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Can you see that travelling between prefectures is not a good idea at this particular moment in time? Can you see that when the Japanese are being ASKED (not ordered) to avoid travel to other prefectures to visit the Sakura it is an incredibly short sighted to post pictures of yourself on IG enjoying the Sakura when you are a public figure and a guest in a foreign country?

Can you see that not sakura is a problem but meeting people, especially family members what is underlined in Japanese announcements? People are asked not to travel during the Golden Week because of traditional meetings with their family. It's a source of spreading the virus, not a lonely stroll in a park.


Can you see that not owning up to your motives for seeking ice rinks to train in when other people (TAT & Kurakova) are giving interviews about your reasons for being in Japan is a bad choice?

Can you see the date of Kurakova interview and remeber the particular time the interview was about? Surely when Evgenia left Toronto for Japan she expected to train before the ice show. Everybody knew it, it wasn't a secret. So you need an announcement from Evgenia now? Don't understand.

Whose health did she endanger by traveling? Who knows? We will never know.

At least a number of infected people in the Aomori prefecture is still the same: 26, in spite of Evgenia's visit...
 
Of the two of us, I'm not the one to blame for what I'm allegedly doing in this forum. E.g. very similar question as "whose health was endangered by Evgenia decision to dance in the park" could be asked about Sasha's roller skating video people didn't even know when and where it was shot (because her "controversy" had a continuation ;) ).

I don't follow ALL the "affairs" in the Russian ladies fs world :drama:, so don't know anything about the "continuation of Sasha's controversy". If it was about her roller skating, the situation is very similar to Evgenia's (with one difference: in Sasha case, as you write, "people didn't even know when and where it was shot" and in Evgenia's case all the internet's resources were searched through to find when and where it was shot :laugh:).

As for the current case, I haven't seen anything that could be considered "personal attack", at least in my book, so, no reason to defend against personal attack.

My words "Nobody attacked Sasha so no one had to defend her" surely don't translate into "You personally attack Evgenia", so I don't understand your statement :)

And, last, but not least, I like how you've ommited the last line of the quoted article.

I saw no quotation in your post I answered to and have no idea what article you talk about.
 
I don't follow ALL the "affairs" in the Russian ladies fs world :drama:, so don't know anything about the "continuation of Sasha's controversy". If it was about her roller skating, the situation is very similar to Evgenia's (with one difference: in Sasha case, as you write, "people didn't even know when and where it was shot" and in Evgenia's case all the internet's resources were searched through to find when and where it was shot :laugh:).

It's obviously no secret when and where it was shot, unwillingness to admit it doesn't count. But that's not the main problem what made people to talk about it, it was the reaction what made people to talk about it. Pure "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to harm" would spare us all this. ;)

My words "Nobody attacked Sasha so no one had to defend her" surely don't translate into "You personally attack Evgenia", so I don't understand your statement :)

While I consider it clear. I wasn't touchy BTW, didn't take it personally.

I saw no quotation in your post I answered to and have no idea what article you talk about.

Good for you.
 
The thing is were did zhenya put someone into danger, she had a mask on was alone dancing and the person who filmed it was far enough from her. So why exactly is she now again hated on? It can't be the fact that she is I the park, cause look at the background and you see in the distance other people so it's not forbidden to go out. She was to be the main star of that ice show, for all we know she had to come to Japan, cause at the time she flew to the country the ice show was still scheduled and if the manager of the show told her to come or she could loose the spot in the cast. She basically told the fans that she didn't have a choice to stay home which means she had dot go to Japan, and right now she is staying there . it was the same hate against sasha because her parents and her where on vacation in Egypt

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Can you see that not sakura is a problem

Maybe, just maybe, the problem is in the outdated notion of the Japanese that arrogance and hypocrisy aren't acceptable, when they see a person arriving in their country and first posting motivational videos about the importance of training at home and exhorting everyone to #stayhome, and then travelling around their country?
 
