2021–22 Canadian Figure Skating
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Paul gave an interview recently where he said they planned to do show skating for a while.
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Roman’s PCS score compared to boring Morris and Daniel Grassl 
I’m glad Roman had a redemption skate. He is guaranteed his two Grand Prix spots and allows another Canadian Man the experience of making it to Worlds next year. Congrats.
Only disappointment for me was Maddie just missing out. Her and Ruiter are both Worlds worthy.
I’m glad Roman had a redemption skate. He is guaranteed his two Grand Prix spots and allows another Canadian Man the experience of making it to Worlds next year. Congrats.
Only disappointment for me was Maddie just missing out. Her and Ruiter are both Worlds worthy.
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except Mariah bell you know... who didn't even try a triple triple in the LP
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this is where I disagree immensely.
Spots are important in ice dance, even more so than in any other disciplines in Canada. We have a lot of teams who can make the Free dance and the 3rd ranked Canadian team next year probably would do so. Lauriault and Le Gac are going to be readier, Shane and Caro... Fabbri Ayer, S./W etc... and the juniors... so while Canada lost a spot with a very euro-centric tech panel and cray cray British judge downplaying everything our teams did, our younger teams will lose a very important opportunity to gain momentum and experience in preparation for Montreal worlds. The only good news here is that it's the same to retain or regain 3 spots... 13 points ... so that's the break Canada gets here.... but really it does mean that a very good team will stay at home next year and it better not be my parrots
Mariah Bell is a PCS skater. She can still do well even without a 3/3 in her FS, as long as she skates cleanly. Her 4th place at Worlds is a testament to that.
But when it comes to a second lady for Canada, Kaya Ruiter may seem to be the most promising, but she's been away from competition now for almost a year. During that time, she may have gone through another growth spurt, so there's no way of knowing if she's still capable of performing at the same level she was in her junior career.
Gabby has been working on regaining her skating skills, and 3 years have passed, with no vast improvement evident. That ship may well have sailed.
See how the juniors do at JW, then you'll have an idea of where Canadian women stand for the future.
But when it comes to a second lady for Canada, Kaya Ruiter may seem to be the most promising, but she's been away from competition now for almost a year. During that time, she may have gone through another growth spurt, so there's no way of knowing if she's still capable of performing at the same level she was in her junior career.
Gabby has been working on regaining her skating skills, and 3 years have passed, with no vast improvement evident. That ship may well have sailed.
See how the juniors do at JW, then you'll have an idea of where Canadian women stand for the future.
How so? J/R were 5.04 points behind Miura / Kihara after the SP, and they gained only 2.81 TES points on them after the FS. J/R also lost PCS points to M/K, who have frequently outscored both Knierim / Frazier and Cain/Leduc in PCS this season.
If Ashley Cain hadn't suffered a concussion during the aborted FS, J/R wouldn't even have a medal.
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I wouldn't call Mariah a PCS skater when looking at Kaori or Loena just to name two. Jason Brown = PCS skater. Way above the pack. Mariah is a good all around skater with good charisma.
Regarding J/R the argument is that they were held down in PCS in the LP and the Japanese were held up in both programs. In the end, they should have been above the Japanese. Of course, I hope that Ashley recovers quickly. That was horrible to watch.
Regarding J/R the argument is that they were held down in PCS in the LP and the Japanese were held up in both programs. In the end, they should have been above the Japanese. Of course, I hope that Ashley recovers quickly. That was horrible to watch.
Phew, the Canadian men held on to 2 spots, and Roman is the top Canadian man at Worlds with the 9th-best free skate, 12th over-all. Not bad for his World Championships debut!
CBC.ca video link for his performance: https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2016718403602
Radio-Canada Sports YouTube channel:
I was so thrilled to see this. What a redemption skate for Roman. I haven't been able to watch the competition yet, but I'm looking forward to it. Funnily enough, I had the same reaction to seeing that Camden of all the American men scored the highest in the FS. And I fully expected Kagiyama to outscore Shoma, too. You just never know.
I was also thrilled to see that Lajoie/Lagha were actually 10th in the FD here. I really hope that their team comes up with better material for them in the RD next season. I always thought their RD material was almost like sabotage this season (not that they skated it badly, and didn't deserve better marks here and at other competitions this season, but it wasn't memorable). They need something that stands out immediately like their Rio FD does. Standout material makes such a difference in ice dance.
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It hasn't been anything near "almost a year".
In any case, she's been shown on her coach's Instagram jumping fine.
The problem with L/L is that they have very little connection with one another while they are skating. Sure they are fast and have complicated choreo, but he mugs outrageously. It's not good when one partner spends more time playing to the audience rather than acknowledging his partner. You don't see that with Gilles / Poirier or with the top tier of skaters.
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I agree they are fast and have very intricate choreography. The rest, is a matter of taste. I love the way they complete one another. Zach is super passionate and engaged. Marjo is fun and dynamic. Great melange ! Considering how young they are, I can see them gaining the most ground with the retirements we will see at the start of the new quad.
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Judges were incredibly generous with MK, they had a disaster skate and they know it. JR were held down by some judges, one judge gave them 10 points below the average score of the other judges and gave them mostly 0 and 1s on GoEs even for their elements that were done really well, even better than MK. If other teams skated like MK did, the judges would have tanked their scores. Even though Ashley had an unfortunate injury, they were skating pretty poorly up to that point, there's no guarantee that they would have placed above JR. Even if they did place higher, JR should still get the bronze because MK shouldn't have been above them.
The Japanese skaters have been together for years and have gelled as a couple. J/R have been teamed for a few months, and at times it really shows. It should be expected that M/K should have higher PCS scores. M/K were outscoring K/F on PCS all season, for the same reason (K/F being a new partnership). But by Worlds, K/F had truly become two skating as one, and they achieved their PB 144.21 in the FS, with 9s in their PCS.
They might move up with retirements, but they still have to pass unretired couples who are now above them, and they have to stay ahead of newer teams who are coming up below them and could potentially pass them.
Since they turned senior in the 2019-2000 season, their scores haven't gone up much. They seem to have stagnated over the past two seasons. You can't really blame that on CoVid, because the same thing didn't happen to other teams who have improved over the same time. Their Worlds 2022 total of 178.84 is the lowest since the 2019 GP series. And both their RD and FD scores at this Worlds were lower than at Worlds 2021.
They each have strong dance skills, but they come across as two soloists who emote separately, but never seem to acknowledge that they are a pair.
Compare that dynamic with that of Papadakis / Cizeron, Hubbell / Donohue, Chock / Bates, Gilles / Poirier and Guignard / Fabbri. Those teams have the interactions which are what the judges prefer.
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LaLa are in their early 20s.... comparing them with teams on the verge of retirement just shows desperation in trying to put them down. Comparing scores in an event when there were no Canadian judge and ALL 3 Canadian teams received very low score is also not very convincing. If anything, their scores will go up if teams retire. This is so common in ice dance. Let's hope Hawayek Baker's scores go up too with H/D's imminent retirement, as young teams are growing fast behind them.
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Putting on my conspiracy tin foil hat here:
The judges wanted M/K to medal, and I get it - they are a lovely pair. So they HAD to place them above J/R. Remember that Ash/Tim hadn't been forced to withdraw at this point, and at the moment of scoring M/K, the most likely outcome had two American teams in the top placements.
This isn't a "homer" opinion. As I've written on other threads, I'm generally a fan of M/K and not of J/R... but the outcome is just undeniably wrong in this case... my opinion only, of course.
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