2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating
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Of high relevance to our Olympic team tea leaf reading, USFS changed their Olympic team selection criteria this year.
Per Phil Hersh, they are "more empirical" than previous years' criteria, and "put more emphasis on medal possibilities." Seems like they are deemphasizing body of work.
USFS will pay attention to scores from 2021 Worlds, 2021-22 GPs, 2021-22 Challenger Series, and JGP; USFS also told Hersh that it will consider scores from Senior Bs like Cranberry.
Based on these criteria, Alysa is even more of a lock than we thought, Bradie's spot is more tenuous than it would've been under old criteria, and Lindsay's chances are looking better and better.
Edit: here are the selection procedures
Per Phil Hersh, they are "more empirical" than previous years' criteria, and "put more emphasis on medal possibilities." Seems like they are deemphasizing body of work.
USFS will pay attention to scores from 2021 Worlds, 2021-22 GPs, 2021-22 Challenger Series, and JGP; USFS also told Hersh that it will consider scores from Senior Bs like Cranberry.
Based on these criteria, Alysa is even more of a lock than we thought, Bradie's spot is more tenuous than it would've been under old criteria, and Lindsay's chances are looking better and better.
Edit: here are the selection procedures
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Right? ... I was so confused about how this is supposed to be deemphasising "body of work". I guess Bradie is in somewhat more trouble because 2021 Nationals isn't on the list, and... that's really it. I guess the "tiered" criteria are removed?
It's no longer on the USFS website as an international assignment. Actually, all the Americans have withdrawn...
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Oh, you're right, it's there. So... how is this not giving us "body of work" again?
Well with the exception of worlds 2021, it seems they are going to focus on the results produced this year, not on what was done in previous years.
Because the only competition that counts from the 20-21 season is 2021 Worlds.
Additional detail from Hersh: The “body of work” criteria will cover results in the 12 months before the Olympics, which means this season and 2021 worlds. Consistency of scores will be more important than one spectacular result. Scores at 2021 worlds, 2021 Grand Prix Final and 2022 US Champs to weigh most
And nationals.
It's still body of work, or maybe I forgot what precisely was used previously. This seems very similar, except without those "tiers". But, either way, it's fine by me, lol.
And Nationals. Actually, the document has a lot of crossed out events from last season, only due to COVID.
Lol. So it literally even still contains the A-tier. Ah well, don't think I've ever understood Hershy's ravings.
Oh you're right, interesting.
I wonder if Phil Hersh's tweets are just based on his own (mis)reading of the new criteria then, or if his take (and this sentence in particular: "the “body of work” criteria will cover results in the 12 months before the Olympics, which means this season and 2021 worlds") is based on something someone at USFSA said to him.
Deemphasizing body of work makes sense after several seasons impacted by covid although looking at scores throughout the season is related to how I thought of "body of work."
As others have said, unless the veterns pull themselves together quickly this Olympic team will be mostly new faces. (Bradie has frequently struggled with injuries and recovered, but I'm really wondering if she can make it through the Olympic season.)
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Sorry, Phil, I'm with everyone else: I don't understand the conclusion.
They look at all the performances from the year. They look at the performances in the most "important" competitions of the year.
For me, this sentence from Hersh's tweet is most telilng : Consistency of scores will be important than one spectacular result.
What is this, if not body of work?
They look at all the performances from the year. They look at the performances in the most "important" competitions of the year.
For me, this sentence from Hersh's tweet is most telilng : Consistency of scores will be important than one spectacular result.
What is this, if not body of work?
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The USFS document says on p. 18 (emphasis added):
" ... The data provided from the events listed in 1.2.1. will provide a body of work within a 12-month period prior to the 2022 Olympic Winter Games that will demonstrate the athlete’s/team’s consistency, trajectory of improvement, and ability to achieve competitive and/or medal potential scores at the 2022 Olympic Winter Games as described in 1.3.B. and 1.3.C. ..."
Hersh did not misread that part.
(And Hersh did not say that BOW is not being used. I don't understand where that mischaracterization of his tweeting is coming from?)
How is this different or "more empirical" than before? Just curious, because even if he didn't say "they're deemphasizing body of work" (that was the poster), I do fail to understand what the "empirical" and "different" system is, which he did say.
And yes, this part does imply there will be less emphasis on body of work, if he's saying it's more "empirically defensible" with focus on "medal possibilities" and that there are "almost no events to be considered under body of work".
That's my bad. I interpreted his saying that the process will be more empirical, that there will be more of an emphasis on medal possibilities, that the USFSA is adapting to there being less BOW from the 20-21 season, etc. as there being less of an emphasis on BOW. No more posting on GoldenSkate while I'm supposed to be focusing on a meeting for me...
Now I'm kind of just confused about what, if anything, has changed
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Hmm I wonder why?
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You omitted that Hersh specified the 2020-21 season -- which of course would cause a misunderstanding of what he meant.
Hersh said (emphasis added), "Part owes to having almost no events in 2020-21 to be used in the old “body of work” rubric, which covered two years of results."
(I do think that Hersh has misremembered the previous parameters of USFS BOW -- which I do not think covered two years of results.
IIRC, the USFS documents for selection procedures for 2014 OWG and 2018 OWG listed events only going as far back as the previous year's Nats.)
The USFS document for 2022 OWG is the first time that USFS is establishing Priority Groups and making comparisons to benchmark scores from the previous season's Worlds.
I think these new changes are what Hersh has in mind when saying "more empirical."
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