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I haven't seen a post about the Cranberry Skating Event. There are some really great skaters attending this event. Will there be a stream available?

Mr. Rice, there is a thread on Goldenskate about the Cranberry Cup:


Folks can post there about the hopes, anticipation and results for any discipline. We have some Goldenskaters in attendance who will also hopefully share their thoughts. :)
 
Honestly, most of people aren't saying anything disrespectful. They are being cautiously optimistic and being reasonable in their expectations. People acknowledge that Alysa has made noticeable improvements in her PCS. However, declaring Alysa to be national champion and saying she will land on the Olympic podium is not reasonable at this stage. It is normal to speculate, but no one knows what will happen this season. Her performance wasn't bad for a summer competition. Neither was it commanding. It could be a good but slow start to a great season or the issues she had here could be replicated throughout the year. No one knows. Alysa has potential. Great results aren't guaranteed. The same thing could be said for all the American ladies, Russian ladies, and Japanese ladies. Time will tell .. We all need to learn to be less sensitive about our favorite skaters, not everyone is going to love the same skaters we do ..

Well said. 👏

As others have noted, Cranberry Cup will be the first competition of the season for Amber and Mariah.
I hope that everyone skates well :pray: -- but no matter what high points and not-so-high points are seen from Amber and Mariah on Saturday and Sunday, I will be keeping my mind just as open regarding their potential improvement 📈 in the months ahead as it is regarding Alysa's potential improvement 📈.



It's especially difficult without any video footage of the competition ...

(y) Yes. Without video, I think it is impossible to really assess what the Silicon Valley PCS "should" have been.

But she didn’t perform the exact same program at Peggy Fleming. The number / type of elements and length of the program are different. In addition scoring may be somewhat different to IJS. And of course, she may have skated better at PFT.

(y) Another difference of Peggy Fleming Trophy is that skaters were allowed to record their PFT programs as many times as they wanted.
 
Cranberry Cup will be a huge test for Gracie. After putting out a decent SP, she faltered in the LP at her last event. For me, this is a now or never event for her. She doesn't need to win but, she needs have a good showing to prove to herself that she belongs with the Elite Ladies. It would be huge for her self esteem.
 
I agree. At this point, we have to put our eggs in Alysa's Basket. She is the only US Lady with the technical firepower to compete with the Russian and Japanese ladies if they all skate clean programs.
I respectfully disagree. I think it's almost never a good idea to put all one's eggs in one basket, especially in this context. Obviously there is no way the US cud magically get on Russia's level in terms of depth by March. But considering the strength of the Russian team, Alysa is still an outside shot at a medal. If she messes up at the Olympics, and all the other US girls have been ignored all season...we dont want to be 9 to11 again. The US should be pushing all the top five girls to be at the top of their games. Clean programs, not the highest technical content, got Karen, Loena, and Kaori the 4-6 spots at Worlds. I'm not ready to give up on the idea that the US could send 3 strong skaters who all look ready to skate clean programs and be in the top 6, including Alysa as a possible medal contender.
 
I respectfully disagree. I think it's almost never a good idea to put all one's eggs in one basket, especially in this context. Obviously there is no way the US cud magically get on Russia's level in terms of depth by March. But considering the strength of the Russian team, Alysa is still an outside shot at a medal. If she messes up at the Olympics, and all the other US girls have been ignored all season...we dont want to be 9 to11 again. The US should be pushing all the top five girls to be at the top of their games. Clean programs, not the highest technical content, got Karen, Loena, and Kaori the 4-6 spots at Worlds. I'm not ready to give up on the idea that the US could send 3 strong skaters who all look ready to skate clean programs and be in the top 6, including Alysa as a possible medal contender.
Well, we have 3 spots which is a huge benefit for the Bronze Medalist. IMO, A clean Alysa is our best "hope" for an Olympic podium finish based of her technical abilities. A very clean Karen Chen managed to place 4th at Worlds and she was our best finish. Bradie Tennel is usually so consistent but, she really made me nervous at Worlds after being spectacular at Nationals. I still don't know enough about any Juniors who will be moving up to the Senior level this season.
 
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Well, we have 3 spots which a huge benefit for the Bronze Medalist. IMO, A clean Alysa is our best hope for a podium finish based of her technical abilities. A very clean Karen Chen managed to place 4th at Worlds and she was our best finish. Bradie Tennel is usually so consistent but, she really made me nervous at Worlds after being spectacular at Nationals. I still don't know enough about any Juniors who will be moving up to the Senior level this season.

Bradie is consistent but her Worlds 2021 finish is pretty on par with her usual placement at the big-time events. Even at 4ccs which is missing the Europeans she's only managed and 5th and a third place.
Prior Worlds/Olympics results:
Olympics 2018; 9th in the individual; 5th for her portion of the team event (team placement Bronze)
Worlds 2018: 6th
Worlds 2019: 7th
 
Bradie is consistent but her Worlds 2021 finish is pretty on par with her usual placement at the big-time events. Even at 4ccs which is missing the Europeans she's only managed and 5th and a third place.
Prior Worlds/Olympics results:
Olympics 2018; 9th in the individual; 5th for her portion of the team event (team placement Bronze)
Worlds 2018: 6th
Worlds 2019: 7th
Well, she hadn't lost to Karen in quite a while before her disaster at worlds. I still think a clean Bradie is better choice than Mariah or Amber even though I love them both. Bradie won Both Phases at Nationals and if she skates her best she is a clear podium finisher at Nationals.
 
