Speed will also increase the PCS score.
2019-20 U.S. Ladies Figure Skating
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I think it will follow Mao’s career more. They have similar problems, Mao also had issues with speed as a junior. With Carolina, it wasn’t just speed. You could see the rotation issues already as a junior, she just wasn’t getting called on them.
Alysa is working with TCC for her jumps, which is really focused on great SS. If she sticks with them, we should see improvement in the future.
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I've seen her in person at Nationals, and she didn't seem that slow to me either. She just skated and sparkled. I'm not a judge or a skater, though.
Alysa's movements, with everything, from arms and legs to her torso and even her head, give such qualities to her skating that I find very unusual, especially for one so young who's combining them with high level jumping. She's got a very grown-up sensibility in her skating, as though the expression is built right into the technique, and as though she knows why she's skating the way she does. As a passionate fan, I'd much rather see that than the speed that some of the other girls her age have, where all the transitions and other movements seem so rushed.
As someone said, it will be interesting to see how the judges feel about the speed issue.
Wow. Her technical content is just amazing and I can see the influence of Lori Nichol on her skating...Alysa's stroking and musical expression have improved a great deal in a short time (thanks Lori). I still think her patterns on the ice though look a bit "small." She does not yet utilize the entire ice surface.
Judged as a (1st year) junior Alysa is doing just fine (ie she still has junior level skating skills) but I do see that some of her junior peers like Tarakonova and Valieva are ahead of her in these areas. I also think that more speed would help Alysa maintain her jumps as she grows.
Judged as a (1st year) junior Alysa is doing just fine (ie she still has junior level skating skills) but I do see that some of her junior peers like Tarakonova and Valieva are ahead of her in these areas. I also think that more speed would help Alysa maintain her jumps as she grows.
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I hope this is allowed ... ISU is showing the JGP programs live. The final ladies' SP group just began and Alysa will skate in 14 or 15 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxSL1iR2YMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxSL1iR2YMc
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Alysa wins the SP. If she can hold it together in the long, this event will be hers. IMO, she has a much LP and if she hits her jumps, she won't be caught.
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Alysa skated a CLEAN Short Program in which she landed a stunning 3Lo, 2A, and what Ted described to be a "clean as a whistle" 3Lz+3T in the second half. Liu received 39.87 for her technical elements and 29.43 for her performance components. Improved speed, skating skills, and spins seem apparent alongside an innate musicality that truly enabled Liu to shine.
Jessica Lin fell on her 3Lo... seconds after landing it. She will try to fight for a Top 6 finish whilst Emilia Murdock currently sits in 13th place, held back by a fall on a planned 3F+2T and a step-out on a huge 2A. All three ladies, who are all new debuts on the Junior Grand Prix circuit, seemed to enjoy the event. Best of luck to Alysa, Jessica, and Emilia in the Free.
Alysa Liu was recently interviewed and when asked about pressure, this was her response: "I don't mind having pressure, I kind of like it."
Source: https://twitter.com/LynnRutherford/status/1167563612799606784?s=20
Alysa's Short - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb5tIaZAzg0&feature=youtu.be (Make sure to give it a thumbs up).
Jessica Lin fell on her 3Lo... seconds after landing it. She will try to fight for a Top 6 finish whilst Emilia Murdock currently sits in 13th place, held back by a fall on a planned 3F+2T and a step-out on a huge 2A. All three ladies, who are all new debuts on the Junior Grand Prix circuit, seemed to enjoy the event. Best of luck to Alysa, Jessica, and Emilia in the Free.
Alysa Liu was recently interviewed and when asked about pressure, this was her response: "I don't mind having pressure, I kind of like it."
Source: https://twitter.com/LynnRutherford/status/1167563612799606784?s=20
Alysa's Short - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb5tIaZAzg0&feature=youtu.be (Make sure to give it a thumbs up).
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Congratulations to Alysa for showing continued mental fortitude today and winning the short program. There were clearly high expectations for her going in, on home ice no less, and she met them. Given this has been (and is) a weakness for the top U.S. ladies, this could really set her apart going forward.
