2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[ruga]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/eurolifetr...t=124835670_370870000&rid=370870000#124835670

A test to find the truest fans of Russian Ladies' FS. Or you know, just to get away from discussions for a bit

 

[sparklestan]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/eurolifetr...t=124835670_370870000&rid=370870000#124835670

A test to find the truest fans of Russian Ladies' FS. Or you know, just to get away from discussions for a bit

I got 9/10
And I’m “fabulous just like everyone in the drama”

 

[Jeanie19]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/eurolifetr...t=124835670_370870000&rid=370870000#124835670

A test to find the truest fans of Russian Ladies' FS. Or you know, just to get away from discussions for a bit

I only got 90%.

 

[Edwin]

I believe Aleksandra herself has not spoken out yet. And she best doesn’t when the process of transfer is still underway in FFKKR and Sambo-70.

Any public statement from her will most likely be a statements written by a parent or responsible adult, PR agent. She is with a different entourage now and has to seek new advice and protection.

And there will be no casual, informal moments with fans or serious press anymore. Everything will be centered around the enterprise, the need to stay in line, uphold the positive image, to show invulnerability, to radiate confidence and most of all to remain insubordinate to the manager who provides in everything.

She’ll be followed around in public and private, and always needs to be aware of traps and setups to raise doubt, create controversy, stir up hatred.

Her Wonder Years, her Days of Innocence were abruptly and irreversible cut off with one signature from her parents.

She is entering the Big League now, where everything is for real and money matters.

Being the lone star in this entourage and not crumble under the immense pressure now to be borne alone requires character and strength of spirit. For any adult, let alone for a 16 year old adolescent.

 

[KOBOT37]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/eurolifetr...t=124835670_370870000&rid=370870000#124835670

A test to find the truest fans of Russian Ladies' FS. Or you know, just to get away from discussions for a bit

two obviously wrong answers

Who fired the first shots in the Alina drama

Plushenko.

It was his (TAT was just a collateral damage) "maybe she needs coaches what can give her attention OC deserves" what made all of that public.

What has Trusova been accused of by Eteri?

Not returning calls and being difficult to work with

citation needed.

 

[Tolstoj]

Perhaps part of the reason why Sasha skated poorly at the last few competitions is because she felt like she wasn’t getting enough attention and therefore felt unprepared (even if she actually was given enough attention and prepared). Once you get a thought like that in your mind it is hard to get it out and she did say that she was fine physically but psychologically was where the issues lay.
Im not saying she didn’t get enough attention but if she had a thought about that it really could mess her mind during competition pressure.

On the lack of coaches attentions, i think for the future Eteri could take notes from Irina Viner.

If you look at Viner's group, every single one of their top athletes have their own personal coaches + Irina Viner always checking.

This is so important when you have 2-3 potential olympic champions in the same group because they all deserve that personal attention every single day.

We've heard that reason on why her skaters leave already 3 times: with Lipnitskaya, then Medvedeva at the Olympics, and now Trusova. So it's not baseless, there is something that needs to be sort it out.

 

[Lechat]

I believe Aleksandra herself has not spoken out yet. And she best doesn’t when the process of transfer is still underway in FFKKR and Sambo-70.

Any public statement from her will most likely be a statements written by a parent or responsible adult.

And there will be no casual, informal moments anymore.

She’ll be followed around in public and private, and always needs to be aware of traps and setups to raise doubt, create controversy, stir up hatred.

Her Wonder Years, her Days of Innocence were cut off with one signature from her parents.

She is entering the Big League now, where everything is for real and money matters.

I also think she’s used by her parents to make a lot of money. They expected for her golden girl to win all the major competitions but the plan failed. Finally the pressure comes from his parents, the coaching has nothing to do but it’s easy to blame the coaches and they tried to speak to her but she didn’t answer or allowed to answer. Her parents are manipulating her.

 

[sparklestan]

On the lack of coaches attentions, i think for the future Eteri could take notes from Irina Viner.

If you look at Viner's group, every single one of their top athletes have their own personal coaches + Irina Viner always checking.

