2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

No conclusions to be drawn from her social media? No response to a polite DM, she must be capable of basic English? As an adult skater, there is probably little intrigue that perhaps she might not want to disclose.

I think for many skaters 'on the brink' much depends on the coronavirus situation and how the Ministry of Sports will allocate money and resources, wether there will be affordable Challenger events, any international ISU events at all. So many uncertainties, and when higher education calls because of a scholarship or things like that, any skater her age must make choices.

Not really, she doesn’t post too much. I hadn’t even considered asking her, I thought it may be intrusive. Just curiosity as to if anything had been officially announced from her or her team. If not I don’t think I will go out of my way to ask her directly, it feels a little strange. I wouldn’t feel comfortable messaging any other elite skater and I view her no differently. I will just keep my fingers crossed and my hopes up for her.

Edit: Looks like she has a TikTok account and posted a video of her on the harness doing a quad salchow yesterday. That’s an interesting development!

 

[nussnacker]

Not related to the situation with Sasha. But does anybody have an update on Sima? Will she continue to compete next season? Has there been anything interesting from her camp? I really like her and just hope every season that she decides to keep skating.

I believe she was doing some part time coaching recently (before the lockdown).

 

[anonymoose_au]

...This being the official publication of Russian Olympic Committee, the mention of Rozanov being the personal trainer of Trusova, might mean just that. But let's wait for FFKKR confirmation first.

Well at least this article is more polite then all the others I've seen so far...calling Plushy a fake coach with no success from any of his students.

Did I imagine Sofia Titova becoming National Novice Champion this season after coming 24th the one before? I don't think I did.

But there's probably some reason that doesn't count.

People can dislike Plushy all they want, but to completely disregard all the work he does at the Academy is just petty and rude. He probably works harder than any of those reporters I can tell you that much.

 

[Ninamenlo]

I think that the goals of Tutberdze is not exactly aligned with Sasha’s. The goal of Tutberidze is to have a podium sweep while Sasha wants gold.

She is ready to have high risk/high reward scenario with lots of quads. With this she is either first or potentially off the podium. I doubt that the difference between being 3rd, 4th,5th place etc matters much to her, she wants that gold and is willing to risk it

But for Tutberidze this is not acceptable, they prefer safe layout for Sasha which would guarantee her bronze, so that they have podium sweep.

Thats why the coaches were pushing her for safer layout and limiting her quads, limiting her chances for gold but guaranteeing the sweep.

Sasha herself said that it is easier for her to jump 5 quads than 3 because it gives her a shot at gold and motivates her. Rather than safe bronze layout which takes the wind out of her sails..


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[Supernovaimplosion]

I appreciate the interviews and comments from every random person in the figure skating community, while Sasha says nothing. Smart girl!

 

[NAOTMAA]

I think that the goals of Tutberdze is not exactly aligned with Sasha’s. The goal of Tutberidze is to have a podium sweep while Sasha wants gold.

She is ready to have high risk/high reward scenario with lots of quads. With this she is either first or potentially off the podium. I doubt that the difference between being 3rd, 4th,5th place etc matters much to her, she wants that gold and is willing to risk it

But for Tutberidze this is not acceptable, they prefer safe layout for Sasha which would guarantee her bronze, so that they have podium sweep.

Thats why the coaches were pushing her for safer layout and limiting her quads, limiting her chances for gold but guaranteeing the sweep.

Sasha herself said that it is easier for her to jump 5 quads than 3 because it gives her a shot at gold and motivates her. Rather than safe bronze layout which takes the wind out of her sails..


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Eteri wants all her students to have a equal chance at winning gold. That's why each program is personally tailored to hide their weakness and highlight their strengths. If her only goal was to get a podium sweep she would NOT have appeased Aleksandra and reshuffled the jumps for Euros as she did.

Yes Eteri has big goals for herself as a coach but she is also practical and it is not practical for Aleksandra to be attempting 5 quads and 3As all at the same time at this moment, especially when so much work is to be done in the other areas. Aleksandra may think she can do 5 consistently but most of the time what we think we can do and what we actually can are not the same. Aleksandra's tech is already more then enough to win gold but she needs the PCS too and she doesn't at the moment so that's why she was losing. Eteri was trying to work on that but it seems Aleksandra's main priority is only the jumps and that's where the disagreement was between them. She should be working extra hard on the components not attempting to throw in the kitchen sink with jumps.

 

[Scott512]

I think that's the most bizarre and absurd post on the subject so far.

