2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

To be honest as a Plushy fan I'm more concerned about the hate he's gonna get. Like if he even looks away from Sasha T on ice there's going to be a pile on.

Plus if Sasha fails it will be entirely Plushy's fault, of course. But then if she she does as well or better than before though it will be because of everyone but Plushy. Because he's a fake coach, obviously.

Incidentally, I feel a need to point out that previously Plushy mostly worked with the novices - being a new coach and all - and he went to most of Sofia Titova's competitions. So all the accusations that he doesn't do anything for the students at the Academy are rather off-base.

Plushenko is one of the best figure skaters world has ever seen. The hate thing that is going on more so rubs off from his wife, let's put it like that...
She's a very outspoken and polarizing figure in russian celebrity circles, so it's not entirely up to him at this point.

This would be a real test for him and Rozanov as coaches. Let's wait and see how it turns out.

 

[plushyfan]

There is no turning back anymore, given the character of the main character in charge one can expect storms in the media like never seen before.

you can be sure..

Plus if Sasha fails it will be entirely Plushy's fault, of course. But then if she she does as well or better than before though it will be because of everyone but Plushy. Because he's a fake coach, obviously.

you can be sure..

 

[ruga]

What? Are individual lessons not the norm in Russia? This is a first for me. I don’t pretend to be familiar with the operations of their training in terms of who gets what and when, but I’m shocked. In a lot of countries including my own the norm is you pay for your own 1-1 sessions which are a priority. You can do group lessons as part of a skating club for specific skills for a few hours each week and obviously there are group sessions for gaining your levels before you do the main testing route. That is a very interesting system, I think I understand why the girls eventually leave even more now.

At least in Eteri's group not really. I don't remember who, but one of the coaches (maybe Daniil? Can't recall) clearly stated that there are no individual lessons, they always work in group. Obviously, there must be some individual attention when they get new programs or learn new jumps, but I assume they mostly go on ice all together. But private lessons are available in other clubs especially for younger kids. I heard that one of the reasons why Aliona's skating skills are so good is because she took additional lessons on ice when she was younger.

 

[Edwin]

Rozanov is a proven coach looking to expand his horizon. He too made use of the time window, but apparently left his colleagues in shock over this secretive move it seemed.
When a coach cannot talk freely and openly with his head coach and fellow coaches about career plans, makes me feel disappointed with #TeamTutberidzeForProgress, who I though also to be leaders in transparency and human relations.

But we only have Gleikhengauz' and Plyushchenko's media statements to go by thus far, neither Rozanov, nor Tutberidze, has commented yet.

Wether Rozanov is able to withstand the pressure of expectations or capable to function in the limelight of prestigious competitions while perpetually under a microscope, now is the time to prove this.

And of course, any coach leaving gives another prospective candidate opportunity to prove him/herself. Tutberidze, Dudakov, Gleikhengauz and Zheleznyakov will continue to work together towards the higher goal.

Rozanov will be missed, for apart from being handsome, he is young, tall and strong, able to work the pole and harness.

At the moment, it appears the other skaters stay where they are, but we’ll only know this for certain when FFKKR publishes the teams.

 

[Edwin]

At least in Eteri's group not really. I don't remember who, but one of the coaches (maybe Daniil? Can't recall) clearly stated that there are no individual lessons, they always work in group. Obviously, there must be some individual attention when they get new programs or learn new jumps, but I assume they mostly go on ice all together. But private lessons are available in other clubs especially for younger kids. I heard that one of the reasons why Aliona's skating skills are so good is because she took additional lessons on ice when she was younger.

In the development phase, skaters probably can book and pay for extra coaching by specialists, apart from the state funded general prep ice sessions.

'All for One, One for All' might be Khrustalniy's motto, since a certain unity and uniformity makes training large groups of hard working skaters more effective. You cannot really afford stragglers, injured and or recovering skaters are demoted to a lower group where the pace is slower, and special attention can be given by a specialised trainer when he/she is finished with the top group.

When reading and collecting interviews, you can piece together the general layout of the working days and weekly schedule of both pupils and coaches. It isn't an 8 hour job for the adults at this level. Even the kids are away from home for 12 hours or more.

 

[icybear]

Honestly is this really a move to Plushenko just because she will be training at his place. Lots of people train in TCC even if they arent trained by Orser. If Rozanov is the coach she will be training under most of the time then I dont see why Plushenko should be getting the credit for her results. To be honest, it doesnt look like he's very invested in his students. I've never seen him in the kiss n cry with his students last season.

 

[Edwin]

Honestly is this really a move to Plushenko just because she will be training at his place. Lots of people train in TCC even if they arent trained by Orser. If Rozanov is the coach she will be training under most of the time then I dont see why Plushenko should be getting the credit for her results. To be honest, it doesnt look like he's very invested in his students. I've never seen him in the kiss n cry with his students last season.

