2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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Why not it's not bad move. Rozanov can help with 4S. If Trusova/Rozanov works by RN even if this transfer doesn't happen now, I definitely see it by December.

Are we just forgetting that Ghislain exists? Probably the most competent jump coach there ever was. Who just so happens to train Orser’s skaters? :agree: I would however support her if she felt the need for such a change, I just highly doubt it. I think she has found her happy place.

 

[JazzUp]

So tsl isn’t a trustworthy source? Who knew!...

I hope this isn’t some fake account. So may fake accounts of team Tutberidze students appear now all at once for some reason.

Adelia has another account as well, and TeamTut is subscribed to that one. Both were created today, it seems.

 

[nussnacker]

This is quoted from vk Eteri Tutberidze Group, so I guess it's not fake?

Then probably not

 

[nussnacker]

Adelia has another account as well, and TeamTut is subscribed to that one. Both were created today, it seems.

Yeah, I’m kind of scared at how *some people spread those rumors about her leaving with so much confidence.

 

[zounger]

Are we just forgetting that Ghislain exists? Probably the most competent jump coach there ever was. Who just so happens to train Orser’s skaters? :agree: I would however support her if she felt the need for such a change, I just highly doubt it. I think she has found her happy place.

No doubt she find her happy place. But achieving a result might be a different thing. So far there is no result in 4S and generally. So a move to Plushenko/Rosanov can be a nice move. They can teach the quads and give the same choreographers, there are not much changes at the end.

 

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No doubt she find her happy place. But achieving a result might be a different thing. So far there is no result in 4S and generally. So a move to Plushenko/Rosanov can be a nice move. They can teach the quads and give the same choreographers, there are not much changes at the end.

She didn’t achieve the 4S whilst training under TT, I doubt she would go back and try again with the same technique. She has felt confident enough in the new technique that she tried some at an ice show, that is a big improvement and shows progress. I don’t imagine she is too worried about it.

 

[Edwin]

One sentence from Plyushchenko's interview struck me on re-reading: " Сейчас я сам с ней общаюсь дистанционно, делимся мыслями по программам, по творчеству, по сборам - решаем, куда поедем, каких хореографов привлекать. "

сбор can mean both 'fee' and 'gathering/collecting' as in training camp. What would be the meaning in this context, both are equally applicable?

FFKKR could and should demand a transfer fee, which is exactly what Plyushchenko has in mind with his plan to revolutionise figure skating, making it commercial, with teams, leagues and transfer sums.

What kind of price would FFKKR put on the head of Trusova? After all, she is a ready made athlete with clear Olympic prospect (here and now) that state, parents and Sambo-70 have invested $$$ in. 100K, 200K, 500K, 1M? Taking all spendings over the raising and training of Aleksandra, lost future cuts on price money, sponsorships and endorsements into account?

 

[sparklestan]

Adelia has another account as well, and TeamTut is subscribed to that one. Both were created today, it seems.

That link goes to an account with the message “user doesn’t exist” for me

 

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One sentence from Plyushchenko's interview struck me on re-reading: " Сейчас я сам с ней общаюсь дистанционно, делимся мыслями по программам, по творчеству, по сборам - решаем, куда поедем, каких хореографов привлекать. "

сбор can mean both 'fee' and 'gathering/collecting' as in training camp. What would be the meaning in this context, both are equally applicable.

FFKKR could and should demand a transfer fee, which is exactly what Plyushchenko has in mind with his plan to revolutionise figure skating, making it commercial, with teams, leagues and transfer sums.

What kind of price would FFKKR put on the head of Trusova? After all, she is a ready made athlete that state, parents and Sambo-70 have invested $$$ in. 100K, 200K, 500K, 1M? Taking all spendings over the raising and training of Aleksandra, lost future cuts on price money, sponsorships and endorsements into account?

I wonder if the athlete gets to see any of that money?

 

[zounger]

She didn’t achieve the 4S whilst training under TT, I doubt she would go back and try again with the same technique. She has felt confident enough in the new technique that she tried some at an ice show, that is a big improvement and shows progress. I don’t imagine she is too worried about it.

