2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Edwin]

Sorry to jump in, but these are facts I would like to see:

1. Actual official Japanese comment on Zhenya. She is popular in Japan, it would not be unusual.

2. Comment from a Russian skating official.

3. Comment from Zhenya or her team.

4. Comment from someone who claims to have spoken with Zhenya. (Of course subject to verification).

Everything else is conclusions and opinions, which are great things, but not facts. Just like Twitter and YouTube comments. Not verifiable facts. I don’t know if @Finley or anyone else can provide them, but I would be interested.

I join with @NoviceFan in hoping that everyone stays safe and healthy!

Most of this is to be found on other boards, but board dragging isn't allowed here, so you should go after this yourself.

The residents of Medvyedeva's fan fest don't like to bring any of this to their thread, for good and valid reasons.

 

[egoshina]

Sorry to jump in, but these are facts I would like to see:

1. Actual official Japanese comment on Zhenya. She is popular in Japan, it would not be unusual.

2. Comment from a Russian skating official.

3. Comment from Zhenya or her team.

4. Comment from someone who claims to have spoken with Zhenya. (Of course subject to verification).

Everything else is conclusions and opinions, which are great things, but not facts. Just like Twitter and YouTube comments. Not verifiable facts. I don’t know if @Finley or anyone else can provide them, but I would be interested.

I join with @NoviceFan in hoping that everyone stays safe and healthy!

TAT is a Russian figure skating official, but yet you dismissed her words.

 

[NoviceFan]

Sorry to jump in, but these are facts I would like to see:

1. Actual official Japanese comment on Zhenya. She is popular in Japan, it would not be unusual.

2. Comment from a Russian skating official.

3. Comment from Zhenya or her team.

4. Comment from someone who claims to have spoken with Zhenya. (Of course subject to verification).

Everything else is conclusions and opinions, which are great things, but not facts. Just like Twitter and YouTube comments. Not verifiable facts. I don’t know if @Finley or anyone else can provide them, but I would be interested.

I join with @NoviceFan in hoping that everyone stays safe and healthy!

Maybe I can help with one, here is a comment from a Russian skating official - the President of the Russian Skating federation himself:

I believe more in this situation (producer) Ari Sakarian, who is sure that she does not train, but ended up in Japan, because she wanted to perform in the show where she was invited.

https://rsport.ria.ru/20200503/1570930003.html

 

[NoviceFan]

TAT is a Russian figure skating official, but yet you dismissed her words.

Doesn’t invoking what TAT said goes against the very spirit of the wrath people are giving Zhenya because of what they accuse her of doing? TAT is wanting the Russian skaters to have a rink to to train in, in the middle of a pandemic, because she claims Zhenya is training with the Japanese skaters.

If one is outraged that allegedly, Zhenya is training in some rink in Japan during a pandemic, isn’t it equally outrageous that Russian skaters should be training during the same pandemic?

As always, hope you are safe and healthy!

 

[Edwin]

Maybe I can help with one, here is a comment from a Russian skating official - the President of the Russian Skating federation himself:

I believe more in this situation (producer) Ari Sakarian, who is sure that she does not train, but ended up in Japan, because she wanted to perform in the show where she was invited.

https://rsport.ria.ru/20200503/1570930003.html

Believing is not equal to knowing, Mr Piseyev. As a board member of FFKKR you should have a vested interest in the whereabouts, health and condition of one of your star athletes, even when she is a legal adult, because receiving a hefty stipend means carrying responsibility. Especially when the team rosters are being drafted and new season is about to commence.

One can assume FFKKR, TAT et al will want to restore conditions to normal as soon when government orders are lifted. Russia's Ministry of Sports is already at work on starting the reopening of any and all sports.
Arrange camp in Novogorsk, Sochi, Siberia, where ever quality ice and living can be found and athletes, trainers and support staff kept safe and secure. With the official FFKKR doctor still fighting the good fight on behalf of the elderly war veterans in the hospital he has been assigned to, the medical examinations and health checks will have to be postponed and the athletes allowed to train on their current license and insurance, I'd think.

