2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[mrrice]

Oh I just looked up the points...so a 3A is worth 8 while 2A-3T is 7.5....i didn't realize it was so close! So if you can't do a 3A, is this the best alternative?

In my opinion, yes. Mainly, because several skaters, including Alysa, do not get a high grade of execution on some, if not most, of their 3A's. I think Amber Glenn would be better off keeping her 2A-3T because her jumps are so big and she gets a high GOE on them. Much more than a downgraded 3A.

 

[skatingiscool]

I will be over the moon if Alysa wins a medal of any color at the NHK event. It's stacked with talent and it will be interesting to see how she places. Especially, if she skates two clean programs.

Or better yet, BOTH Alysa and Amber win medals. Go USA!

 

[b-man]

Ice shows haven’t been much of a thing in years unless one skates in Japan. The days one could make a really good living at it seem to be long gone. I expect it correlates with the decline of skating’s popularity in the US. Gracie is skating at Scott Hamilton’s ice show next month I believe but that’s for charity.

This is an Olympic year, and Stars on Ice normally has a big tour. I believe I attended their shows in 2010, 2014 and 2018. My personal fave Mirai skated in all three. This year she is in the Canadian version of SOI, along with Alissa Czisny, Osmond and others, with the shows being pushed to the spring due to Covid. Their are 12 dates so far on the Canadian tour. The website for the American tour lists but 5 dates and no confirmed skaters? Scott Hamilton used to be involved with promotion, maybe he is busy with the Nationals in Nashville leaving the SOI tour in the US on the back burner?

 

[ayb2]

This is an Olympic year, and Stars on Ice normally has a big tour. I believe I attended their shows in 2010, 2014 and 2018. My personal fave Mirai skated in all three. This year she is in the Canadian version of SOI, along with Alissa Czisny, Osmond and others, with the shows being pushed to the spring due to Covid. Their are 12 dates so far on the Canadian tour. The website for the American tour lists but 5 dates and no confirmed skaters? Scott Hamilton used to be involved with promotion, maybe he is busy with the Nationals in Nashville leaving the SOI tour in the US on the back burner?

STARS ON ICE DELIVERS OLYMPIC, WORLD AND NATIONAL CHAMPIONS THIS HOLIDAY SEASON

2021 Stars on Ice Holiday Tour

www.starsonice.com

List of skaters here: Ashley Wagner, Mirai, Ryan Bradley etc.

 

[b-man]

STARS ON ICE DELIVERS OLYMPIC, WORLD AND NATIONAL CHAMPIONS THIS HOLIDAY SEASON

2021 Stars on Ice Holiday Tour

www.starsonice.com

List of skaters here: Ashley Wagner, Mirai, Ryan Bradley etc.

Thanks, a different site than I originally found. The same 5 venues are listed, but many more confirmed skaters. Thanks again.

 

[mrrice]

STARS ON ICE DELIVERS OLYMPIC, WORLD AND NATIONAL CHAMPIONS THIS HOLIDAY SEASON

2021 Stars on Ice Holiday Tour

www.starsonice.com

List of skaters here: Ashley Wagner, Mirai, Ryan Bradley etc.

If Gracie misses Nationals and wants to continue to skate. I think Stars On Ice should be a goal for her. Things will likely change after the Olympics but, Gracie is still well known here in the states. She sells tickets and that's a big deal. I know that if they come to the west coast, I will be there.

 

[Jammers]

Seeing as how the triple axel isn't working for Alysa right now i hope at Nationals she simply tries to go clean. A clean Lui will no doubt make the podium and probably win so why try the 3axel that might cost you a spot on the Olympic team. Just work on the jumps you can land and work on rotating them.

 

[bubblecherry]

amber and alysa both had less than stellar skates here... amber should ditch the 3A, because there’s no time left to stabilize it. she’s made HUGE progress in stabilizing her triples and that should be enough for the Olympic team if she skates solidly for the rest of the season. she also needs to work on nailing all her levels...

Alysa’s 3A seems so close yet so far... she can definitely do the jump, and she has experience with it, but it’s not stable in competition, either. maybe keep one in the long program?