She never trained it with Rozanov there and generally it was some attempts mentioned now and then. It was risk before Olympics. As a Medvedeva fan I would expect you to know that. Maybe you are a new Medvedeva fan so its Ok. What is Rozanov technique exactly? And why it's wrong? And why that "wrong" technique is fine for Trusova?

 

[Fried]

That link goes to an account with the message “user doesn’t exist” for me

You just have to enter her name in the insta-search, then various (!) Accounts will be displayed.

 

[Edwin]

According to Lilbet (and now I'm really sorry I don't remember where she said it, probably in one of her posts abotu her treatment in Germany) the injury is chronic - means that she has the problems for some time. Having chronic troubles doesn't mean you have problems requiring permanent "nursing", it requires regular examination. Again, it should be reminded that such injuries are not rare in any sport and the athletes continue their careers.

So, really please not incite anything, it was Lilbet herself, who pretty passionately defended her coaches from blaming about "ruining her career" and other love ltetters.

Injuries do happen, overtraining does occur, genetic disposition acting up, growth, domestic accidents too. Medvyedeva, Tursynbayeva, Kanysheva and probably lots of other athletes accrued small injuries over time, perhaps didn't heal or rest themselves properly, were forced/forced themselves to train and/or compete injured? There are so many things that can go wrong in an athlete's career with their health, wether the career is short or long.

No trainer wants to ruin his athletes on purpose (I sincerely hope so!), but they take risks. Legal adults are more responsible than minor children, here the parents should protect their child. But we all know, parents that have invested $$$ in their child, will also tell the child to stifle it and compete 'one more time, before we take you to the doctor'.

 

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She never trained it with Rozanov there and generally it was some attempts mentioned now and then. It was risk before Olympics. As a Medvedeva fan I would expect you to know that. Maybe you are a new Medvedeva fan so its Ok. What is Rozanov technique exactly? And why it's wrong? And why that "wrong" technique is fine for Trusova?

I didn’t say the technique was wrong. I just said I doubt she will go back and try again with the same technique. You can see in the style of the girls’ jumps that they use upper body and rotations a lot regardless of who trains them. TT themselves have time and time again put emphasis on light bodies that rotate fast. Evgenia’s current team are focusing on legs, partially due to long term use of that same upper body technique resulting in a back injury. I’m not saying one technique is better than another. I definitely prefer jumps powered from the legs more, but to each their own. There are some lovely skaters who rotate through their jumps with less than desirable height and it works for them. Trusova is very lucky to have both height and rotation. She is very much a jumping machine and I doubt much could interfere with that.

 

[Edwin]

You just have to enter her name in the insta-search, then various (!) Accounts will be displayed.

No, I had it open on a tab, and after refresh IG gave the 'page not available' message. IG accounts are fleeting like feathers on the wind, so it could've been a fake account, or was put on invisible so content could be added or just to reserve the name. Verification of any social media account is the only way to make it authentic, but I believe that VK Trusova account was also verified, while Aleksandra's father told it was fake and they didn't know who owns and controls it.

Three more days on the official transfer window, and tension is mounting, who else has been poached or ensnared in Plyushchenko's magniloquent interview of today?

Even for Petrosyan, whose parents could just been following Rozanov, it could very well come down to the choice of agony: who instills the greater fear, Eteri Georgiyevna or Yevgeniy Viktorovich? ;-)

Or who the parents think offers the better prospects for development of their child's career: state financed Sambo-70's Khrustalniy department or private financed Plyushchenko's Angels?

Both systems have their pros and cons, burdens and proceeds. One could image in commercial, private enterprises, the parents have a greater say in general, after all 'he who pays, controls'. Which might appeal more to people with a sense for business, like Mr Trusov. Once could doubt any other Russian 'state school' trainer would be really different from Eteri Georgiyevna when it comes to authority and decisions.

