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I didn't make comparison with Eteri, I said she doesn't have any results with Brain Orser. I like her better now. Just I think if she moves to Plushenko/Rozanov she will improve further.

But you did make a comparison with Eteri, said she won medals at RusNats only with Eteri, qualified to GPF etc. I‘m sorry if I have misunderstood that somehow. :scratch2:

Results with Brian are debatable. There are so many what-ifs. What if her skates had not broken at RusNats? What if she hadn‘t failed the SP at Skate Canada? She would have a medal, most likely, at both competitions, and then? She could have gone to Euros and GPF... she had a lot of bad luck, sure, but it‘s useless to think of what could have been. For me her results with Brian are fine with where she‘s at right now. But you can see this differently, of course, after all, everyone has their own opinion. :)

As for her move to Plushenko/Rozanov. Well, I‘m not convinced. I‘m sure they’re qualified but Evgenia spent the last two seasons getting used to the Canadian school of teaching skating. It took her quite a lot of time and she said the differences were totally obvious. But.. if she changes coaches again, she‘ll have to go back to what she had before. Two years before the Olympics.. And for what? I just don‘t see it. But maybe she‘ll surprise me, I don‘t know for sure after all.
 
But you did make a comparison with Eteri, said she won medals at RusNats only with Eteri, qualified to GPF etc. I‘m sorry if I have misunderstood that somehow. :scratch2:

I didn't say only, you get the attention to the wrong direction. I said she had results. I din't compared the actual skating. Someone can improve for someone but no have results, it's not mutually exclusive.
 
I didn't say only, you get the attention to the wrong direction. I said she had results. I din't compared the actual skating. Someone can improve for some but no have results, it's not mutually exclusive.

Of course it‘s not mutually exclusive! But that‘s the thing - Evgenia IS improving, like you said. That she‘s not having “results“ is due to something else - the competition constantly changing. And I don‘t know how Plushenko and Rozanov could help her there. They can‘t take away the quads and triple axels from her competitors and I doubt they‘d be able to teach her a 4S more quickly than e.g. Brian and Ghislain could. That‘s why I just don‘t see any reasoning behind a coaching change. But that‘s just my personal opinion. Zhenya will decide for herself.
 
Mariya Butyrskaya commented on Trusova’s departure from Tutberidze

The famous skater believes that Aleksandra could "offer some interesting things"

The transfer of the skater Aleksandra Trusova from Eteri Tutberidze to Yevgeniy Plyushchenko led to another scandal in the world of sports. The famous skater Mariya Butyrskaya explained what could have caused this abrupt change of coach.

In recent days, three athletes left the team of Eteri Tutberidze: among the most famous are the bronze medalist of the European Championship and the Grand Prix Finals, Aleksandra Trusova. For a merited trainer of Russia, this would seem to be a powerful blow. However, venerable ice stars told MK that Tutberidze only lost a little with the departure of Trusova.

The first Russian World Champion in women's single skating, three-time European Champion Mariya Butyrskaya put forward her version of Trusova’s departure from Tutberidze.

- This is a difficult question - the reason for a coaching change .. So, there was some kind of ambiguity between the athlete and the coach. In figure skating, this situation happens quite often, ” Mariya began. - Dropouts never occur instantly. Often a person feels that something is missing, something is interfering. He wants to try himself with another coach, believing that the result will be better. Dissatisfaction involves various factors, let’s say so.

-- Trusova’s decision to leave the team of the strongest coach shocked fans of figure skating ...

- This is normal. Moreover, Sasha did not train for long with Eteri, she left Aleksandr Volkov not so long ago ... Therefore ... Who knows. She decided that she would be more comfortable in the team of Yevgeniy Plyushchenko. I would not like to tell any nasty things in this situation. All the same, we will never know the truth, and we don’t have bother ourselves over it now - time itself will judge.

-- Did Aleksandra do the right thing in terms of the level of coaching?

- In any case, this is her decision. Therefore, no one has the right to take this choice from her.

-- Have you had “incomprehensible” situations with your coach, because of which you had to leave?

- I didn't. I’ve switched only once in my life. From one coach to another famous coach Yelena Anatolyevna Tchaikovskaya, but in my situation it was such a right and competent decision that I've never regretted it.

I’ll explain, before Tchaikovskaya, I understood that I did not fully realize myself as an athlete. I needed a very strong incentive. Yelena Anatolyevna very strongly supported me at that moment. Before her, they told me that I was the “queen of training,” but I couldn’t get it done in actual competition. Although they gave me the equipment, it wasn’t in the right mood. But Yelena Anatolyevna very quickly dealt with this.

-- A coach for the skater is like a second mom?

