure and ability to rise again. So, for the comparisons of the strong mind between Alina and her younger challengers, or for the spread between good and bad skates, is still too soon.

This was also discussed in Sport Express live stream with Natal'ya Bestemyanova. Tutberidze's Terrific Trio of Awesomely Amazing Aces has won everything so far 'relatively easily', only competing between themselves, wiping the floor with any and all of their competitors for like two years now. They sort of expect winning comes easy, even with small or sometimes bigger mistakes, like in last European Championships.

All of Aleksandra, Alyona and Anna said they weren't in top shape and mental strength after the stressful Russian Championships and some relaxation and show performances over the New Year. Obviously, relaxing and stepping back from high training intensity benefits their souls, spirits and emotional wellbeing, but they also noticed there was something 'missing', and they grew in length and weight due to the abundance of festive food.

The coming World Championships will be their toughest test of character yet, for the game in Montreal is of a different level compared to Europeans and the expectations from the nation are huge. Plus there might be forces at work that oppose this domination of one single rink and their wonder girls, influencing the calling and judging. So they know they must skate squeaky clean and give the judiciary no reason at all for deductions.

Their proven skating level will still keep them relatively safe, because there are only one or maybe two fellow contestants for the medals in command over ultra-si. But for the girls to be completely happy and satisfied over their skating and to be able to look back in the knowledge they were at their best, gave it their best and reaped the best rewards possible, a different order of competitive mindset will be necessary. And obviously no errors.

They won't win Worlds by skating in 'sitting back' mentality. And it is now up to Team Tutberidze to 'fire' them up again and raise them to this finely tuned psychological state required, where each is ready for combat.

There is a certain disadvantage, time difference 8 hours, the typical narrow NA rink, which means skating patterns will have to be altered, elements redistributed. Hopefully they anticipate on this by using short track cushions to narrow the rink in Khrustalniy to NA size.

 

[sisy]

Is Yana Liventseva still training with Eteri, I haven't heared of her since she switch from Buianova to Eteri?

 

[lpt]

Is Yana Liventseva still training with Eteri, I haven't heared of her since she switch from Buianova to Eteri?

No, she is with Davydov.

 

[Edwin]

Is Yana Liventseva still training with Eteri, I haven't heared of her since she switch from Buianova to Eteri?

And young Yelena Kostyleva switched the other way.

 

[Amei]

Ha. All this talk about leaving Sasha at home and sending Alina or Zhenya is just ridiculous to hear. Rusfed should be just a fool to do this with his best young skater. Leaving home a potential world champion who has every chance of winning would mean casting doubt on her entire future career. They did this with Tukt last year, but there was a completely different situation, and only by miracle Rusfed avoided a huge amount of criticism, thanks to the podium of Medvedeva. All this chatter now is just the cry of fans dreaming about what would happen if ... if ...

My post was in reference to the post I quoted that "Nationals means everything" - this year might've been an anomaly the top 3 won all all of their GP events and swept the GPF podium, then the next 2 most capable competitive skaters (mostly due to ridiculously high PCS) dropped out of Nationals and ended their seasons.

Given that there is at least 1, if not 2, spots that could be given based on a 'council'; this is a discussion that's going to come up every year - do they pick the European/World teams strictly based on Nationals results or do they let 'body of work' come into play and put someone on the team over a podium finisher at Nationals.

 

[Vilord]

But which chocolate is your favorite?

I dont know we dont have ritter in swden so ive never had it. But I like salted almonds or mink choklate

 

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Guys, I have a question which is not much connected to russian ladies in fs, but I dont want to create new thread for trivial thing. We want to visit Moscow in half of september and I was wondering if there will be some fs event there in september?
Also, I would like to know, if somebody have experience, its good idea to buy tickets to museums and attractions through internet, or its not so crowded there in half of september? I wouldnt be happy to spent half of week in rows for tickets.