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Give Bradie a break here. She's been injured, switched coaches not even a year ago and the latter alone takes time to adjust to.

Well I wasn't criticizing her just pointing out that her results at Worlds 2021 was pretty much the norm for her
 
Well I wasn't criticizing her just pointing out that her results at Worlds 2021 was pretty much the norm for her
It was a general support post regarding Bradie. :shrug:
 
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Well I wasn't criticizing her just pointing out that her results at Worlds 2021 was pretty much the norm for her
For me, it was more about the performances. She was clearly not her best at Worlds and it was rare to see her skate that way.
 
Bradie is/was good enough now that her finish at Worlds can be safely counted as an outlier. Remember, her right boot broke on the first or second practice session after arriving. Had that not happened, she absolutely would have been higher than 9th. Bradie isn't even one of my favorite skaters, but I do feel the need to defend her placement there. Obviously all bets are off if she's dealing with an injury (I keep hearing that rumor pop up).
 
I was as disappointed as anyone with Bradie's World performance but it was so unusual to see her skate that way and most ppl were pretty sure she'd b in the top 6 going in, so I'm prepared to blame her skates for that one. The injury rumors are more concerning, cuz she's rlly been consistently our top senior lady and I'd hate for her to have a bad Olympic year.
 
Bradie was skating in disintegrating boots at Worlds 2021. The boot on her right foot was so bad that it had to be completely taped to hold it together. Is it any wonder that she was hesitant going into some of her jumps?

She skated much better at WTT after Worlds, finishing 11 points higher than Karen Chen.
 
:drama: Holy Cow, what a lineup of skaters!!!! This is an event I would love to be at live. Unfortunately, it's as far away from me as it could be. Great to see some top ladies competing against each other nice and early in the season.
It is far and I am feeling every mile.
 
Cranberry Cup will be a huge test for Gracie. After putting out a decent SP, she faltered in the LP at her last event. For me, this is a now or never event for her. She doesn't need to win but, she needs have a good showing to prove to herself that she belongs with the Elite Ladies. It would be huge for her self esteem.
I hope she skates well for herself. I hope she doesn’t feel pressured in any way.
 
Let's not forget that in the same way in which people are sensitive to objectively criticize their favorite skater, there are also people getting too sensitive about reading random podium placing comments that do not include their favorite skaters. For all we know, those podium places can be in everyone's hearts and only exist in a far unicorn Utopia where dogs have learned to skate and that's fine. Celebrating a skater that up until recently has received a good amount of hate from trolls from her own country is good. Having constructing criticism is also good. And if people choose to worry over small things so early, well, you do you and that's fine. It's a forum and that's the point.

I'm all about talking about positive and negative things, but as we get into the Olympic season, people will bring a new wave of anxiety and toxicity that will push rather harshly some skaters for the sake elevating others. And I think that's what sort of happened with Alysa when people were noticing she was aiming to jump things other US ladies could not do at that time. A portion of the conservative US skating audience wanted to put her down through snarky comments saying 'she is not artistic enough!' or 'what health consequences will she have with this type of physical load?' or isn't this too risky for a girl?' or 'her technique will not survive and thus her jumper identity will be gone and she will be out of the game' and all of this snowballed into online hate thrown at a child.

My point being, let's criticize everyone in many ways but hopefully not with the intention of proving that she will be 'out of the game' soon. And if people want to say that there will be a full Russian podium, or that Trusova will finally win it all, or that Kamila will be outed by Anna for gold, or that, magically somehow, we will have the same 2020 Junior World's podium on these Olympics (which includes Alysa), then that's fine. I find Eteri to be an interesting character with some interesting quotes, and I think she once mentioned that "the Olympics has a way of bringing the best from the naive ones". And I like to think that, yes, we can see everyone's progress and make projections for this season, but with the pandemic and universal mental anxiety that this situation has brought to all of us, it is fair to say that in the end the podium will be claimed, really, by anyone who brings their A-game on that specific moment.

Anyway, back to Cranberry this Saturday! 🍿
I just think it’s foolish to pre award medals (look how it turned out for Nathan last time and he’s one of the coolest customers I’ve ever seen) or even spots on the Olympic team. We don’t even know for sure how many spots there will be (hopefully 3). And anything can happen. God forbid a season or career ending injury. Someone really upping their difficulty. Who knows.

I love the Olympics but I’m starting to think way too much importance is placed on them. An athlete can have a great career and never win an OGM.
 
I just think it’s foolish to pre award medals (look how it turned out for Nathan last time and he’s one of the coolest customers I’ve ever seen) or even spots on the Olympic team. We don’t even know for sure how many spots there will be (hopefully 3). And anything can happen. God forbid a season or career ending injury. Someone really upping their difficulty. Who knows.

I love the Olympics but I’m starting to think way too much importance is placed on them. An athlete can have a great career and never win an OGM.
Michelle Kwan and Irina Slutskaya come to mind here. Multiple World Championship wins and Silver and Bronze for both in the Olympics.
 
I love the Olympics but I’m starting to think way too much importance is placed on them. An athlete can have a great career and never win an OGM.

The importance of the Olympics really varies on the type of fan that you are talking to and who they are an uber fan of, example a super fan of Michelle Kwan is generally going to be the person committed to the importance of excellence prolonged over a career being the most important factor vs. winning this 1 competition that gets paraded out as the crown jewel to have.
 
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