- It is very important for an athlete to feel comfortable with their coach, there should be no irritation in work. In a combination of a coach and an athlete, there should be respect and absolute trust. I explained to you earlier, we will not know until the end what happened between Sasha and Eteri. How this all happened is hard to understand. Did Sasha come to this? Or was she invited and offered some interesting things? Perhaps Aleksandra herself will tell later. But leaving your trainer is so natural in figure skating that I would not even pay attention. Eteri Georgiyevna has a lot of good athletes. She has Shcherbakova, Kostornaya, who performed at the European Championships together with Trusova. I repeat, she has a lot of good athletes. She will not be left without skaters, and Sasha ...

-- What is the strength of Tutberidze?

- Personally, I like that Eteri Georgiyevna has competition in the team. It would really encourage me! The more competitive people next to you, the more you try, you look at them and think: “Yeah, I’ll go too, I’ll do something too, something else!” For an athlete, the desire to emulate someone is very useful! Watching as someone jumps quadruples and thinking: “I’ll go! And I will do it too! ”

(c) Екатерина Скрижалина
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From: https://www.mk.ru/sport/2020/05/12/...mentirovala-ukhod-trusovoy-ot-tutberidze.html
 
Of course it‘s not mutually exclusive! But that‘s the thing - Evgenia IS improving, like you said. That she‘s not having “results“ is due to something else - the competition constantly changing. And I don‘t know how Plushenko and Rozanov could help her there. They can‘t take away the quads and triple axels from her competitors and I doubt they‘d be able to teach her a 4S more quickly than e.g. Brian and Ghislain could. That‘s why I just don‘t see any reasoning behind a coaching change. But that‘s just my personal opinion. Zhenya will decide for herself.

Why not? Rozanov actually taught a quad to a lady/girl. Orser and Ghislain as far I know haven't, so I don't know if they are better.
 
Why not? Rozanov actually taught a quad to a lady/girl. Orser and Ghislain as far I know haven't, so I don't know if they are better.

They could potentially teach her a quad or they could also not be able to. I don’t think that Zhenya should change coaches. Her coaches obviously love her and the rest of her team loves her too. She also seems happy at TCC, so as long as she is happy I don’t think that she should change coaches. There is a reason why she went abroad for coaching instead of staying in Russia. Zhenya wants to be coached by someone who has experience teaching quads, has coached students to Olympic gold medals, allows her to have freedom in picking music and choreographers, and who is careful with her then growing body. So, while she could change coaches to join Plushenko, I don’t know if they would be able to give her all of that.
 
But you did make a comparison with Eteri, said she won medals at RusNats only with Eteri, qualified to GPF etc. I‘m sorry if I have misunderstood that somehow. :scratch2:

Results with Brian are debatable. There are so many what-ifs. What if her skates had not broken at RusNats? What if she hadn‘t failed the SP at Skate Canada? She would have a medal, most likely, at both competitions, and then? She could have gone to Euros and GPF... she had a lot of bad luck, sure, but it‘s useless to think of what could have been. For me her results with Brian are fine with where she‘s at right now. But you can see this differently, of course, after all, everyone has their own opinion. :)

As for her move to Plushenko/Rozanov. Well, I‘m not convinced. I‘m sure they’re qualified but Evgenia spent the last two seasons getting used to the Canadian school of teaching skating. It took her quite a lot of time and she said the differences were totally obvious. But.. if she changes coaches again, she‘ll have to go back to what she had before. Two years before the Olympics.. And for what? I just don‘t see it. But maybe she‘ll surprise me, I don‘t know for sure after all.

There are always what if's, and also situations where comparisons are good and situations where comparisona are not that good. I again repeat that Lilbet has suffered her injury being at TCC, during the start of then last season it just returned back. she herself reminded that "injuries happen even in Canada".

As for jumping specialists at TCC, well, they do a good work with men, I guess, though I cannot say I'm precisely amazed with the jumps of the current or recently coached ladies, at least those I'm aware of (Evgenia, Ekaterina Kurakova, Yi Zhu). And not at all becuse they don't do quads or 3A.

As for Alina's results compared. IMO without motivation, no coaching method can help, Eteri's, Brian's. Maybe it's a pity Eteri persuaded her to try, but on the other hand I can imagine the voices in case she would have announced the hiatus just after the victory at worlds. We will see if she realizes that she wants to compete and win again, than we can judge (and I think that she would hardly train quads without the new motivation now, so there is hope).
 
They could potentially teach her a quad or they could also not be able to. I don’t think that Zhenya should change coaches. Her coaches obviously love her and the rest of her team loves her too. She also seems happy at TCC, so as long as she is happy I don’t think that she should change coaches. There is a reason why she went abroad for coaching instead of staying in Russia. Zhenya wants to be coached by someone who has experience teaching quads, has coached students to Olympic gold medals, allows her to have freedom in picking music and choreographers, and who is careful with her then growing body. So, while she could change coaches to join Plushenko, I don’t know if they would be able to give her all of that.