No. Sasha and her family wanted to get away from TT and they did. All we can do is speculate as to why and wish then all well. In my opinion promises and money and less competition at the rink everyday played a role in Sashas decision. It may work out. No one knows.

Why so harsh? Scott's posting sums up quite well the possible motivation. All three skaters will know that things won't be the same anymore.

Much in their future relationships depends on the mind games the adults might want to start, will a rear rivalry be need to set up?

Interesting. I think the girls wont care about the adults mind games. Sasha has made dramatic changes in her career when we did not expect it. She has in a way thrown the gauntlet down. TT girls no doubt have noticed.

We have to remember that Plushenko tried to take Alina from Eteri so he has been lurking in the weeds for a while. Now he has a pupil of immense potential but he is also putting a ton of pressure on Sasha. Eteri and her staff did all the coaching work for sasha for 5 years and it was great. Plushenko gets a big star in Sasha who is still on the upswing. If Sasha does not fulfill her vast potential his coaching reputation may never recover. We also need to remember what Plushenko said about Nastya T after getting rid of her. His comments about the then 14 or 15 year old Nastya were simply deplorable and not worthy of an all time FS GOAT.

 

[anonymoose_au]

No. Sasha and her family wanted to get away from TT and they did. All we can do is speculate as to why and wish then all well. In my opinion promises and money and less competition at the rink everyday played a role in Sashas decision. It may work out. No one knows.

Interesting. I think the girls wont care about the adults mind games. Sasha has made dramatic changes in her career when we did not expect it. She has in a way thrown the gauntlet down. TT girls no doubt have noticed.

We have to remember that Plushenko tried to take Alina from Eteri so he has been lurking in the weeds for a while. Now he has a pupil of immense potential but he is also putting a ton of pressure on Sasha. Eteri and her staff did all the coaching work for sasha for 5 years and it was great. Plushenko gets a big star in Sasha who is still on the upswing. If Sasha does not fulfill her vast potential his coaching reputation may never recover. We also need to remember what Plushenko said about Nastya T after getting rid of her. His comments about the then 14 or 15 year old Nastya were simply deplorable and not worthy of an all time FS GOAT.

Yeah and Eteri tore Aiden Pitkeev to shreds when he left and then it turned out his injuries were so severe he had to quit skating entirely. I don't remember Eteri apologising for her horrible comments. I agree Plushy's comments about Nastya were uncalled for, but she at least can still skate.

And you don't think Plushy is under huge pressure now? People are drooling at the chance to rip into him the second Sasha falters. They're positively rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of sticking the boot in. I've seen plenty of people on this board sneer at Plushy's achievements, who truly believe he has no talent, should have been 5th in Salt Lake, was overscored in Torino, should have been off the podium in Vancouver and say with a perfectly straight face that he simply had a gold medal handed to him in Sochi without doing a damn thing.

My issue is that it won't matter what Plushy does he'll either get the blame entirely if Sasha gets anything less than a silver (she got bronze with Eteri after all) or avoid giving him a shred of credit if she does.

I bet he really enjoys looking online to see whether he's going to be called a fake coach, or if maybe it's his wife who'll get the hate today or maybe they'll both get to hear how horrible they are! Spread the fun.

 

[Edwin]

The most important challenge for Plyushchenko is to get rid of this #TeamEnvelopesToMakeThingsHappen tag.

He has some very big shoes to fill, and amongst the candidates Mr Trusov considered for the continuation of his daughter's career, Yevgeniy Viktorovich is probably the only one who has the right ego.

But in the end, Aleksandra has to do all the jumping, and many factors are out of control, the most important one being puberty and growth.

It will be hard to improve on the coaching work of #TeamTutberdizeForProgress.

First however, ice should reopen, training re-commence and the first competitions actually taking place. Which is another load of uncertainties.

 

[Pantsu]

Nah, his coaching reputation will be fine. It doesn't really matter, he can poach other athletes if needed. Somebody has to deliver sooner or later
The most surprising transfer for me was Zhilina. WHY ? Why would you move your daughter from the most prominent and dominant club in the female figure skating world to some commercial academy with zero success experience

 

[Vandevska]

I appreciate the interviews and comments from every random person in the figure skating community, while Sasha says nothing. Smart girl!

I know right?!

