2019-20 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[ancientpeas]

Thanks for the article Edwin.

Now I want to learn a quadruple sheepskin coat. It sounds warm and toasty.

 

[ancientpeas]

My bet the Bolshoi choreographer will be Sergei Filin ( Ex Bolshoi director his face was poured down by someone with acid a few years ago if you remember). They are good friends they worked together not once. Sometimes he held ballet lessons on the Academy.

This program was choreographed by Filin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57grdU9z-70 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bA8HK5xkJA the haters can be happy he fell in a 2A

That's horrible. Acid to the face! Ack.

I swear Plushenko has more charisma in his little finger than a lot of skaters have in their whole body. It's actually amazing because I like him but I don't consider myself a huge fan and yet he is the kind of skater you can't not watch.

 

[Edwin]

Thanks for the article Edwin.

Now I want to learn a quadruple sheepskin coat. It sounds warm and toasty.

Smelly and smothering most likely, four layers of sheepskin ....

 

[ruga]

https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/1085546713.html
Gorshkov says that too many skaters are leaving Russia to skate for other countries so now they have to sit out 2 years instead of one. Not sure if I agree with that rule, there are many good skaters who will never break out even to Challenger series from Russia and who have relations to other countries. These skaters are virtually unknown to general public so I personally do not believe that it's necessarily a good idea. Also, it can encourage some promising, but not yet medal winning young skaters to change their federation if they have a chance just because of that rule.

 

[laybackrelaxspinfast]

https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/1085546713.html
Gorshkov says that too many skaters are leaving Russia to skate for other countries so now they have to sit out 2 years instead of one. Not sure if I agree with that rule, there are many good skaters who will never break out even to Challenger series from Russia and who have relations to other countries. These skaters are virtually unknown to general public so I personally do not believe that it's necessarily a good idea. Also, it can encourage some promising, but not yet medal winning young skaters to change their federation if they have a chance just because of that rule.

I wonder if this is their way to gently push the idea of allowing more spots to countries whose skaters perform well internationally.

 

[Edwin]

That's horrible. Acid to the face! Ack.

I swear Plushenko has more charisma in his little finger than a lot of skaters have in their whole body. It's actually amazing because I like him but I don't consider myself a huge fan and yet he is the kind of skater you can't not watch.

Acid attacks, those are hate at a whole different level of inhumanity. And in ballet even? But ballet is very big in Russia, and perhaps some people are ready to kill for a position?

I wonder if this is their way to gently push the idea of allowing more spots to countries whose skaters perform well internationally.

I don't know, there is still only three medalists, but lower finishers still get a small share of the price money.

Somebody tallied Russia's earnings from last season's JGP, GP and Europeans, easily adds up to half a million in hard currency?

 

[Pantsu]

https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/1085546713.html
Gorshkov says that too many skaters are leaving Russia to skate for other countries so now they have to sit out 2 years instead of one. Not sure if I agree with that rule, there are many good skaters who will never break out even to Challenger series from Russia and who have relations to other countries. These skaters are virtually unknown to general public so I personally do not believe that it's necessarily a good idea. Also, it can encourage some promising, but not yet medal winning young skaters to change their federation if they have a chance just because of that rule.

They can always avoid going to Nationals, if they think about changing the flag

 

[Alex65]

Is it really because of Shabotova and Safonova? Or someone else tried to do this?

 

[Edwin]

Is it really because of Shabotova and Safonova? Or someone else tried to do this?

Gorshkov said they receive 30-40 requests every year ...

 

[Scott512]

Plyushchenko himself started talking about 'envelopes to make things happen' in that December 2019 interview on his war with #TeamTutberidzeForProgress.

When you start talking about corruption, you immediately taint yourself, esp. when always bragging about throwing money around, being able to buy whole teams at a frill.

Same with the 'complete devotion 24/7 to make Trusova the greatest female skater ever' etc. Such loudly proclaimed big promises will only end in disappointment.

Thinking twice before talking/shouting definitely would help here. Because you create this attitude of amorality and toxicity surrounding you yourself, and it is very difficult to get rid of people's impressions later.