 

[alyssamarie]

This is an Olympic year, and Stars on Ice normally has a big tour. I believe I attended their shows in 2010, 2014 and 2018. My personal fave Mirai skated in all three. This year she is in the Canadian version of SOI, along with Alissa Czisny, Osmond and others, with the shows being pushed to the spring due to Covid. Their are 12 dates so far on the Canadian tour. The website for the American tour lists but 5 dates and no confirmed skaters? Scott Hamilton used to be involved with promotion, maybe he is busy with the Nationals in Nashville leaving the SOI tour in the US on the back burner?

there are 5 shows for soi USA. Here is the site https://www.starsonice.com/articles...ld-and-national-champions-this-holiday-season . I know Ashley is confirmed since she has had a substitute listed for her skate and sculpt class for a month now. The schedule has been out since October. I wish they had more locations since I went in 2018 and loved it, but it's not worth flying for.

I think Amber should play it safe and not do the 3a. Maybe once she makes the team she can try to perfect it, but I think her main goal should be getting that third spot. I think Alysa needs a 3a if her goal is a podium at any non US comps

 

[Lzbee]

I don't agree that Alysa and Amber should stop trying the 3A.

Alysa's is very close so the more practice the more likely it'll hit for her. She's not competing to beat the Russians she's competing against her compatriots and even with falls on it, she's still outscoring the other US women.

Amber could maybe switch to only trying it in the FP though because she doesn't have as much reputation to hold up her SP. Her main issue is popping jumps rather than falling.

 

[readernick]

Agree @Lzbee Actually, I don't think Alysa should stop trying. She is unaffected by the falls/ mistakes and doing a 2A wouldn't have saved her score here. It was lower because the 3-3 was also under ...

I do think Amber should have only put her 3A in the LP. Her timing is off when she is nervous and she always seems nervous in the SP. She needs to get all her levels and she skates so much better in her SP without being nervous about the 3A. Plus, her 2a is a good jump and she would get good GOE on it....

 

[elliana]

If you miss the 3A, does that somehow result in UR-ing your combo as a default because you used up too much energy or got shaken up? Just wondering how it happened to both Alysa and Amber.

 

[Seven Sisters]

amber and alysa both had less than stellar skates here... amber should ditch the 3A, because there’s no time left to stabilize it. she’s made HUGE progress in stabilizing her triples and that should be enough for the Olympic team if she skates solidly for the rest of the season. she also needs to work on nailing all her levels...

Alysa’s 3A seems so close yet so far... she can definitely do the jump, and she has experience with it, but it’s not stable in competition, either. maybe keep one in the long program?

I’ve seen a number of people suggest that Amber back off on the 3A and concentrate on perfecting the rest of her tech and/on making the Olympic team, so I’m not singling you out here I promise

But I kind of love it that Amber is so focused on her 3A quest, because that is so who she is. She is full of personality, and full of emotion she is not shy about expressing. I strongly suspect that she would rather try it and bomb than be boring but make the team. Maybe she’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but you have to appreciate that about her— it’s what makes her a fully realized person, and what sets her apart.

 

[mrrice]

amber and alysa both had less than stellar skates here... amber should ditch the 3A, because there’s no time left to stabilize it. she’s made HUGE progress in stabilizing her triples and that should be enough for the Olympic team if she skates solidly for the rest of the season. she also needs to work on nailing all her levels...

Alysa’s 3A seems so close yet so far... she can definitely do the jump, and she has experience with it, but it’s not stable in competition, either. maybe keep one in the long program?

It's funny that we were just talking about this a few posts ago. I know it's an Olympic Year but, especially for Amber, her goal should be to skate well if she wants to make the team. IMO a 3A is just too big a risk at this time. Haven't seen the skates yet but, hopefully Alysa can pull up and snag the Bronze with a strong Free Program.

 

[Amei]

If you miss the 3A, does that somehow result in UR-ing your combo as a default because you used up too much energy or got shaken up? Just wondering how it happened to both Alysa and Amber.

Well Alysa has generally been able to shake off falls and not let it affect the program otherwise, but both aren't exactly strangers to under-rotating their jumps.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Well Alysa has generally been able to shake off falls and not let it affect the program otherwise, but both aren't exactly strangers to under-rotating their jumps.