 

[zounger]

I didn’t say the technique was wrong. I just said I doubt she will go back and try again with the same technique. You can see in the style of the girls’ jumps that they use upper body and rotations a lot regardless of who trains them. TT themselves have time and time again put emphasis on light bodies that rotate fast. Evgenia’s current team are focusing on legs, partially due to long term use of that same upper body technique resulting in a back injury. I’m not saying one technique is better than another. I definitely prefer jumps powered from the legs more, but to each their own. There are some lovely skaters who rotate through their jumps with less than desirable height and it works for them. Trusova is very lucky to have both height and rotation. She is very much a jumping machine and I doubt much could interfere with that.

Valieva has the best quad at the moment no much pre-rotation, right take off nice landing and last time I checked she jumps with legs no arms or body. So why Medvedeva cannot learn such quad? Both Trusova and Valieva achieve more than 55-60 cm in height in their jumps. Do you think that they achieve that height with their arms and body? The speed in rotation ok, yes. But the height is in it with the legs and training. Medvedeva can benefit from that training with Rozanov. In her current team we don't see much result so far anyway, I don't see the risk.

 

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Valieva has the best quad at the moment no much pre-rotation, right take off nice landing and last time I checked she jumps with legs no arms or body. So why Medvedeva cannot learn such quad? Both Trusova and Valieva achieve more than 55-60 cm in height in their jumps. Do you think that they achieve that height with their arms and body? The speed in rotation ok, yes. But the height is in it with the legs and training. Medvedeva can benefit from that training with Rozanov. In her current team we don't see much result so far anyway, I don't see the risk.

You’re entitled to your opinion. It’s a subjective sport after all. :agree:

 

[sparklestan]

You just have to enter her name in the insta-search, then various (!) Accounts will be displayed.

Ahhh I see, thanks. Still, only following the TT acc and a fan group (no teammates or friends/family) and no bio makes me think it’s a bit sketchy but I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

 

[zounger]

You’re entitled to your opinion. It’s a subjective sport after all. :agree:

Do you have opposite opinion to the fact that those two skaters jump more than 60cm in height? For me it's obvious that everyone has an opinion I don't know why even to mentioned that. After all you know what they say about opinions...

What I wanted to say is that she didn't achieved any results so far,it might be a good timing to move to other coach now. Since the duo of Plushenko/Rozanov and the other members of the team looks promising.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

Do you have opposite opinion to the fact that those two skaters jump more than 60cm in height? For me it's obvious that everyone has an opinion I don't know why even to mentioned that. After all you know what they say about opinions...

What I wanted to say is that she didn't achieved any results so far,it might be a good timing to move to other coach now. Since the duo of Plushenko/Rozanov and the other members of the team looks promising.

I think everyone has different opinions about technique and all that lovely figure skating technical stuff. However this is not the thread for that conversation. I wish Trusova all the best and I think she will do brilliantly with her new team. I’m sure the team will have some great results next season. I am however happy with where Evgenia is currently training and would not wish for her to move coaches.

 

[Good Vibes Only]

Do you have opposite opinion to the fact that those two skaters jump more than 60cm in height? For me it's obvious that everyone has an opinion I don't know why even to mentioned that. After all you know what they say about opinions...

What I wanted to say is that she didn't achieved any results so far,it might be a good timing to move to other coach now. Since the duo of Plushenko/Rozanov and the other members of the team looks promising.

Zhenya did get third at the world championships last season, I wouldn’t call that “no results”. Also, I don’t know if Plushenko and Rozanov would accept her because she would be a direct competitor against Sasha.

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Do you have opposite opinion to the fact that those two skaters jump more than 60cm in height? For me it's obvious that everyone has an opinion I don't know why even to mentioned that. After all you know what they say about opinions...

What I wanted to say is that she didn't achieved any results so far,it might be a good timing to move to other coach now. Since the duo of Plushenko/Rozanov and the other members of the team looks promising.

Zhenya did get third at the world championships last season, I wouldn’t call that “no results”. Also, I don’t know if Plushenko and Rozanov would accept her because she would be a direct competitor against Sasha.