A general statement about travel from a Japanese official is not a statement about Zhenya. I was asking, were there any actual statements from actual Japanese official's about Zhenya's activity. I don't know of any:scratch2:

I don't see random observations on Twitter as "voices of Japanese citizens". Are there other voices? Quotes from people willing to be identified and quoted by name? Actual real polls taken?
As I said earlier, any fool and their brother can start a hashtag or post on Twitter. That means literally nothing to me.

I don't care what TAT says about anything, but Katia I am interested in. :biggrin: Where did Katia say that Zhenya told her that she traveled specifically to Japan to practice? I would be interested in seeing that.

So far, I am seeing no "bad decision" and no reason for Zhenya to apologize, so I'm glad she hasn't:)

el henry, I checked the Greek constitution and doesn't have any paragraph about el henry. Also, I asked my cousin who is a lawyer if there is any law old or new during this period about el henry. He told me there is no such law as far as he knows. We have some prefectures which have zero cases and zero deaths. Great places with beaches, mountains archeological beauties, you are welcome to come and do whatever you want. Summer just started and we all know how magical a Greek summer can be.
 
Can you see that not sakura is a problem but meeting people, especially family members what is underlined in Japanese announcements? People are asked not to travel during the Golden Week because of traditional meetings with their family. It's a source of spreading the virus, not a lonely stroll in a park.




Can you see the date of Kurakova interview and remeber the particular time the interview was about? Surely when Evgenia left Toronto for Japan she expected to train before the ice show. Everybody knew it, it wasn't a secret. So you need an announcement from Evgenia now? Don't understand.



At least a number of infected people in the Aomori prefecture is still the same: 26, in spite of Evgenia's visit...

The interview with Kurakova was published yesterday.
You are of course free to read "Zhenya went to Japan while the country was still open. She was going to spend 2 weeks in quarantine there and then skate. But now the skating rinks are closed there too." as "Znenya went to Japan while country was still open to perform later in Prism on Ice. But then the show was cancelled."

You are also free to read it as "Zhenya went to Japan for Prism on Ice, while Satoko - playing major character in the show, Japanese citizen, Jason, Yuka Sato - the show choreographer, Japanese citizen, they all didn't chose to travel to Japan for the show. But then the show got cancelled, which came as a big surprise and was totally unexpected."
 
Could it be Medvyedeva is searching for a new rink?

It is more or less two years since she broke up with Tutberidze without presenting flowers.

Hasn't BOrser once said it takes two years for the rebuilding of a skater to work out? What if FFKKR, BOrser or Medvyedeva herself decided that time is up, the plan hasn't worked and a better plan is needed?

When there would have been another row, rumour and gossip would have leaked by now. The 'I didn't have a choice' reason to abruptly leave for Japan over closing borders and into a rising pandemic cannot be a clause in a contract to a show that is still two months in the future.

This doubt will hang over her until the real reason becomes known.
 
8 million rubles from the state budget. Not a penny. :)

Sleeping beauty was state sponsored event organized by Tatiana Navka. Funding for her project was secured by Navka without any help from Zagitova (she surely doesn't need it lol).

that 8 000 000 would still be spent on that show, with or without Zagitova.

Obviously questions can arise about efficient spending of state money, but Zagitova wasn't who secured state funding, so all questions about it goes to Navka and Roskoncert.
 
I'm gonna give y'all a good tip: if you want to survive the off-season with your sanity intact, refrain from FS related material altogether. Spend time on other hobbies/ interests.

Beause at this point the thread is just :palmf:

Stay sane, Komrades! :agree:
 
Unsurprisingly, the conversation took a turn I do not wish to participate in but thank you to Finley for the detailed explanation about how the assumptions were made so I can check the facts for myself.
 
Thank you, Finley. And I’m glad to hear you and your family are doing fine.

Still what you are presenting are not facts. And I find it extremely distasteful to co-opt a pandemic, a tragedy for so many, as an opportunity for rumor mongering. Because unless there are actual facts, not conjectures that you have been citing, it is just that, rumor mongering. And I think for someone who claims to care so much about how the pandemic has affected many, you would have enough respect to not exploit in such way.