Us silly foreign fans do not matter, but the Russian general audience, fans, serious media, yellow pages and gossip rags, sponsors, federation officials, ISU officials etc do.

Yevgeniy Viktorovich needs to bend his image to the positive or stay silent. What he makes of Trusova will be most interesting to follow from all human, social, communication and business aspects.

PS: hate is such a big and nasty word. I do not know the person, and the private Plyushchenko does not interest me at all. It is skating coach Plyushchenko's talking and behaviour that I dislike.

PSS: coach and trainer are different things too.

very well said. Plushenko and his actions are very disturbing because it's not becoming of one of the all-time greats in figure skating. Just congratulate your girl and move on. Eteri has the numbers game on all levels. Sofia 1 this event and good for her. But so what.

So there is essentially no chance for somebody to change federations now when they want to get into the 2022 Olympic Games? That window has just been closed.

Gorshkov said it is precisely to discourage 'poaching' of Russian skaters from the abroad: https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...azhdyy-god-po-30-40-zayavok-prihodit-1672917/

Apparently they get 30-40 requests each year.

He also told Tarasova and Rodnina to stop fighting and raising scandal: https://www.sport-express.ru/figure...a-dolzhny-dogovoritsya-obo-vsem-sami-1672919/

Gorschkov needs to have a talk with Plushenko pleading with him not to raise the level of vitriol between skating clubs. Evgeni has done absolutely nothing as a coach with talented skaters like Nastya T and SS. He may in time become a good coach but that remains to be seen. He obviously needed to get young talent in his system that was created by another coach. IE EG.

Also the president of the Russian skating Federation needs to Die the next transfer from EG to plushenko. Let him and his staff develop their own talent instead of pilfering it from others with many promise$.

 

[Scott512]

https://m.sports.ru/figure-skating/1085546713.html
Gorshkov says that too many skaters are leaving Russia to skate for other countries so now they have to sit out 2 years instead of one. Not sure if I agree with that rule, there are many good skaters who will never break out even to Challenger series from Russia and who have relations to other countries. These skaters are virtually unknown to general public so I personally do not believe that it's necessarily a good idea. Also, it can encourage some promising, but not yet medal winning young skaters to change their federation if they have a chance just because of that rule.

That and he is crazy. Skaters need to take that BS to court! We all know the skaters who never got a shot. If they want to leave sitting out 2 years is nuts. Would they really do that to Nugamova and gubanova if they wanted to leave?

 

[Edwin]

That and he is crazy. Skaters need to take that BS to court! We all know the skaters who never got a shot. If they want to leave sitting out 2 years is nuts. Would they really do that to Nugamova and gubanova if they wanted to leave?

From what I gather from other boards, the motion has already passed. Wether any skater thinking of switching federations will take FFKKR to court? I doubt it, fighting a state supported organisation is very difficult and can get 'political' quickly, which means you can get in serious trouble.

 

[Scott512]

I'm sad that she's coming back for this season that might not really happen

Yes scary. If they have a season they need to start with worlds since its still 2020 in the fall. Worlds is much more important than GP events and challengers.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

Acid attacks, those are hate at a whole different level of inhumanity. And in ballet even? But ballet is very big in Russia, and perhaps some people are ready to kill for a position?

Ah, that infamous case from 2013... Yes, if you can believe it, Bolshoi Theatre politics are worse than Russian Ladies Skating! I think the situation is better in the smaller ballet companies though. As with skating and other things in life, high profile and prestige attract trouble.

Glad to hear that Filin remains involved in dance through choreography. However, when they mentioned a Bolshoi choreographer for Trusova, my first though was Yuri Smekalov who I know has worked with skaters in the past. Also, Ramil Mekhdiev (though Igor Moiseyev ensemble, not Bolshoi) is another dancer involved in skating choreography (e.g. Samarin and several Russian junior pairs)

 

[LRK]

But who are you thinking? I don't think she is a Lori Nichol skater tbh. I think she might have fun with Shae-Lynn or Benoit's kind of choreography.