I don't think that there are any competitions of interest. But the last 2 years Russian test skates were held in Moscow in September and those are very big deal. As for museums and attractions there are no big crowds - you just go there. The only exception is when they have special exhibitions. I remember when there was a big exhibition of Shagal in Pushkin museum the lines were atrocious. There were no online tickets then. Right now the biggest exhibition is Dali. They report lines. I visited already his museum in Spain that's why I am not in hurry now. But with online tickets you surely won't wait long.

 

[Jontor]

Nop.
Maximized attempted Sasha's FP is the winner.
Unfortunately we're yet to see it.
Five quads are the five quads and three quads are only three. And four different quads vs two different quads this is to decide.

Judges would not dare to kill clean Sasha with her usual dead PCS.

I don't know what you exactly mean, but yes, a clean 5 quad program from Sasha will win everything. But that is an almost impossible task.
And if she goes down to 4 quads she will only match her teammates.

A lot of people were convinced that Sasha would kill the competition this season and win everything. Well, it turned out not to be true. Her teammates have creeped up behind her and can match her very well.
And if you do the math, a clean Sasha would only have won GPF, RusNats and Europeans if the others made mistakes.

 

[LRK]

I dont know we dont have ritter in swden so ive never had it. But I like salted almonds or mink choklate

Ritter Sport? If that is what is being discussed, then, yeah, we do.

 

[Arbitrary]

I don't know what you exactly mean, but yes, a clean 5 quad program from Sasha will win everything. But that is an almost impossible task.
And if she goes down to 4 quads she will only match her teammates.

A lot of people were convinced that Sasha would kill the competition this season and win everything. Well, it turned out not to be true. Her teammates have creeped up behind her and can match her very well.
And if you do the math, a clean Sasha would only have won GPF, RusNats and Europeans if the others made mistakes.

No.
Clean Sasha with her attempted SP (3Ax included) and FP (5 quads of 4 kinds) would win Bronze in Worlds. Among men. Even against "all clean" which is unlikely.
Ok, maybe 4th place, maybe 2nd...

Two backlogged quads...

 

[KOBOT37]

Alina Skated at show in Dobrograd.

There is two footages, one by Sport express (she landed 3 lutz and fell from 3 Flip) and other from Rodina (she was there, even pictured with Alina) which seems to be clean

https://youtu.be/7-IYOBff8xc
https://youtu.be/697nl7MLUK8

anyways I doubt any of these are any sort of indication of her shape, she just got there from Switzerland right before skates.

 

[halulupu]

Alina Skated at show in Dobrograd.

There is two footages, one by Sport express (she landed 3 lutz and fell from 3 Flip) and other from Rodina (she was there, even pictured with Alina) which seems to be clean

https://youtu.be/7-IYOBff8xc
https://youtu.be/697nl7MLUK8

anyways I doubt any of these are any sort of indication of her shape, she just got there from Switzerland right before skates.

I disagree. Lutz was ur and double footed, no transition into flip, fall... She clearly isnt't in a competitive shape-have a closer look. But she doesn't need to now. She deserved to enjoy herself a little as every 18 year old women/girl

 

[Vilord]

Ritter Sport? If that is what is being discussed, then, yeah, we do.

Ok then Ive just never seen it.

 

[KOBOT37]

I disagree. Lutz was ur and double footed, no transition into flip, fall... She clearly isnt't in a competitive shape-have a closer look. But she doesn't need to now. She deserved to enjoy herself a little as every 18 year old women/girl

It was on open ice, in freezing weather.

She just got back to Russia from Switzerland after shows and is going to go back to Switzerland soon.

Also ice and rink condition doesn't seem to be perfect.

Judging her (or anyone's) shape from skate in this conditions (second skate was normal, but that doesn't mean much either) is impossible.

 

[flanker]

I disagree. Lutz was ur and double footed, no transition into flip, fall... She clearly isnt't in a competitive shape-have a closer look. But she doesn't need to now. She deserved to enjoy herself a little as every 18 year old women/girl

I disagree with your disagreement. On the second event just two hours after the first one she was perfectly clean:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKYYrV5xHls

She just flew there from Switzerland with little to no time for preparation, skating on a very bad ice. But she adapted fast. Though, some always rather choose the worst

 

[Edwin]

Stephan Lambiel will work with Tuktamysheva on staging programs for the next season: https://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sport...Tuktamysheva_budet_rabotat_s_novymi_trenerami

“ Now there is already a general idea of what programs I'll skate next season. We already had a conversation with Alexey Nikolayevich that I will have one of my programs staged by Stefan Lambiel, and the second with Anna Capellini and Luca Lanotte. Will there be other directors? I don’t know yet ”, Tuktamysheva said in an interview with Channel One.