Thanks! Hope everyone stays safe and healthy!
 
Thank you, Finley. And I’m glad to hear you and your family are doing fine.

Still what you are presenting are not facts. And I find it extremely distasteful to co-opt a pandemic, a tragedy for so many, as an opportunity for rumor mongering. Because unless there are actual facts, not conjectures that you have been citing, it is just that, rumor mongering. And I think for someone who claims to care so much about how the pandemic has affected many, you would have enough respect to not exploit in such way.

Thanks! Hope everyone stays safe and healthy!

I am curious how Finley could get the facts you want? Finley collected useful information with background and links, and that in my eyes clearly outlined the chain of events. Well, as he said already, "I don't have first hand knowledge of any of this." If you really want the facts, and by chance being able to find some, please kindly share with us. Thank you in advance! :pray:
 
Zagitovas are related to "Aksenov PE", not Navka or the Rosconcert. The law prohibits the use of intermediary firms for government orders. "Aksenov PE" is used to reduce tax - 6% instead of 13%. How money is written into accounts and for whom in this company is not known.

Lmao. It is a common practice for all performers, all skaters in Russia too. Actually, it’s a common practice for many subcontractors in Europe as well in all industries, taxing for PE is typically lower than for a individual.
Want facts? Here’s a PE document for Evgenia, which she uses for „advertising, performance and other related activities“. Is she evading taxes too, since she also reserves lower tax rate then? Wanna talk about this?

https://egrul.nalog.ru/vyp-download/379D16AE3DD90FD8F1CD23C575C998FBB37C7D9EBF8F66A252D737AB1072411A3BA9B9465F8E2F9DDAD5B115D7EB5FBB95159D7890397B821B9CC8F115E434CB95159D7890397B821B9CC8F115E434CBBCB16BAC738F60D37445805AFCA321BD
 
“ Do people want mature female skating? This is not a bikini contest, that's where shapely curves are needed. ” Sharp interview with Anna Semyonovich

Debriefing in figure skating from the star of the Russian pop scene and vice-champion of Russia Anna Semenovich.

Anna Semenovich (no ё apparently)
Born March 1, 1980 in Moscow.
Russian singer, actress, television and radio host.
In the past, she was a figure skater in the Russian national team, performed in ice dancing, an International Master of Sports.
Bronze medalist of the Japanese Grand Prix (1995) and the US Grand Prix (1997).
Participant in European and World Championships.
Bronze medalist of the Russian championship with Vladimir Fyodorov (1998), vice-champion of Russia with Roman Kostomarov (2000).
She finished her sports career in 2001.

Who is the most popular representative of Russian figure skating? Alina Zagitova? Yevgeniya Medvyedeva? Or maybe you should look in the past - and leave the author and producer of ice shows Tat'yana Navka out of work? Irina Slutskaya, Mariya Butyrskaya?
Not really. The correct answer is Anna Semenovich. 1.9 million followers on Instagram - Zagitova and Medvedyeva barely gain 1.6 together. Largest number of searches in search engines. True, she hasn't competed in professional sports for about 20 years, but at the turn of the century, the future star of the Brilliant group was predicted a great future. By 2000, the medals of the Grand Prix stages, Bronze, and then the Silver of the Russian championship, hung on her home wall. But at age 21, a meniscus injury overtook the girl.
Dozens of skaters do not know what to do after sports - they try to train, to pursue a career in business, politics or on television. Not everyone can do it. Semenovich is an ideal example of a successful transition. “SE” spoke with the actress, singer and TV and radio host about the phenomenon of Eteri Tutberidze, the transformation of figure skating into show business and whether she envies the Olympic success of her partner Roman Kostomarov.


Young women often won in women's figure skating, Tutberidze's pupils cannot be blamed for this

- How do manage in self-isolation? A month has passed after all. Don't you want to climb the walls?