Emanuel Sandhu is a distinct possibility. He and Plushy are good friends, and he's worked with him a lot. When Adelina was first planning her comeback, Eman was actually in Russia to choreograph her programs when she got injured. So he did a bit of work at the school instead with the younger students, held a few classes &c. After which he's both performed in and helped choreograph Plushy's shows.

 

[plushyfan]

Ah, that infamous case from 2013... Yes, if you can believe it, Bolshoi Theatre politics are worse than Russian Ladies Skating! I think the situation is better in the smaller ballet companies though. As with skating and other things in life, high profile and prestige attract trouble.

Glad to hear that Filin remains involved in dance through choreography. However, when they mentioned a Bolshoi choreographer for Trusova, my first though was Yuri Smekalov who I know has worked with skaters in the past. Also, Ramil Mekhdiev (though Igor Moiseyev ensemble, not Bolshoi) is another dancer involved in skating choreography (e.g. Samarin and several Russian junior pairs)

Smekalov is dancer and choreographer in Mariinsky Theater in St. Petersburg. Smekalov choreographed Plushenko's Tribute to Nijnsky LP. That was his first work with figure skater.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

Smekalov is dancer and choreographer in Mariinsky Theater in St. Petersburg. Smekalov choreographed Plushenko's Tribute to Nijnsky LP. That was his first work with figure skater.

Ah my mistake, I thought he was from the Bolshoi when I saw him listed in the staff directory... Seems like his dance career was mostly with Mariinsky, but now does choreography for both theatres.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Full list:

On the composition of candidates for the national teams of Russia

The FFKKR Executive Committee approved the composition of candidates for the national teams of Russia. A detailed list will be published on the FFKKR website later, subject to necessary amendments, in connection with the transition of athletes from one coach to another.

The team in women's single skating included: Alina Zagitova, Alena Kostornaya, Evgeny Medvedev, Alexander Trusov, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Anna Shcherbakova. In reserve: Anastasia Gulyakova, Sofia Samodurova, Ksenia Sinitsyna.

https://www.fsrussia.ru/news/5013-c...prosy-zasedanie-proshlo-v-rezhime-onlajn.html

Oh good I'm happy to see Sofia S on the reserve list at least. Does that mean she gets to do Challenge events?

 

[Scott512]

Plyushchenko himself started talking about 'envelopes to make things happen' in that December 2019 interview on his war with #TeamTutberidzeForProgress.

When you start talking about corruption, you immediately taint yourself, esp. when always bragging about throwing money around, being able to buy whole teams at a frill.

Same with the 'complete devotion 24/7 to make Trusova the greatest female skater ever' etc. Such loudly proclaimed big promises will only end in disappointment.

Thinking twice before talking/shouting definitely would help here. Because you create this attitude of amorality and toxicity surrounding you yourself, and it is very difficult to get rid of people's impressions later.

Us silly foreign fans do not matter, but the Russian general audience, fans, serious media, yellow pages and gossip rags, sponsors, federation officials, ISU officials etc do.

Yevgeniy Viktorovich needs to bend his image to the positive or stay silent. What he makes of Trusova will be most interesting to follow from all human, social, communication and business aspects.

PS: hate is such a big and nasty word. I do not know the person, and the private Plyushchenko does not interest me at all. It is skating coach Plyushchenko's talking and behaviour that I dislike.

PSS: coach and trainer are different things too.

True.

Oh good I'm happy to see Sofia S on the reserve list at least. Does that mean she gets to do Challenge events?

Yes.

 

[Amei]

Full list:

On the composition of candidates for the national teams of Russia

The FFKKR Executive Committee approved the composition of candidates for the national teams of Russia. A detailed list will be published on the FFKKR website later, subject to necessary amendments, in connection with the transition of athletes from one coach to another.

The team in women's single skating included: Alina Zagitova, Alena Kostornaya, Evgeny Medvedev, Alexander Trusov, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Anna Shcherbakova. In reserve: Anastasia Gulyakova, Sofia Samodurova, Ksenia Sinitsyna.

https://www.fsrussia.ru/news/5013-c...prosy-zasedanie-proshlo-v-rezhime-onlajn.html

Is this fewer skaters than what they usually have on the national teams?