This is so important when you have 2-3 potential olympic champions in the same group because they all deserve that personal attention every single day.

We've heard that reason on why her skaters leave already 3 times: with Lipnitskaya, then Medvedeva at the Olympics, and now Trusova. So it's not baseless, there is something that needs to be sort it out.

Yeah I agree with your point. I was just trying to show that Sasha could say “I feel like I need more attention” and Eteri could say “Sasha got enough attention” and both could be accurate in a way.

 

[ruga]

On the lack of coaches attentions, i think for the future Eteri could take notes from Irina Viner.

If you look at Viner's group, every single one of their top athletes have their own personal coaches + Irina Viner always checking.

This is so important when you have 2-3 potential olympic champions in the same group because they all deserve that personal attention every single day.

We've heard that reason on why her skaters leave already 3 times: with Lipnitskaya, then Medvedeva at the Olympics, and now Trusova. So it's not baseless, there is something that needs to be sort it out.

I agree, it's incredibly difficult to keep a few talented students under one roof. I wonder how it will go for Aliona and Anna. The thing is, Viner's situation is very different. She has very good funding and basically owns the monopoly of Russian rhythmic gymnastics - almost all Russian gymnasts and groups have Viner's name under coach section. Not sure how it could be possible in figure skating.

 

[KOBOT37]

On the lack of coaches attentions, i think for the future Eteri could take notes from Irina Viner.

If you look at Viner's group, every single one of their top athletes have their own personal coaches + Irina Viner always checking.

This is so important when you have 2-3 potential olympic champions in the same group because they all deserve that personal attention.

We've heard that reason on why her skaters leave already 3 times: with Lipnitskaya, then Medvedeva at the Olympics, and now Trusova. So it's not baseless, there is an issue there.

Can we stop comparing Viner and Eteri ? Viner had many conflicts in her career as a coach, but nobody can "leave her" because she is the head coach of a national team(and lets be real here, she is no less owner of Russian rhythmic gymnastics than Abramovich is of Chelsea FC), leaving her is guaranteed retirement.

Eteri simply cant do what Viner does, material resources isn't there. Highly likely, even Navka can't (even if she wanted to). Only club who can get Viner style control on Russian Figure skating is CSKA but FS isn't priority there.

 

[Edwin]

What do Putin’s new constitution plans actually amount to where state funded sports programs are concerned?

More commercial neo-liberalism as hinted at in one of Plyushchenko’s interviews on state schools vs private enterprises, commercial leagues and transfer sums?

 

[Lechat]

Perhaps part of the reason why Sasha skated poorly at the last few competitions is because she felt like she wasn’t getting enough attention and therefore felt unprepared (even if she actually was given enough attention and prepared). Once you get a thought like that in your mind it is hard to get it out and she did say that she was fine physically but psychologically was where the issues lay.
Im not saying she didn’t get enough attention but if she had a thought about that it really could mess her mind during competition pressure.

She did well before I don’t think it’s the case but if she really feels that way, she should tell them but you are right, it’s psychologic.

 

[nussnacker]

I also think she’s used by her parents to make a lot of money. They expected for her golden girl to win all the major competitions but the plan failed. Finally the pressure comes from his parents, the coaching has nothing to do but it’s easy to blame the coaches and they tried to speak to her but she didn’t answer or allowed to answer. Her parents are manipulating her.

I don't think it's right to make these conclusions. I generally dislike the discussions of whether or not parents are 'using' their children.
Her parents to me seem to be quite well off, they have a house outside of the city and an apartment in the city. (I don't plan on talking about their financial situation, it's just from my perspective they are not in the position when they rely on Sasha financially).
IF it's indeed their choice and not Sasha's, I'm sure they would put her first and try to make decisions that would work best for Sasha.
Whether or not they're right, we simply don't know yet, nothing has happened for anyone to pass a judgement on this.

 

[Fried]

Her Wonder Years, her Days of Innocence were abruptly and irreversible cut off with one signature from her parents.

