2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Happy Skates]

I can't recall a SP, when clean 3A skate lost to 2A skate in recent years.

Tuktamysheva's 3A performance at Finlandia lost to Kostornaia's 2A. But as others have already stated, in juniors its a whole different ballgame. A 2A is required, so the 3A replaces what would be a 3Lz, which gives only a couple points in BV advantage. Kamila has been consistently getting higher PCS, and with that combined with GOEs she could definitely beat a clean Alysa. Also, Alysa is the only junior in recent years I can remember performing a 3A in the sp (aside from Russia's domestic novices), so there haven't really been any examples for you to recall. Of course, it all comes down to who will go clean, but considering Kamila at the JGPF was only ~2 points points behind a clean Alysa when she had a turnout on her loop, she definitely could have beat her if she'd gone clean.

 

[Happy Skates]

Just for reference feel free to look at the Euro Championship SP results.

http://www.isuresults.com/results/s...------QUAL000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

You’ll notice Alena did a 3a and not a 2a. 3a fulfills the requirement to perform an axel jump in the SP

They are talking about junior requirements. Of course in seniors you can do a 3A as your axel jump. But this competition is for juniors. In juniors, a double axel is required, along with a triple loop as the solo jump this year. Therefore, the only place to get in a 3A is in the triple-triple combo. But there, its only replacing a triple lutz.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

They are talking about junior requirements. Of course in seniors you can do a 3A as your axel jump. But this competition is for juniors. In juniors, a double axel is required, along with a triple loop as the solo jump this year. Therefore, the only place to get in a 3A is in the triple-triple combo. But there, its only replacing a triple lutz.

Always hated the required solo jump in juniors. I much prefer the JGP assignments though...the way the federation can enter you into events and move you around if you’re injured or something so you don’t lose an assignment. Lots of good things about juniors but requiring a solo jump has never been one I liked.

I remember now Rika going for 3a-3t in juniors during the SP of JGPF a few years back. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Mawwerg]

Always hated the required solo jump in juniors. I much prefer the JGP assignments though...the way the federation can enter you into events and move you around if you’re injured or something so you don’t lose an assignment. Lots of good things about juniors but requiring a solo jump has never been one I liked.

I remember now Rika going for 3a-3t in juniors during the SP of JGPF a few years back. Thanks for reminding me.

Rika didn't try 3A in her SPs at JGPFs.

 

[flanker]

It makes perfect sense, because if Alysa skates cleanly, no luck in the world let Russian ladies beat her in SP.

I can't recall a SP, when clean 3A skate lost to 2A skate in recent years.

You are completely ignoring one thing. Alysa can't put her 3A instead of 2A, which would give her some 4.7 points advantage in BV. In comparison with lets say Kamila she can only put 3A instead of 3Lz in combo, which gives her only 2.1 point advantage in BV, and that can be matched by a clean program and high GOE and components. Kamila is a typical high GOE and PCS skater if skates clean, so nothing is decided before this SP.

Edit: I see Happy Skates has already explained this.

 

[flanker]

It makes perfect sense, because if Alysa skates cleanly, no luck in the world let Russian ladies beat her in SP.

Always hated the required solo jump in juniors. I much prefer the JGP assignments though...the way the federation can enter you into events and move you around if you’re injured or something so you don’t lose an assignment. Lots of good things about juniors but requiring a solo jump has never been one I liked.

I remember now Rika going for 3a-3t in juniors during the SP of JGPF a few years back. Thanks for reminding me.

If I remember correctly, in JGPF 2017 Rika did 3A only if FP, succesfully landed 3A+3T but popped the other 3A.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Always hated the required solo jump in juniors. I much prefer the JGP assignments though...the way the federation can enter you into events and move you around if you’re injured or something so you don’t lose an assignment. Lots of good things about juniors but requiring a solo jump has never been one I liked.

I remember now Rika going for 3a-3t in juniors during the SP of JGPF a few years back. Thanks for reminding me.

Rika never jumped a 3A in her SP in Juniors. I think you are mixing her up with Mao Asada who jumped a 3A+2Lo in her SP during juniors. Alysa was the first to attempt a 3A+3T in the SP in Juniors.

 

[Lunalovesskating]

Good luck to Kamila, Daria and Maiia!

 

[Azikin]

Anastasiia Shabotova also has the chance for a medal.

Apparently leaving Russian insanely difficult competitive environment doesn't exactly work out for her and Safonova... may as well have been better for them to stay in Russia and fight for their chance... Sure, they can appear in championships but I doubt they will ever shine... maybe I'm wrong, I even hope so, because I like them a lot...

 

[flanker]

Apparently leaving Russian insanely difficult competitive environment doesn't exactly work out for her and Safonova... may as well have been better for them to stay in Russia and fight for their chance... Sure, they can appear in championships but I doubt they will ever shine... maybe I'm wrong, I even hope so, because I like them a lot...

She missed one jump

 

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[Edwin]

After SP the Tutberyats are in good position.

Kamila clean, Dar’ya perhaps wished for a little more, and Maya solid too.

A good nights rest and tomorrow a fresh start in the free program finale.

With Lee and Liu also in the mix no errors whatsoever are allowed.

A Russia clean sweep is still possible, but unlikely.

We are in for an awesome final

 

[flanker]

I must say:

I really love predictions after...

 

[Tolstoj]

I hope Khromykh keeps it together in the free with the quad sal, it'd be a bit of a redemption for her when it really counts.

 

[KOBOT37]

Kamila was just... out of this world.

 

[Edwin]

The VUK Tutberyats have something which few other skaters their age have: they are hardened and toughened through frequent and high level domestic competitions. Even their training regime is highly competitive.

 

[kmw227]

Everyone did a great job today, but personally, I thought Kamila's score was a bit high. She had some minor jump issues (off-axis on loop, had to save the combo landing), and overall just wasn't as on as she normally is. I would've had her around 73, Haein around 71-72, and Daria about the same as she got. Kamila and Haein were the only two to go completely clean with no major errors, so I think the gap between them and the rest of the field should be larger.

 

[Edwin]

Did I notice correctly Svetlana Panova was with both Anastasiya Shabotova and Nelli Ioffe at the boards and in the K&C?

 

[Elucidus]

Judging was a joke, as always. They ignored huge UR on Liu's 3A (why ladies 3A URs always ignored? ) while made up false edge and UR call for Usacheva's 3F+3T combo. Yeah, she had bad landing there and the combo probably shouldn't get positive GOE - but it was rotated nevertheless. She had delayed exit on that 3T - similar to Valieva's exit on her combo, btw - but having turn on the exit while completing movement of a free leg to back - doesn't mean that the jump is still being rotated on the ice. That, and her edge was clearly inside - as far as I remember she never got flip edge calls before.

 

[Edwin]

Start order for tomorrow: Wi, Liu, Khromykh, Lee, Valiyeva, Usachyova.

Favourable for Kamila. But Dar’ya skating last again, will she like that? Her routine is perfectly suitable as finishing act