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well, alysa jumps are easy looking because she pre rotates heavily and her score seems a bit overscored. Her skating looks slower than the koreans, so I don't understand how her componets are higher. Its probabaly because it is located in the United states. The US federation seems desperate to get a jgp meal for the ladies. When you realize, Ting cui earned 70+ at her jgp in the short program last season. Just compare alysa and ting programs.
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Alysa pre-rotates... like almost 90% of all female skaters. The only egregious pre-rotation she has is on the "4Lz" which is more like an over-rotated 3Lz. If you look at the replay of her jumps and compare it to the Korean, Japanese, and Russians, she only has a slightly higher degree of pre-rotation.
Let's look at Alysa'a jumps in the Short today:
- 2A, it is impossible to not pre-rotate on the Axel (Up to 180 degrees is natural)
- 3Lo, it is impossible to do a Loop or Salchow without pre-rotating, it's proven physics (Up to 180 degrees is natural)
- 3Lz+3T, less than 180 degrees which is in line with many female skaters (Yuna, Rika, and Elizaveta and a few others are the only ones with almost no pre-rotation)
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Has champs camp wrapped up yet? Have any “spies” who were there been able to tell us Mariah’s lp or Bradie’s sp?
It’s harder to find someone that doesn’t Prerotate than someone that doesn’t. It’s why we go crazy over someone with excellent technique.
If Alysa pre-rotates, who cares? Don’t all skaters pre-rotate to some degree? There is no penalty for pre-rotation, so the ISU must think so, too. And I’m just wondering what the USFSA does to manipulate scores. Aren’t most of the judges from other countries? Why would they deliberately give a boost to an American skater? Which skater was better than Alysa at this event?
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I have never understood the mechanics of how it is possible to pre-rotate a Lutz jump. If you are on the correct edge, you are curving away from the eventual direction of the rotation in the air. It seems like the longer your blade is on the ice, the more (not less) rotation you have to do in the air.
A flip, on the other hand -- throw in a couple of three-turns and you are already rotating before you leave the ice. And yet pre-rotation on flips does not seem to be a big problem. (Compared to a loop, say). I just don't understand this sport at all.
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Carolina Kostner is a great example of jumping with great speed. She was very erratic in her early career as she struggled to harness her power. She took some epic falls and had some horrific skates that rivaled the some of the falls Pogorillaya suffered. With speed everything timing wise happens much quicker. Better maybe to learn the timing well first and then gradually execute faster once the technique and timing are nor infrained and automatic.
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Most skater who skate fast are not very consistent. With higher speed the harder the fall the more likely of getting injured. The higher the jump, the harder it is to control. That’s why Frank changed Gracie huge lutz. With Alysa, she is so consistent we rarely see her fall that’s why she is going to a big star if she maintains this consistency. Give this girl a break, who in the world has Alysa technical difficulty now. 3 triple axels and a quad lutz. Not even Rika. Michelle Kwan was also slow but look at how many titles she got. That’s why Michelle was also very consistent because her skating is so slow.
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I have never understood the mechanics of how it is possible to pre-rotate a Lutz jump. If you are on the correct edge, you are curving away from the eventual direction of the rotation in the air. It seems like the longer your blade is on the ice, the more (not less) rotation you have to do in the air.
A flip, on the other hand -- throw in a couple of three-turns and you are already rotating before you leave the ice. And yet pre-rotatoon on flips does not seem to be a big problem. (Compared to a loop, say). I just don't understand this sport at all.
I agree with this. It doesn't seem possible to pre-rotate and still keep an outside edge like Alysa does.
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Alysas quad goes up and down in the same location on the ice. That is huge risk for injury. Michelle didnt do triple axels or quads, or even many 3+3s, so there really isnt much comparison. You have to have speed going into jumps to avoid muscling it and getting injured. Think about how much stress her hips and knees are under on the lutz takeoff without the aid of speed.
Sasha T, Aliona K, and Anna S would like to differ