He can give all that to Trusova but not to Medvedeva? I don't get why there is so much difference. I can get that she is happy though.
 
If Evgenia doesn‘t have the results she used to have, it’s not because she‘s become a weaker skater or because she‘s not improving. It‘s because the competition has changed as have the requirements to stay competitive.
Her scores sure don't show that "improvement". Competition has nothing to do with it.
 
Her scores sure don't show that "improvement". Competition has nothing to do with it.

Competition has everything to do with it and that’s a fact. When Evgenia came on to the scene as a senior backloading was a new thing along with her technical content. Now that has evolved with each generation. It is wholly ignorant of the sport’s progression to suggest competition has nothing to do with it. It’s a back handed comment for the girls in your profile picture to even suggest that. You essentially shadow their achievements with statements like that.
 
The first Russian World Champion in women's single skating, three-time European Champion Mariya Butyrskaya: (...) For an athlete, the desire to emulate someone is very useful! Watching as someone jumps quadruples and thinking: I'll go! And I will do it too! (...)
Good example. And I believe that the other skaters benefited more from the icebreaker Trusova than vice versa (so much for the thesis that Sasha can't stand the competition). Basically, you could say that she was largely the initiator of what TeamTutberizue currently ensures dominance. In this respect, Sasha not only owes TeamTutberidze thanks, but also vice versa.

Everyone knows this old interview for sure, but who knows ... (by the way, turn on the English subtitles!)
https://youtu.be/o7M6PSdqjf4
 
What awaits Aleksandra Trusova after switching from Eteri Tutberidze?

" Trusova must be offered everything and work." Interview with the former coach of the star skater

Coach Aleksandr Volkov, who worked with Trusova at Khrustalniy, spoke about what was happening around his former ward.

In the situation around Alexandra Trusova, the most informed expert is Aleksandr Volkov. It was he who took her to his group at Sambo-70, when he worked there along with Eteri Tutberidze. When Trusova went directly over to the head coach of Khrustalniy, Volkov followed the path that Sergey Rozanov and some skaters are now following, and started working at the Academy of Yevgeniy Plyushchenko. Moreover, the son of the first Soviet World Champion Sergey Volkov also crossed paths with Rozanov at the rink.

A year ago, Volkov spoke harshly about the methods of work of Tutberidze with Aleksandra and other children.

She, it seems to me, is just pressing them. If a puppy is sitting in front of you, you can shout at it, hit it with a stick, and it will obey your command and will sit. Why? Because he is simply afraid of you. But when the puppy grows into a big shepherd, then if you swipe it with a stick, he will most likely bite you, he told RIA Novosti.

When we talked last winter at the Russian Cup after Trusova’s successful start at senior level, everything seemed cloudless, but Volkov saw problems. There was a reaction to harsh words:

There was negativity, of course, and a lot of things were written on the Internet, but the pressure was not coming from the fans. Do not exaggerate here.

Of course, Sasha has grown a lot. She is simply unattainable in terms of jumping, the best in the world. Probably, when you have three or four quadruples in your program, it’s also difficult to work on the components. They chose this path, intensified the jumps, and followed it. This is also an approach.

Nobody knows how long she can be in figure skating. Sasha has always been a strong girl with strong legs. I hope it will be enough for lasting a long time. The only thing is the health of Sasha and her colleagues that jump quads.

Six months later, much has changed - Trusova failed to impose a challenge on Alyona Kostornaya and Anna Shcherbakova. But now Aleksandr Volkov will have the opportunity to contact Trusova directly. Trying to extend her career and make her even more successful will be another coach - Sergey Rozanov, but other specialists from the Plyushchenko Academy may come to the rescue. Yesterday, however, Volkov briefly disappeared from the list of trainers on the school’s website. A new explosive transfer did not happen - soon his name returned to its place.

All current Tutberidze students have former trainers

-- Alexander Sergeyevich, you disappeared from the Plyushchenko’s Academy website yesterday, are you up to date?

- I don’t visit it often, to be honest. (laughs) I'm gone, right?

-- But three hours later you reappeared.

- I don’t know, maybe they were repairing something there. It was my day off, I took my motorcycle and went for a drive on business. Getting my coronavirus permit, of course. When I returned back, I just found out from you. I think it's okay.

-- Are you going to work at all in the near future? The president seems to have canceled the weekend.

- But there is the mayor, his decision is also important. It is unlikely that we will open. I did not talk with Yevgeniy, but I think that no one will allow us to work.

-- You almost never participate in information battles, but you probably saw what was happening. Do you think this could affect Sasha Trusova?