You're a millennial now, 1000-th posting ;-)

Plyushchenko already made promises in his first interview on the matter, like 24/7 involvement, full commitment to Trusova's needs, less travels to shows, etc. So we'll know soon enough what his statements actually amount to.

Presuming Trusova stays in FFKKR's top league, at minimum two Grand Prix stages, but perhaps some Challengers to test her new programs, boost her image, rating and scoring potential, since money is no objection anymore and every exposure is important to the enterprise?

Child athlete Aleksandra was extremely strong, yet resilient and seemingly tireless. Aleksandra has grown, will grow some more, develop curves, experts pointed out here lies the greatest risk to the enterprise and continued success for Aleksandra. Pacing is most important now she is entering adolescence. She is strong and determined, but not unbreakable nor invulnerable in overtraining to get maximum exposure and return on investment.

I think #TeamTutberidzeForProgress will neither feel disturbed nor challenged into races over exposure or medals. Little will change when Anna, Alyona (Kamila in Nationals) will face Aleksandra on ice in front of neutral judges. But how neutral the judges will appear coming season will be most interesting to study, given the affiliations old and new and reputations of the team leaders.

 

[nussnacker]

Rozanov is a proven coach looking to expand his horizon. He too made use of the time window, but apparently left his colleagues in shock over this secretive move it seemed.
When a coach cannot talk freely and openly with his head coach and fellow coaches about career plans, makes me feel disappointed with #TeamTutberidzeForProgress, who I though also to be leaders in transparency and human relations.

But we only have Gleikhengauz' and Plyushchenko's media statements to go by thus far, neither Rozanov, nor Tutberidze, has commented yet.

Wether Rozanov is able to withstand the pressure of expectations or capable to function in the limelight of prestigious competitions while perpetually under a microscope, now is the time to prove this.

And of course, any coach leaving gives another prospective candidate to prove him/herself.

Rozanov will be missed, for apart from being handsome, he is young, tall and strong, able to work the pole and harness.

I don’t think Rozanov is that much of a proven coach yet. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he is immensely talented, and there are examples when even with 0 experience coaches can become successful with the best athletes, so his 2 years of work are definitely better than that.
On the other hand, people keep acting like he was doing 100% of work, while Tutberidze, Daniil and Dudakov were all chilling on their couches
I don’t want it to seem like I’m underestimating him as a professional, again, I’m sure he’s talented and can work alone too, but why people are acting like he’s the sole reason of Team Tutberidze success is beyond my understanding. They were successful before he came too, you know.
Right now I don’t quite think they will crumble without him, and that he will succeed on his own, that’s just my gut feeling, but only time will tell. I hope he will do well!

 

[Vandevska]

When a coach cannot talk freely and openly with his head coach and fellow coaches about career plans, makes me feel disappointed with #TeamTutberidzeForProgress, who I though also to be leaders in transparency and human relations.

 

[Edwin]

Noble born honey bear? now that's laughing stock ;-)

One can only wish #TeamTutberidzeForProgress learns from this episode and will emerge sadder, but wiser and stronger.

Compared to most domestic and all foreign commercial ‘One Star’ rinks, having a star studded ice in many age groups filled with local kids, poses its own challenges and difficulties.

With Trusova gone, one less ball to juggle, fewer problems to solve, perhaps even more time remaining for development of Kostornaya and Shcherbakova. And still a precarious balance has to be maintained between those two successful skaters. Three is a crowd, two is a tandem, one remaining 2004 skater by the time 2022 Olympics come around is certainly possible, even zero.

However, there are several other groups in Khrustalniy and Zagitova might find incentives again to return for real.

The race isn’t over until you’re past the finish line.

So no home raised 2005 borns, will they even seek reinforcement? Sinitsyna, Shulskaya, Muravyova, there should still be ample choice in good girls wanting to work hard and advance themselves.

I am neutral over the Zhilina sisters or any even younger novices leaving. So much can happen, including age rises and change of rules, it’s difficult to asses their transfer to Rozanov's new group as an unrecoverable loss. My guess it #TeamTutberidzeForProgress wants sensible, cooperative parents more than meddlesome busybodies like Mrs Kostyleva.

 

[KOBOT37]

So no home raised 2005 borns, will the seek reinforcement, Sinitsyna, Shulskaya, Muravyova, there should still be ample choice in good girls wanting to work hard and advance themselves.

why should they? First of all, getting ready to win athletes to her team, unlike some people, isn't Eteri's style.

Secondly, 3A+Liza(?) are there and pretty much enough for this season, VUX is coming for the next one, that is 6(7) skaters for Olympics, Adelia and Sofia are coming to seniors post olympic seasons. Real problem is in novices (hello Rozanov ) now after Zhilina's are gone, only Rubtsova is there, if I am not mistaken, but that is,at least, 5 years off, if not more (considering never ending discussions about age limit).