 

[renebaebae]

Nah, his coaching reputation will be fine. It doesn't really matter, he can poach other athletes if needed. Somebody has to deliver sooner or later
The most surprising transfer for me was Zhilina. WHY ? Why would you move your daughter from the most prominent and dominant club in the female figure skating world to some commercial academy with zero success experience

It's because she went with her coach Rozanov. I'm sure it's because she feels more comfortable training under someone she's familiar with. In this sense, coach and training are more important than club since Rozanov was the main novice tech trainer

 

[Vandevska]

Noble born honey bear? now that's laughing stock ;-)

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With Trusova gone, one less ball to juggle, fewer problems to solve

A bit late to reply, but oh well.
There's a back story to that which originated here in the forum as a result to ridiculous posts, which you clearly don't know, and I'm not gonna bother to explain it to you, because frankly I don't care enough.

Now what actually IS a laughing stock is you labeling Sasha as 'problem'.
It was clear that once someone left this would be the treatment from essentially any TeamTut fan here.
I can guarantee that it is also clear that there will be people liking Sasha more because she left as well.
This is an already seen scenario, and yes I'm referring to Zhenya leaving.
We'll see people who just posted that 3rd place (aka Sasha's season) is really not a failure, but success, that she's failed and is spiralling if she dares place anything but 1st with Plushenko.
We'll also see people who'll claim that Sasha's skating skills have improved even if they don't.

And despite being aware of both camps, I still can't help but be annoyed because so many people have judged her reasons for leaving WHICH NO ONE HAS ACTUALLY SAID. Not Sasha, not her parents, not even Pluschenko.

 

[Edwin]

Margarita Mamun: " In figure skating - transitions from coach to coach mean intrigue, investigation. People want to know. "

Rio 2016 Olympic Champion Margarita Mamun shared her opinion on why rhythmic gymnastics is not as popular as figure skating.

- Figure skating is the number one sport now. Why is there no such PR in rhythmic gymnastics? After all, you deliver no less than Gold medals. But on the front pages are quads, Tutberidze, her girls, Gnom Gnomich ...

" There are transitions from coach to coach, intrigue, investigation. People are interested. But one of the most important factors, it seems to me, is that people are accustomed to: 'Ah, synchronized swimming, rhythmic gymnastics ... Well, as usual, we have Gold.'

No wonder. Now, if we do not win gold, then perhaps they will look at those who took our Gold. And so - we just got used to the fact that we keep our grip on events from year to year: the Olympic Games, World Championships. And about the fact that there is a lot of work behind it and it’s hard to keep up, nobody really cares.

And another important factor - we are constantly competing with only a few countries, you can count on the fingers of one hand. In figure skating, unfortunately, and perhaps fortunately, there is a very big intrigue, who will win. Like in Formula 1.

People are probably more interested in this unpredictability. We all used to it - Gold, Gold, Gold. When I became fifth at the World Cup, I was invited to the studio, and the first question was - 'Shall we talk about your fifth?'

In figure skating there are ice shows that take place every year. Unfortunately, we do not have this. During the year 2017, I went on tour with a show, but I realised that the year was the only. Rhythmic gymnastics is not that much suitable a sport. We need to bend our backs, jump. This is a young sport. In figure skating everything is more loyal.

All the completed stars of figure skating continue to perform in ice shows, and in rhythmic gymnastics - acting and a little 'post career'. Also popularisation, I went to an ice show - they collect such audiences. " - said Mamun on Mariya Komandnaya's Instagram Live.
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From: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_66axIAx-e/

 

[flanker]

Yeah and Eteri tore Aiden Pitkeev to shreds when he left and then it turned out his injuries were so severe he had to quit skating entirely. I don't remember Eteri apologising for her horrible comments. I agree Plushy's comments about Nastya were uncalled for, but she at least can still skate.

And you don't think Plushy is under huge pressure now? People are drooling at the chance to rip into him the second Sasha falters. They're positively rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of sticking the boot in. I've seen plenty of people on this board sneer at Plushy's achievements, who truly believe he has no talent, should have been 5th in Salt Lake, was overscored in Torino, should have been off the podium in Vancouver and say with a perfectly straight face that he simply had a gold medal handed to him in Sochi without doing a damn thing.

My issue is that it won't matter what Plushy does he'll either get the blame entirely if Sasha gets anything less than a silver (she got bronze with Eteri after all) or avoid giving him a shred of credit if she does.

I bet he really enjoys looking online to see whether he's going to be called a fake coach, or if maybe it's his wife who'll get the hate today or maybe they'll both get to hear how horrible they are! Spread the fun.