A little less drama would be appropriate. What does innocence mean? You don't seriously believe that Sasha has not yet been briefed. Facade is everything. The facade fell once. That was with Russian Nationals and Sasha was immediately told never to cry in public again.
Maybe her real miracle years will come when she create the miracle of being successful even after leaving Eteri. She has always wanted to achieve what no one has achieved before her. Well. She has the opportunity again.

 

[Fried]

I also think she’s used by her parents to make a lot of money. They expected for her golden girl to win all the major competitions but the plan failed. Finally the pressure comes from his parents, the coaching has nothing to do but it’s easy to blame the coaches and they tried to speak to her but she didn’t answer or allowed to answer. Her parents are manipulating her.

It's nice that we have someone with you who is involved in both training and the family. Or did you install hidden microphones? My goodness. Everything is possible. But what is best done here is pure slander. One would like to turn away in disgust.

 

[Lechat]

I don't think it's right to make these conclusions. I generally dislike the discussions of whether or not parents are 'using' their children.
Her parents to me seem to be quite well off, they have a house outside of the city and an apartment in the city. (I don't plan on talking about their financial situation, it's just from my perspective they are not in the position when they rely on Sasha financially).
IF it's indeed their choice and not Sasha's, I'm sure they would put her first and try to make decisions that would work best for Sasha.
Whether or not they're right, we simply don't know yet, nothing has happened for anyone to pass a judgement on this.

If it’s not for money why choosing Plushenko ? He said that Zagitova and Medvedeva earn little compared to his own son who earn a lot.
He maybe earn a lot of cash but as a coach, well like Dani said we can’t tell

 

[Decoder]

two obviously wrong answers

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Sharp eyes :thumbsup:

 

[flanker]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/eurolifetr...t=124835670_370870000&rid=370870000#124835670

A test to find the truest fans of Russian Ladies' FS. Or you know, just to get away from discussions for a bit

9/10, though the test is crap, imputing some words to other people etc.

Edit: I see it was already pointed out, I would add that Eteri's sister's words are Eteri's sister's words and not "Eteri's classic."

 

[Tolstoj]

I agree, it's incredibly difficult to keep a few talented students under one roof. I wonder how it will go for Aliona and Anna. The thing is, Viner's situation is very different. She has very good funding and basically owns the monopoly of Russian rhythmic gymnastics - almost all Russian gymnasts and groups have Viner's name under coach section. Not sure how it could be possible in figure skating.

Results-wise Tutberidze is already there.

She can pick the best juniors from all over Russia, leaving the weaker ones to the other clubs.

Top 3 from Russian Nationals both Juniors and Seniors are theirs, Samsonov also junior national champion. All the gold medals in Ladies figure skating are won by Eteri skaters these days.

The key difference is political, Viner bought the consensus basically, Tutberidze has other clubs she has to compete, and they don't agree just being their B-C reserve teams. She has other influential like Navka, Tarasova, Mishin, Plushenko which they wouldn't be okay with Eteri taking all the resources.

 

[Edwin]

A little less drama would be appropriate. What does innocence mean? You don't seriously believe that Sasha has not yet been briefed. Facade is everything. The facade fell once. That was with Russian Nationals and Sasha was immediately told never to cry in public again.
Maybe her real miracle years will come when she create the miracle of being successful even after leaving Eteri. She has always wanted to achieve what no one has achieved before her. Well. She has the opportunity again.

The pressure of expectations resting now on her is entirely different from previous. Apart from sports new components are added, return of investment (including Mr Trusov’s?), pleasing the manager, the sponsors, the entourage or everything will be taken away, perhaps even earning big money?

A puppy for a jump will work for children in their Wonder Years.

Those Years of Golden Opportunity will require a different mind set and resilience, because there is no guarantee for instant success with the athlete entering puberty.

She’ll grow into this when allowed. For if Aleksandra thought she lacked attention, she’ll now get more than enough.

All I wish for is for Mr Trusov and the family to keep Aleksandra morally pure and emotionally sound.

So far in interviews, the Trusovs have shown to be good parents, instilling proper values and morale into their children. The happiness of their eldest comes above else. One cannot imagine how tough this decision must have been for both.

Will they be able to keep Aleksandra’s moral compass pointing true in the entourage of Plyushchenko?