- Surely Sasha was advised to protect herself from social media for a while.In her place I'd generally take down all accounts and disable all apps. For her, the best option is to send everyone far away for long and do her job. Because so many things are poured over Trusova, Rozanov, Plyushchenko and the whole Academy ... It is very disgusting to look at. I do not want to argue that Sasha is a child, but the nightmare and idiocy are real.

-- Well, according to the Constitution, Sasha is definitely a child.

- Cannot argue with that. In any case, she made a decision, her parents accepted, a person left. What is this about? Betrayal, something else ... But let's be honest - download the list of athletes who have come to Eteri over the past five years. They will all have former coaches. I don’t want to talk about the methods that Khrustalniy uses to attract them, I didn’t want to get into it. But it turns out that they can squeeze athletes from other coaches who invested their whole soul, but their own can not leave school - this is a betrayal. Somehow it all sounds strange. It seemed they felt untouchable. Sometimes it’s useful to look at yourself from the side.

-- Eteri Georgiyevna reacted, by the way, rather restrained.

- She understands that it is not worth talking, but many from her circles have spoken up. Why pour such dirt?

Over a year of working with Plyushchenko, Titova rose from 23rd place in Moscow to first in Russia

-- Do you understand why Sasha left?

- Only she and Eteri know why. When people disagree, it's always like this. Just as parting with students is a normal part of a trainer's work.

-- Regulate all these things with contracts - a real option?

- This has been discussed for a long time. I'm not sure if this is possible - what about the separation between amateur and professional sports? We have all this type of training for free, you earn on prize money, advertising. This is not soccer where clubs pay players. Although it seems to be a sport too, what's the difference? It is necessary to find out the legal side of the issue, this should be decided by the Ministry of Sports, somewhere at the state level. And all the dates of transitions are registered by the federation, this is regulated.

-- Will you take part in working with Aleksandra? You once had the experience.

- I can say that when she came to Sambo-70, she seemed very hardworking to me. She had funny images, with her two pigtails she stood out immediately! And after all, the leadership of Khrustalniy did not really want to take her at first, but Viktor Nikolayevich Kudryavtsev insisted.

As for the current work, we will decide together, we have a team of trainers. Yevgeniy will distribute all the responsibilities. If they ask me, I will help, without question. Sof'ya Titova, Sarnovskih are lead by Yevgeniy. Sonya at the last Championship of Moscow immediately after her transition from Khrustalniy took 23rd place, and a year later this winter she won both Moscow and Russia. This in answer to the question of Plyushchenko’s coaching abilities, it was he who worked with her. If I was asked something, of course, I prompted. And Yevgeniy helps me, advises, Dima Mikhailov does a great job, he is always there. We have complete mutual assistance.

-- Maybe your group will accept newcomers soon?

- After Stanislava Konstantinova - not yet. Still, the time is unusual, everyone is sitting at home.

-- A few hours ago, ISU published new rules in which it equated triple Lutz and Flip in complexity, and in the quadruples 11 points for Lutz, Flip and Rittberger. What do you think?

- Sounds weird. It seemed to me that Flip and Lutz are more difficult to jump. Although more difficult to whom? At the quadruple level, everything is individual, and for someone, the Rittberger is more complicated. It will be necessary to study the changes. In any case, our students are ready to fight under any rules if they are the same for everyone.

(c) Дмитрий Кузнецов
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From: https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...a-v-shkolu-plyuschenko-ot-tutberidze-1671998/

Kuznetsov not really digging for dirt this time, but ....

https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...ya-na-instagram-akademii-plyuschenko-1671969/

he cannot resist to try and raise some dust ;-)
 
Her scores sure don't show that "improvement". Competition has nothing to do with it.

?
this season Zhenya has the best total score among the ladies with no triple axel nor "quad", surpassing some who have such and is behind only the 3-A and Rika.
 
Mariya Butyrskaya commented on Trusova’s departure from Tutberidze

Thanks for the interesting post. :yes:

The transfer of the skater Aleksandra Trusova from Eteri Tutberidze to Yevgeniy Plyushchenko led to another scandal in the world of sports.


I don't get the word "scandal." What's scandalous about an athlete switching coaches?

[Before switching to my new coach] Tchaikovskaya, I understood that I did not fully realize myself as an athlete. I needed a very strong incentive. Yelena Anatolyevna very strongly supported me at that moment. Before her, they told me that I was the “queen of training,” but I couldn’t get it done in actual competition. Although they gave me the equipment, it wasn’t in the right mood. But Yelena Anatolyevna very quickly dealt with this.

I think this is quite perceptive on Maria's part. She did seem to lack self-confidene in the early part of her career and to skate tentatively in her biggest competitions. I think the chage helped her get her head on the right track. maybe the new coach believed in her more strongly.
 
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