Does Zakaryan have a hand in all this, he is the agent to most, if not all skaters, and produces some Japanese shows after all? He is the only possible intermediary until proven otherwise.

It doesn't seem like Piseyev had any contact with Medvyedeva since. If she was giving permission to leave on this business trip, there would hardly be a reason to put a tag on her.

Doesn’t invoking what TAT said goes against the very spirit of the wrath people are giving Zhenya because what they accuse her of doing? TAT is wanting the Russian skaters to have a rink to to train in, in the middle of a pandemic, because she claims Zhenya is training with the Japanese skaters.

If one is outraged that allegedly, Zhenya is training in some rink in Japan during a pandemic, isn’t it equally outrageous that Russian skaters should be training during the same pandemic?

I believe all the uproar isn't about Medvyedeva trying to find ice time. She isn't in Russia and doesn't have to 'suffer under self-isolation' like the Russian athletes in Moscow, Sankt Peterburg and elsewhere where a strict stay at home order is maintained. There could be a component of jealousy in some anti-fans, but having an extra couple of hours of ice time is hardly relevant when nobody is sure about any season taking place anytime soon.

It is about Medvyedeva's not so smart reactions to concerned Japanese fans, and as usual with social media, it quickly escalated in a full out fight between multiple factions a single person can never stop, let alone win.

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Piseyev also let shine through that Tuktamysheva, Medvyedeva and Zagitova most likely will still be on the team.

“ The executive committee should take stock of the season, discuss plans for the future in connection with the spread of coronavirus, asses the calendar (as much as possible), and also approve the composition of the Russian team, which has already been formed, but should be considered by the executive committee members. There will be no surprises: Zagitova, Medvyedeva, Tuktamysheva, will be included of course, there are also young girls who have established themselves, ” Piseyev told over the phone.

" Imagine, how can you not include Zagitova? She is one of our strongest skaters, especially when speaking about the future, we need to remember that the rules of our sport can change soon. There are a lot of ambiguities in our world, so there’s no need to disturb athletes "
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From: https://rsport.ria.ru/20200503/157092880.html

 

[NoviceFan]

Believing is not equal to knowing, Mr Piseyev. As a board member of FFKKR you should have a vested interest in the whereabouts, health and condition of one of your star athletes, even when she is a legal adult receiving a hefty stipend.

Does Zakaryan have a hand in this, he is the agent to many skaters and some Japanese shows after all?

Thank you, Edwin. Speculations do not equal knowing. Anonymous twitter and forum sources are not reliable sources of information. The pandemic is a real tragedy for a lot of people, and taking it as an opportunity to malign someone based on not much at all, feels to me at least, like making a mockery of the ACTUAL problems we and our communities face these days.

Again, hope you are safe and healthy.

 

[egoshina]

Doesn’t invoking what TAT said goes against the very spirit of the wrath people are giving Zhenya because what they accuse her of doing? TAT is wanting the Russian skaters to have a rink to to train in, in the middle of a pandemic, because she claims Zhenya is training with the Japanese skaters.

If one is outraged that allegedly, Zhenya is training in some rink in Japan during a pandemic, isn’t it equally outrageous that Russian skaters should be training during the same pandemic?

As always, hope you are safe and healthy!

I didn't 'invoke' TAT, I merely pointed out that she is an official, who is saying that Z trains on ice on the north of Japan. I can see that Piseyev believes that to be not true. TAT used 'I know', btw.

Anyway, I agree with el henry, Zhenya didn't violate any laws and is within her rights. It is still up for us to decide how to relate to the fact that she's the ONLY member of global figure skating elite community who is globetrotting in search of open rinks during the pandemic. Her determination to stay in shape is admirable for some.

 

[JazzUp]

Maybe I can help with one, here is a comment from a Russian skating official - the President of the Russian Skating federation himself

No, actually let me help you here: Piseyev is not "the President of the Russian Skating federation himself", Gorshkov is. Piseyev is not an official anymore, for quite some time. Oh, and neither is Zakarian.