- I fulfil self-isolation in the same way as the rest of the people of our country, I am at home in my apartment. Of course, it's hard when there is no way to walk. I especially miss nature and fresh air. For the May holidays, I even rented a country house to change the picture. It’s not that I want to climb the wall, but sitting at home for several weeks affects me. I have fitness machines, a treadmill, I can exercise, I am happy to cook something tasty for my relatives. To my surprise I even get a lot of business proposals. Well, I can still go out, because I’m a journalist by profession - I’m broadcasting on Ruskoe Radio. Media should work live, not online. But I work in a mask, gloves, I thoroughly disinfect everything.

- You follow figure skating?

- Of course, I follow! It occupied half of my lifetime, 19 years in all. And I achieved very high results, in my opinion. I am a Master of Sports International Class in figure skating, I have repeatedly won prizes and brought medals to the country. Entered the top ten in the world. And if there are competitions, then I’m happy to watch.

- It is customary to associate recent successes with the name Eteri Tutberidze, who strictly but effectively educates her pupils. In your experience, was figure skating always a strict discipline? Impossible without authoritarianism?

- I want to say that Eteri is a great person as a coach, she found the keys to unlock athletes, to girls in the first place. Figure skating equals enormous discipline. This is a difficult sport, and it involves far more thanf just jumping. In addition to two ice training sessions, I had daily physical training, dance and ballet lessons. Yes, I performed in ice dancing, but artistry is important in any kind of figure skating. Four workouts a day! In this mode, discipline is necessary, there can be no concessions. The most able-bodied and those who adhere to this best win.

- The best Russian skaters are 15-16 years old. Should this cause alertness? Many believe they are still children, and such stress at this age is evil.

- And why are we talking only about Tutberidze’s pupils? There were others who had such talented young athletes. Remember the American Tara Lipinski, who at the age of 15 won the Olympics? Oksana Bayul skated her “Swan Lake” in Lillehammer at 16. We are friends, I know her very well. It is normal that we have such talented young girls.

- They complain that skating is not feminine, not mature anymore. You had your main successes later, at the age of 19.

- Listen, this is not a bikini contest, right? Shapely curves are needed in beauty contests. Since this is sport, there are other rules. My results are not worth comparing with those of these girls. I was engaged in ice dancing, which in general is a different sport. Dancers have a longer lifespan. (laughs) Torville and Dean almost won medals at age 40. Tat'yana Navka and Roman Kostomarov, with whom I skated in Turin, were also over 30 already.
And in women's single skating there have always been young winners. Irina Slutskaya appeared on top at the age of 16. And there have been only a few women who won in adulthood, Mariya Butyrskaya can be remembered if we talk about Russia.

- Do we need to raise the minimum age in figure skating?

- They have been talking about this for a very long time, but no decision has been made. So, while everything is within the rules, our girls can compete, and it is not necessary to wait until 18 years to advance to the senior level. There is no one to blame and nothing to discuss.

Haters just do their thing

- Figure skating is rapidly gaining popularity in Russia and is slowly turning into show business. There are two popular approaches: “don't bang the girls' heads together, let sports be sports” and “any confrontation gives ratings.” Which is closer to you?

- The girls are not pushed. Nobody takes them and pushes them literally and on purpose. There are simply athletes of about the same level who jump a set of elements of approximately the same complexity. They must fulfill this cleanly and impeccably. And it's normal that they fight in competitions. This is called competition! Someone will control their nerves and make all the elements clean, someone will lose. And to tell you the truth, I don’t care which of Kostornaya, Shcherbakova, Trusova will win. It is important for me that Russia comes first. As the country that I love and which I've also brought medals. And if we have the first, second and third places - fine. And these internal battles between athletes ... it's their business. But my opinion is that no one pushes anyone.

- But we are moving towards the hate in social networks, already wishes of death penetrate the fan culture. Do you have to fight this at all? Or is it an unavoidable side effect?