P.S Before somebody brings it up, I don't really support Zhelezniakovs posts... he is emotional and obviously they are all angry but I hope he doesn't say anything more about that (and wish hadn't said anything at all, tbh)

 

[Decoder]

why should they? First of all, getting ready to win athletes to her team, unlike some people, isn't Eteri's style.

Secondly, 3A+Liza(?) are there and pretty much enough for this season, VUX is coming for the next one, that is 6(7) skaters for Olympics, Adelia and Sofia are coming to seniors post olympic seasons. Real problem is in novices (hello Rozanov ) now after Zhilina's are gone, only Rubtsova is there, if I am not mistaken, but that is,at least, 5 years off, if not more (considering never ending discussions about age limit).

P.S Before somebody brings it up, I don't really support Zhelezniakovs posts... he is emotional and obviously they are all angry but I hope he doesn't say anything more about that (and wish hadn't said anything at all, tbh)

Agree. What he said could backfire.

 

[sweetice]

So no home raised 2005 borns, will the seek reinforcement, Sinitsyna, Shulskaya, Muravyova, there should still be ample choice in good girls wanting to work hard and advance themselves.

I don't think we can expecting to see Muravyova back to Sambo. She's already have do a stage there, this season, without being annexed to the team

Actually, they may don't need another junior skater, with Petrosyan already added. The actual loss is the lack of a third skater for the 21-22 junior season, as they have only Akatieva and Petrosyan, so Zhilina's departure is a major loss.

Anyway, as you say, find a solution is only a matter of time. There's plenty of interesting skaters late 2007-first half 2008 almost ready to jump on this opportunity to find themselves on the Eteri's team.

 

[ancientpeas]

Just a reminder, folks: "Be sure to taste your words before you spit them out."

Opinions are fine. Disagreeing is fine. Calling other people names, slandering them, and just generally being rude to get a reaction (AKA trolling) is not fine.

 

[Lechat]

I wonder if it’s really Sasha's choice or her parents. I know she’s an ambitious girl but she can’t put the blame on her coaches for her failures and Alena and Anna are serious competitors. Mastering multiple quads is a huge amount of work and stress sometimes it works sometimes not and there’s also puberty.

With the olympics on line, it will add more stress on her shoulders, like Zhenia last year, I think she’ll need time with the transition.

 

[Edwin]

I don't think we can expecting to see Muravyova back to Sambo. She's already have do a stage there, this season, without being annexed to the team

Actually, they may don't need another junior skater, with Petrosyan already added. The actual loss is the lack of a third skater for the 21-22 junior season, as they have only Akatieva and Petrosyan, so Zhilina's departure is a major loss.

Anyway, as you say, find a solution is only a matter of time. There's plenty of interesting skaters late 2007-first half 2008 almost ready to jump on this opportunity to find themselves on the Eteri's team.

Those fearless 10-11 year old girls are the purest children, immensely strong, yet already intelligent enough to know what they’re doing and able to work towards goals.

One can watch them being trained in PE, jumps and dance for real now, with so many live streaming and recorded sessions from #TeamDavydov and #TeamFedchenko.

Also, this gives insight in the psychology applied by trainers, including group psychology which can be frowned upon in our society.

Like we have seen at the most exciting Junior and Novice Nationals, the talent pool in Russia is enormous in depth.

Working with a half or full dozen of these kids is every coaches’ dream, progress and results before your very eyes ;-) And can be endlessly frustrating too, here the good coaches are separated from the bad easily.

 

[Fried]

I know she's an ambitious girl but she can't put the blame on her coaches for her failures

Where did she do that? Please stick to the facts.

 

[ancientpeas]

I wonder if it’s really Sasha's choice or her parents. I know she’s an ambitious girl but she can’t put the blame on her coaches for her failures and Alena and Anna are serious competitors. Mastering multiple quads is a huge amount of work and stress sometimes it works sometimes not and there’s also puberty.

With the olympics on line, it will add more stress on her shoulders, like Zhenia last year, I think she’ll need time with the transition.

Actually she can put the blame on her coaches if she feels she was being overlooked or that she was getting inferior programs. I'm not saying she is right but she can.

It's a bit like one of those pictures of the vase or the two faces. It can for you whatever way you spin the narrative. I think athletes have to, on some level, believe that what is wrong is external to them and not based in the fact that they are less talented. If you suddenly see yourself as the problem you might decide you can't improve. If you blame external factors you believe you can improve by changing them. Sometimes belief fuels reality and improvement occurs.

 

[ancientpeas]

Where did she do that? Please stick to the facts.

I think she was speaking hypothetically.

 

[sparklestan]

Perhaps part of the reason why Sasha skated poorly at the last few competitions is because she felt like she wasn’t getting enough attention and therefore felt unprepared (even if she actually was given enough attention and prepared). Once you get a thought like that in your mind it is hard to get it out and she did say that she was fine physically but psychologically was where the issues lay.
Im not saying she didn’t get enough attention but if she had a thought about that it really could mess her mind during competition pressure.