“ I just told Alexey Mishin how much I like Lisa, how much I love her skating.” And as soon as I spoke about it, he said: “Come on, you will help her with her programs.” I was delighted. I look forward to the moment when I can make the best program for her. She has excellent skating, speed, direction of movement. I like what she does. It is an honour to work with her and help her with the programs.

 

[Arbitrary]

Sport vs Art is a long talk, and we should not decide on Alina being in her good or bad shape to compete. Her season is over.

BTW Tuktamisheva clearly stated few days ago that "her" season is over too. She's still the 1st subst for the WC but only if really needed.

 

[Deripashka]

I don't think that there are any competitions of interest. But the last 2 years Russian test skates were held in Moscow in September and those are very big deal. As for museums and attractions there are no big crowds - you just go there. The only exception is when they have special exhibitions. I remember when there was a big exhibition of Shagal in Pushkin museum the lines were atrocious. There were no online tickets then. Right now the biggest exhibition is Dali. They report lines. I visited already his museum in Spain that's why I am not in hurry now. But with online tickets you surely won't wait long.

Thank you very much. I think I buy online tickets into Kremlin and State historical museum and other tickets I will buy on the spot.
To see test skates on own eyes would be awsome, Im going to investigate that :scard7:

 

[Lzbee]

As for the 3A, you see them in the situation Alina was before the olympics - winning everything, seemingly unbeatable. The stress, the expectations to repeat their successes, the impact of some not exactly frinedly "fans of figure skating", the impact of growth, all that still lies before them. As I am a fan of 3A, I think I can say the true challenge lies still before them. It looks easy when you are at the summit, but the true strength of the character shows rather in the situation when the things are not so good. It's not in the "winning everything", it's about how you can accept the failure and ability to rise again. So, for the comparisons of the strong mind between Alina and her younger challengers, or for the spread between good and bad skates, is still too soon.

I think it's been a great advantage to the 3Aces to have come to seniors at the same time. They've been constantly winning and losing against each other for almost 3 years now so hopefully, it will be less of a shock to the system when younger skaters come on the scene and beat them. If Alena was born a month earlier and had gone senior last season, I think she would've struggled a lot more this season since she would've had to maintain top position and learn the 3A, assuming she could beat Alina without a 3A which is a big if.

Alina dealt with puberty very well last season but she didn't need to up her tech content to win, similarly with Evgenia who was only really pushed when Alina came on the scene. The 3A are already constantly upping their tech content against each other so any newcomers with better tech shouldn't phase them too much or at least they wouldn't be upsetting the status quo since there kind of isn't one.

I don't read anybody's mind to tell whether there was some purpose to pair Aliona precisely with Anna, but I also don't see it as that Aliona was "sacrificed", when she got triple axels. And there is a questions of scorings, still, whre to me it looks rather that it was Alina who was "sacrificed a little" by ISU, like those insane time violation calls etc.

To be fair, at the start of the season after test skates, Alena didn't have a triple axel so it did look like she was going to have it the toughest out of the new seniors since she was also paired with the strongest of the veterans. It seems to me that Alina also was scored more harshly this season but with normal scoring, I think she could have beaten Alena if she had no 3A, at least at their first meeting. But I think the overall effect of being paired with Alena who did get a 3A, was worse than being paired with Sasha or Anna since she was the one who was supposed to be beatable.

Is there some junior wundekid turning senior next season? Because that could change a lot.

I think the only new top tier senior next season will be Sinitsyna but I don't think she can rival 3Aces unless she gets triple axels. She may be able to beat the veteran trio on a good day though.

 

[Vandevska]

Guys remind me, when do the GP assignments come out? June?