Yeah, I'm starting to think Alysa might want to work more on getting the other triples around rather than the 3A and 4Lz. I don't think there's any chance of her missing the Olympic team, but if she's getting several q and < in her programs, she's going to be beatable at Nationals.

 

[Amei]

Yeah, I'm starting to think Alysa might want to work more on getting the other triples around rather than the 3A and 4Lz. I don't think there's any chance of her missing the Olympic team, but if she's getting several q and < in her programs, she's going to be beatable at Nationals.

Well the good thing for her is the q's and underrotations are a theme for the US ladies

 

[dancelion21]

Yeah, I'm starting to think Alysa might want to work more on getting the other triples around rather than the 3A and 4Lz. I don't think there's any chance of her missing the Olympic team, but if she's getting several q and < in her programs, she's going to be beatable at Nationals.

Alysa's the top US lady not because of her clean jumps but because of her competition nerves. Alysa never lets falls affect her performance, it's super impressive. The other US ladies are incredibly inconsistent, very prone to pops and downgrades, and one mistake in the program, especially early on, can derail the whole performance.

Alysa pretty much never pops either. Discounting her performance at that strange Vegas team competition last season when she was clearly adjusting to pubery, she has popped exactly three jumps in her career. A 3Lo to a 2Lo on the JGP, a 3F to a 2F at US Nationals last year, and a 3A to a 1A at Nebelhorn earlier this season. She doesn't fall on her easier triples, and pretty much never underrotates her solo jumps either. She gets qs and <s on her combos in the second half, but the other US ladies aren't exactly known for fully rotating.

The situation where Alysa loses to another US lady would be if something like Mariah's 2020 US Nationals performance happened. Alysa still has a BV advantage on the other US ladies, but it's much smaller than it was when she was a junior, so if another US lady skates lights out, they can absolutely beat her. However, on an average day, Alysa is beating the other US ladies handily.

 

[moonvine]

This is an Olympic year, and Stars on Ice normally has a big tour. I believe I attended their shows in 2010, 2014 and 2018. My personal fave Mirai skated in all three. This year she is in the Canadian version of SOI, along with Alissa Czisny, Osmond and others, with the shows being pushed to the spring due to Covid. Their are 12 dates so far on the Canadian tour. The website for the American tour lists but 5 dates and no confirmed skaters? Scott Hamilton used to be involved with promotion, maybe he is busy with the Nationals in Nashville leaving the SOI tour in the US on the back burner?

We may be different ages. When I say "used to be a big thing" I'm talking about when the tours were selling out all over the country and a skater could make a good living just off ice shows and it was a reason to turn pro and then you couldn't skate as an amateur. So remaining Olympic eligible was a huge sacrifice because you were leaving significant amounts of money on the table. When Tai and Randy were headlining in Vegas. Not when a skater might be able to pick up some extra money touring a little in a post Olympic tour.

 

[moonvine]

Alysa's the top US lady not because of her clean jumps but because of her competition nerves. Alysa never lets falls affect her performance, it's super impressive. The other US ladies are incredibly inconsistent, very prone to pops and downgrades, and one mistake in the program, especially early on, can derail the whole performance.

Alysa pretty much never pops either. Discounting her performance at that strange Vegas team competition last season when she was clearly adjusting to pubery, she has popped exactly three jumps in her career. A 3Lo to a 2Lo on the JGP, a 3F to a 2F at US Nationals last year, and a 3A to a 1A at Nebelhorn earlier this season. She doesn't fall on her easier triples, and pretty much never underrotates her solo jumps either. She gets qs and <s on her combos in the second half, but the other US ladies aren't exactly known for fully rotating.

The situation where Alysa loses to another US lady would be if something like Mariah's 2020 US Nationals performance happened. Alysa still has a BV advantage on the other US ladies, but it's much smaller than it was when she was a junior, so if another US lady skates lights out, they can absolutely beat her. However, on an average day, Alysa is beating the other US ladies handily.

Bradie has been very consistent over the past quad with the exception of this year's Worlds which apparently was a boot problem. But she is obviously quite injured so who knows.