Believing is not equal to knowing, Mr Piseyev. As a board member of FFKKR

He is not a board member.

 

[NoviceFan]

No, actually let me help you here: Piseyev is not "the President of the Russian Skating federation himself", Gorshkov is. Piseyev is not an official anymore, for quite some time.

Thank you, JazzUp. He is the honorary president of the Russian Figure Skating Federation.

Hope you are safe and healthy!

 

[el henry]

Most of this is to be found on other boards, but board dragging isn't allowed here, so you should go after this yourself.

The residents of Medvyedeva's fan fest don't like to bring any of this to their thread, for good and valid reasons.

I don’t understand the comment?

Quotes from Japanese officials, from skating officials and from Zhenya are not Board dragging.

Quotes from Twitter user @ABCDEF12346 when they are just conclusions or opinions, particularly negative ones, are Board dragging.

And I believe you are right about what is appropriate for a FanFest and what is not:thumbsup:

 

[el henry]

TAT is a Russian figure skating official, but yet you dismissed her words.

Yes, and I admit my own bias is showing here, as although I think she is an interesting character, she has used what I believe to be offensive terms to denigrate my favorite skater, so I am not kindly inclined. (My favorite skater is neither Russian nor a lady, so not an appropriate topic here to discuss, just as background).

My impression for her comment was that TAT just threw off a stream of consciousness conclusion with no proof. When I say “official”, I mean the Russian Fed said “Zhenya told us she was going to Japan to train” and not the individual opinions of an official.

I hope that’s clearer

 

[Edwin]

Thank you, JazzUp. He is the honorary president of the Russian Figure Skating Federation.

My bad, excuses. There are many vice presidents and board members, I don't know the names of all.

So Piseyev speaks on personal account?

Let's wait for a more official communication first, and the list of team members and provisionary training and internal competition calendar.

FFKKR will probably be tele-working tomorrow, perhaps something will be released when they feel worried or concerned.

 

[JazzUp]

So Piseyev speaks on personal account?

Yes, since he doesn't hold any official position anymore.

 

[Ross74]

Maybe I can help with one, here is a comment from a Russian skating official - the President of the Russian Skating federation himself:

I believe more in this situation (producer) Ari Sakarian, who is sure that she does not train, but ended up in Japan, because she wanted to perform in the show where she was invited.

https://rsport.ria.ru/20200503/1570930003.html

Just for clarification, if you want to read Zakaryan's actual words, you can find them in Russian here. The title of the article is, "Medvedeva is not training in Japan at this time". He goes on to say that he's sure she's not training because the rink is shut down for the holiday and nobody is training in Japan "at this time", including Medvedeva. He does not say that she is not training there at all.

 

[okokok1777]

I don’t understand the comment?

Quotes from Japanese officials, from skating officials and from Zhenya are not Board dragging.

Quotes from Twitter user @ABCDEF12346 when they are just conclusions or opinions, particularly negative ones, are Board dragging.

And I believe you are right about what is appropriate for a FanFest and what is not:thumbsup:

I'm not sure if this constitutes board dragging, but there is a thread on Twitter that seems to identify the background of a photo she posted on IG to major landmarks in Niigata (another prefecture in Japan) - https://twitter.com/fsnanchara/status/1256849021018107904 .

Her agent, Ari Zakaryan, gave the following response when asked about the situation:

"The 'Golden Week' of holidays runs from April 29 to May 6 in Japan, and everything is closed. And I know through talking to Japanese people, that at that time there no one trains, including Medvedeva. I am positive that she is not training,"

"Why did she go to Japan? She had a planned show 'Prism on Ice', and I think that at the moment of traveling, she considered that it would still take place.

"Another show - 'Fantasy on Ice' - was canceled only on April 20. Therefore there were reasons to be sure there would be no cancellation."

https://www.rt.com/sport/487544-medvedeva-not-training-coroanvirus-quarantine-japan-agent/

Unfortunately, his statements don't really shed too much light considering that she's been in Japan since early April. Considering how much press and fan attention this situation has attracted, I am guessing that we will all get an official response at some point but we won't know until we know LOL.