It was him who started to blame other coaches (definitely not just Eteri) of corruption, of not proper care about their students etc. (while being known as not speaking exactly well about his own students, to put it mildly). I don't see him being in position I would feel the least amount of pity for him. If there is someone with the star fever in the world of russian figure skating in this moment, it's him.

 

[plushyfan]

Yeah and Eteri tore Aiden Pitkeev to shreds when he left and then it turned out his injuries were so severe he had to quit skating entirely. I don't remember Eteri apologising for her horrible comments. I agree Plushy's comments about Nastya were uncalled for, but she at least can still skate.

Yes. The Americans can't understand the Russians are very different people. Bloody honest they don't smiling all the time but they care about the others, they tell what are their opinions, what are their feelings. What happened with Medvedeva, Pitkeev, Nastya, etc? Nothing serious! They became stronger! They learned to protect themselves. They don't feel their souls are broken!

Alexei Zheleznykov on Sasha. It's hard, isn't it?

https://twitter.com/deathspiralls/status/1259114976742080512

And you don't think Plushy is under huge pressure now? People are drooling at the chance to rip into him the second Sasha falters. They're positively rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of sticking the boot in. I've seen plenty of people on this board sneer at Plushy's achievements, who truly believe he has no talent, should have been 5th in Salt Lake, was overscored in Torino, should have been off the podium in Vancouver and say with a perfectly straight face that he simply had a gold medal handed to him in Sochi without doing a damn thing.

My issue is that it won't matter what Plushy does he'll either get the blame entirely if Sasha gets anything less than a silver (she got bronze with Eteri after all) or avoid giving him a shred of credit if she does.

I bet he really enjoys looking online to see whether he's going to be called a fake coach, or if maybe it's his wife who'll get the hate today or maybe they'll both get to hear how horrible they are! Spread the fun

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No matter, but we know how talented how special he is. This the is reason why he has so many fans in the wrold. He inspaires thousands of people, many people started o learn Russians bc of him, etc. And he is incredible famous, many people know his name he has fans among the biggest stars (Chaterine Zeta-Jones), a star was named after him, etc...Sasha is a big responsibility he knows it but he is a strong and talentesd person, full of confidence he didn't change the easy way never. He was a hardworker and brave athlete as Trusova is. They are really similar.

IF anybody missed this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOcGnFdtq-E Plushenko's first WCH in 1998. He was 15. He changed his program when he failed his quad. Is this similar?


Otherwise Katahrine Gerbold and Plushenko are good friends for years.

 

[plushyfan]

It was him who started to blame other coaches (definitely not just Eteri) of corruption, of not proper care about their students etc. (while being known as not speaking exactly well about his own students, to put it mildly). I don't see him being in position I would feel the least amount of pity for him. If there is someone with the star fever in the world of russian figure skating in this moment, it's him.

I missed that. But maybe that was true. He was blamed from other coaches for any reason if I rith remember. He doesn't attack anyone first ( this is true!!) but he answers and defends himself hardly. But who cares about those attacks? Right? Plushenko is bad! He is bad! Ridiculous. He is a honest and brave. Probably don't know some years ago he and Mishin negotiated with the Russian Federation and asked for more salary for the coaches and choreographers...And they received it.

 

[plushyfan]

We have to remember that Plushenko tried to take Alina from Eteri so he has been lurking in the weeds for a while. .

How can you know that? How can you be sure in it? Plushenko said he didn't. Eteri said he did. But she is also a "liar". ( she was when Med has moved from her and defended herself) They met in Japan and Zagi asked him to give advices to learn quad. Probably they trained together and talked. Zagitova didn't say anything about the "lurking". You have no evidence, just opinion. The bad Plushenko. Eteri's opinion(( Plush has great potencial but he has no great sketer he wants to lurk it) to Plushenko's words. That's all.

 

[plushyfan]

He probably works harder than any of those reporters I can tell you that much.

And probably greater person in all aspect as many of us. If he doesn't do anything he will be a good guy.

You know I found very funny, when some months ago Alexei Yagudin had ridiculous and bad words on Jason Brown. But no one cares about it, that didn't receive own thread...If Plushenko said half of bad ....can you imagine what would have happened here??? This hate is manipulated by some posters. And many of the posters just follow them. This is the method on forums.

edit: Maybe you remember some years ago Medvedeva was untalented ,annoying, jumping bean, etc. When she moved to BOrser she received totally different assessment immmediately but she even didn't do anything with Orser. This hows the hipocricy of every forum.

 

[Edwin]

Seems like we have our own POTUS equivalent on the board ;-)