- Haters are everywhere, now is the age of the Internet, a different era. Yes, in our competitive era, no one could DM us. But figure skating was not so popular either. And now it is one of the highest rated sports, there are fans, there are haters. Which just do their job. The task of the athletes is not to pay attention to them.

- An approach characteristic to the cruel world of show business?

- Oh, this myth about the cruelty of show business! Yes, he is great, this world. Anyone has the opportunity to sing, the open spaces of the world of Internet are vast. Many artists came from the Internet - young, fresh. On the contrary, everything is transparent, and fans choose their favourites to their liking. There are haters in show business, I've come across such people. Like most public people. But there is no other advice than to remain indifferent. In the case of skaters, it is much more important for them to keep themselves in a smart shape and achieve results.

- The boom of figure skating in Russia began with the confrontation between Zagitova and Medvyedeva. Do you have any preferences?

- I really like them both, honestly. They are very different, but each of them is good in her own way. Zhenya is more feminine, Alina, probably more technical. I do not want to prefer anyone.

- In your opinion, will Zagitova really come back, and Medvyedeva will continue?

- I think so: if you like figure skating and can’t see yourself without this sport, then you definitely need to continue. If a person is already tired and has won trophies, and there are enough of those for a skater, then you need to go further, start life, skate in shows or do something else altogether. But I cannot judge the girls, can't tell them - it is necessary to finish or to continue. They themselves must decide whether they want to stay.

I never even for second regretted that I left the sport and chose show business

- I heard that in the 90s there was quite a lot of money in figure skating, in some American shows there were fabulous fees. If it’s no secret, have you earned a lot in sports?

- Of course, there were fees for ISU tournaments, there were official prizes. We gave a percentage to the coach, a percentage to the state, divided them in half, and there was not a very large amount left. Those who won all their competitions in a year earned good money, but those were few. Some could even skate without earnings.

- That is, in this sense, one does not have to regret leaving. And what about status? Your partner Roman Kostomarov subsequently became Olympic champion. Weren't you envious, somewhere deep down?

- Not at all. When Tanya and Roma won their Olympics in Turin, I really supported them. We were friends with Tanya and continue to be friends, with Angelica Krylova, with Nastya Grebyonkina. She loves figure skating so much that she opened a leisure-time school, she teaches people to skate. Tat'yana Navka makes beautiful ice fairy tales and skates in these herself, Angelica trains. It turns out that all the girls remained in the same sphere, I am probably one of the few who changed their lives so abruptly. If you raise the question with an edge, what I liked more - to skate or perform on stage, I will choose the scene. This is just my calling.

- You said that you left because you wanted freedom, “drink and hang out.” This does not outweigh any medals?

- Freedom is not only about drinking and hanging out, of course. You do not have such strict self-discipline anymore, you can sleep longer and eat more. In addition to training, you look at life differently, new countries, you can read books, study, develop. Drinking and hanging out once in a while, there is nothing wrong with that. (laughs) Everything has its own time and place. I am very grateful for the discipline and strength that is within me. Once an athlete, always an athlete.

- You left the sport at the age of 21 and made a successful career. Your advice: how to find yourself after a career at an early age? Indeed, in our figure skating this is the now and then, strong rivals instantly “write off” the previous generation.

- You must enter a new period of life with your soul, know what you want. I always had a dream to sing. From childhood, I dressed up in my mother’s clothes, dresses, shoes, sang into my hairbrush. And when I finished with sports, there were many offers. They offered me to skate for the UK, offered me to go to the ballet, but I decided I would rather start a completely new life. I never for a second regretted I left the sport and chose show business. This is a very interesting profession, you can live in it for a long time. I really enjoy what I’m doing now.
In a word, you need to understand that your spectrum doesn't converge in sports. At 20, life is just beginning! Start learning something new, you just need to look broadly at the world, think about development, new directions. Love for figure skating is wonderful, but do athletes have other hobbies? Do anything you like.