 

[Edwin]

Yes, I am surprised the inviting party from Japan hasn't tried to defuse the situation that has risen. Unless Medvyedeva's or their obligations have been fulfilled and they have parted ways as contractually agreed?

With Medvyedeva unable to return to Canada (had she booked a return ticket), to travel to Russia (even by aid of the embassy to get on some kind of evacuation flight), has she been abandoned to her own devices?
Obviously, she is neither a child nor a minor, and must have many friends, acquaintances and business contacts in Japan able to help her out.

Still, the whole situation doesn't sit right with me, the given reason is just too vague.

 

[egoshina]

Yes, I am surprised the inviting party from Japan hasn't tried to defuse the situation that has risen. Unless Medvyedeva's or their obligations have been fulfilled and they have parted ways as contractually agreed?

With Medvyedeva unable to return to Canada (had she booked a return ticket), to travel to Russia (even by aid of the embassy to get on some kind of evacuation flight), has she been abandoned to her own devices?
Obviously, she is neither a child nor a minor, and must have many friends, acquaintances and business contacts in Japan able to help her out.

Still, the whole situation doesn't sit right with me, the given reason is just too vague.

I believe the show organisers said that they did not make her obligated to come. (emphasis on 'believe', do not ask me to 'yahoo' Japanese internet for the link.)

 

[Edwin]

I believe the show organisers said that they did not make her obligated to come. (emphasis on 'believe', do not ask me to 'yahoo' Japanese internet for the link.)

I repeat what I've written below in this thread, she might be looking for a new rink and trainer and will make some announcement as soon as an agreement has been reached?

In the meantime, Kogan spoke to TASS:

The Director General of the Russian Figure Skating Federation noted that the national team will be published only after approval.

" All documents from the executive committee will be approved by correspondence, the executive committee will not be meeting in person, there will be a video conference. The date (session) of the executive committee has not yet been appointed - it depends on the situation with coronavirus," Kogan said.

" The executive committee will summarise and discuss certain plans. As for the national team list: when it is approved, we will publish it "
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https://tass.ru/sport/8391767

Meaning there will be more waiting in uncertainty for the Russians cooped up in their own apartments or for Medvyedeva somewhere on the road in Japan.

 

[Finley]

Can you see that not sakura is a problem but meeting people, especially family members what is underlined in Japanese announcements? People are asked not to travel during the Golden Week because of traditional meetings with their family. It's a source of spreading the virus, not a lonely stroll in a park.




Can you see the date of Kurakova interview and remeber the particular time the interview was about? Surely when Evgenia left Toronto for Japan she expected to train before the ice show. Everybody knew it, it wasn't a secret. So you need an announcement from Evgenia now? Don't understand.



At least a number of infected people in the Aomori prefecture is still the same: 26, in spite of Evgenia's visit...

You don't know that. As right now, no one in Aomori has any way of knowing that. The reported number of confirmed cases hasn't changed but given the nature of the virus that may not accurately reflect the number of people infected. Especially if those people are asymptomatic.

Even if 10 - 14 days from now the numbers increase it doesn't mean Zhenya had anything to do with it.

 

[Finley]

The thing is were did zhenya put someone into danger, she had a mask on was alone dancing and the person who filmed it was far enough from her. So why exactly is she now again hated on? It can't be the fact that she is I the park, cause look at the background and you see in the distance other people so it's not forbidden to go out. She was to be the main star of that ice show, for all we know she had to come to Japan, cause at the time she flew to the country the ice show was still scheduled and if the manager of the show told her to come or she could loose the spot in the cast. She basically told the fans that she didn't have a choice to stay home which means she had dot go to Japan, and right now she is staying there . it was the same hate against sasha because her parents and her where on vacation in Egypt

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It's not about the park. It really isn't. I swear.