(c) Дмитрий Кузнецов
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From: https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...pala-anna-semenovich-v-tancah-na-ldu-1668765/


Kuznetsov just cannot let go of pushing his agenda, but Anna didn't comply :-)
 
Maya Khromykh was guest in a IG Live stream hosted by one of her fan groups. As to be expected, one of the rotten YT channels recorded the live stream to publish it on his own channel under the pre-text of 'providing to the fans'.

Maya was nervous and still a little shy in probably her first ever live stream. She understands English, and answers basic questions herself. I believe the hosting girl doesn't speak Russian, but there were no inappropriate questions asked or comments made as far as I could tell.

Maya is at home in Moscow, bored under the lasting quarantine orders. She tries to keep in shape, spends her time drawing, doing school work, playing with her pets. As all skaters, she longes to be back in training and to feel the ice, but is worried she'll have to catch up a lot.

Here is this 'archive': https://www.youtube.comwatch?v=pD7r01D_Zjw
 
Maya Khromykh was guest in a IG Live stream hosted by one of her fan groups. As to be expected, one of the rotten YT channels recorded the live stream to publish it on his own channel under the pre-text of 'providing to the fans'.

Maya was nervous and still a little shy in probably her first ever live stream. She understands English, and answers basic questions herself. I believe the hosting girl doesn't speak Russian, but there were no inappropriate questions asked or comments made as far as I could tell.

She is at home in Moscow, bored under the lasting quarantine orders. Tries to keep in shape, spends her time drawing, doing school work, playing with her pets. As all skaters, she longes to be back in training and to feel the ice, but is worried she'll have to catch up a lot.

Here is this 'archive': https://www.youtube.comwatch?v=pD7r01D_Zjw

Rare to see Maiia with loose hair :)
 
I am curious how Finley could get the facts you want? Finley collected useful information with background and links, and that in my eyes clearly outlined the chain of events. Well, as he said already, "I don't have first hand knowledge of any of this." If you really want the facts, and by chance being able to find some, please kindly share with us. Thank you in advance! :pray:

Sorry to jump in, but these are facts I would like to see:

1. Actual official Japanese comment on Zhenya. She is popular in Japan, it would not be unusual.

2. Comment from a Russian skating official.

3. Comment from Zhenya or her team.

4. Comment from someone who claims to have spoken with Zhenya. (Of course subject to verification).

Everything else is conclusions and opinions, which are great things, but not facts. Just like Twitter and YouTube comments. Not verifiable facts. I don’t know if @Finley or anyone else can provide them, but I would be interested.

I join with @NoviceFan in hoping that everyone stays safe and healthy!
 
The thing is were did zhenya put someone into danger, she had a mask on was alone dancing and the person who filmed it was far enough from her. So why exactly is she now again hated on? It can't be the fact that she is I the park, cause look at the background and you see in the distance other people so it's not forbidden to go out. She was to be the main star of that ice show, for all we know she had to come to Japan, cause at the time she flew to the country the ice show was still scheduled and if the manager of the show told her to come or she could loose the spot in the cast. She basically told the fans that she didn't have a choice to stay home which means she had dot go to Japan, and right now she is staying there . it was the same hate against sasha because her parents and her where on vacation in Egypt

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I agree too much is being made of this. If Zhenya had flown to Japan after Japan banned flights from Canada or America or Russia then there could be outraged by that. She flew to Japan well in advance of her shows and her work so she could be best prepared for that. Those shows have been cancelled and now she's stuck there and hopefully she stays healthy and happy but I'm sure she's frustrated as hell. And the money she would have made from the apan show would have helped her a lot when it comes to paying her court and living in Canada and all of that.

I don't think Evgenias wonderful image and reputation will be damaged in Japan. Her video in the park upset some people worldwide but that will pass in time. She has quarantined herself and is wearing no doubt the best masks out there so she is doing what she can to keep herself and others safe. Now it's a waiting game for Zhenya and the world. No matter where we are we will all face a new normal in a very near future.

I also find it bizarre that some people are so focused on Alinas money from the Navka show. I kind of makes you go hmmm.
 
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