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Lutzedge said:
But with Karen's rotation problems, it might effect her a lot for her GP and International assignments. And if she doesn't land her jumps cleanly, she will be scored very low.
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Not really. She just scored 200+ at Lombardia with 3 URs, 2 Q’s, 1 edge call, a 3-2 in the SP, time violation, and a +rep plus missed combo in the LP.

Of course, she would be scoring much higher without such technical issues, but the quality of her skating, performance, spins, and the jumps she does well, is still highly rewarded.

Even lacking technical content, Karen still does enough to get scores competitive with the other US ladies as long as she’s standing up on the jumps.
 
beepboop said:
Yeah, the combination of the "or" for Group 3 and the "and" for Group 2 is what really convinced me that Alysa is as much of a lock for the team as anyone can be in October. Even if she absolutely bombs Nationals and finishes out of the top 5, she'll still be in Group 3, and the only other US woman I realistically see moving above Group 3 is a healthy Bradie (and that itself is a huge question mark).

If everyone or everyone but Bradie is in Groups 3 and 4, that gives USFS plenty of wiggle room to send the people they want to send to the Olympics, and I can't see them choosing Amber, Lindsay, or Audrey over Alysa.
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Haha yeah my analysis is the same as yours.

A healthy Bradie is the best bet for group 2 but I think a peak Mariah could do it too, her personal best is 212 which is pretty close. Amber could also do it if she manages to skate clean (big if though).

I don't think Karen could get that top 3 score though and top 5 is her personal best so she's actually lower priority than first appears. But if the big scorers don't score big, she's in.
 
I wish I’ve seen bradie skate this year since I don’t think she has due to boot issues and injury. alysa is the only lock on my team. I also feel like USFS will want to send Lindsay like they sent Polina. So this just leaves one spot between bradie/karen/gabbie/Amber/Mariah/everyone else
 
bubblecherry said:
Not really. She just scored 200+ at Lombardia with 3 URs, 2 Q’s, 1 edge call, a 3-2 in the SP, time violation, and a +rep plus missed combo in the LP.

Of course, she would be scoring much higher without such technical issues, but the quality of her skating, performance, spins, and the jumps she does well, is still highly rewarded.

Even lacking technical content, Karen still does enough to get scores competitive with the other US ladies as long as she’s standing up on the jumps.
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The Technical Controller was generous at Finlandia. And as I mentioned, if she doesn't land well, with her UR, she will score low. But I feel more confidant in Karen, and I do think she will score and do well.
 
bubblecherry said:
Not really. She just scored 200+ at Lombardia with 3 URs, 2 Q’s, 1 edge call, a 3-2 in the SP, time violation, and a +rep plus missed combo in the LP.

Of course, she would be scoring much higher without such technical issues, but the quality of her skating, performance, spins, and the jumps she does well, is still highly rewarded.

Even lacking technical content, Karen still does enough to get scores competitive with the other US ladies as long as she’s standing up on the jumps.
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Lombardia? I thought Karen skated at CS Finlandia Trophy.
 
Is there an actual audience in Henderson? I find it strange that we have no practice reports from the Senior skaters.
 
beepboop said:
Yeah, the combination of the "or" for Group 3 and the "and" for Group 2 is what really convinced me that Alysa is as much of a lock for the team as anyone can be in October. Even if she absolutely bombs Nationals and finishes out of the top 5, she'll still be in Group 3, and the only other US woman I realistically see moving above Group 3 is a healthy Bradie (and that itself is a huge question mark).

If everyone or everyone but Bradie is in Groups 3 and 4, that gives USFS plenty of wiggle room to send the people they want to send to the Olympics, and I can't see them choosing Amber, Lindsay, Mariah, or Audrey over Alysa.
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I'm 100% agree with you that they won't choose Amber, Lindsay, Mariah, or Audrey over Alysa. USFSA choose Alysa over Amber and Mariah for Nebelhorn after seeing their performances at Champs camp and Cranberry cup. I'm sure they will make the same choice for Olympics team.
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If it ends up group 3 have at least 5 ladies (Audrey, Bradie, Lindsay, Mariah, Amber), who will be in team? It is up to USFSA priorities. If USFSA wants to help those ladies for auditions in "Dancing with the stars" show like last time (Mirai, Adam), put Mariah and Amber in Olympics team. https://www.tvinsider.com/668895/mirai-nagasu-dancing-with-the-stars-winter-olympics-2018/

If USFSA is serious about competition and hopes for the medals, put Alysa and healthy Bradie in the team. Lindsay vs Karen....a very tough choice. It's all up to Lindsay's JGPF and nats performance. Can she land 3A? If Lindsay can land 3A, I think Lindsay has an edge over Karen because of the score potential. If Bradie is still injured at Nats, both Lindsay and Karen are likely to be selected on the team.

Mariah skated to old programs (hallelujah) at Champs Camp last month, the skater at champs camp reported that Mariah was hot mess there. Bradie was hot mess at champs camp as well. I hope Mariah can spend more time with Raf (not Adam) and fix those skating/jump issues.
 
Lzbee said:
Top 3Top 5Top 10Top 15
217.20208.44193.44178.10

Group 1 candidates - consistent top 3
Nobody at the moment. But Alysa could. Then she'd only have to podium at nationals but even if she doesn't, she'll have a better case than any other group 2's.

Group 2 candidates - consistent top 5 or top 3 once
  • Alysa has scored top 3 once already. She only needs to be in the top 5 at nationals to get group 2.
  • Bradie has scored over the top 5 score seven times in her career and over top 3 twice (excl. Nationals)
Group 3 candidates - consistent top 10 or top 5 once
  • Karen has scored top 5 already. Her goal now is to reach group 2 international requirements.
  • Lindsay needs to repeat her 193.77 score to get consistent top 10.
  • Mariah has great potential to get consistent top 10. She has achieved this score nine times in her career and top 5 twice (excl. Nationals)
  • Amber needs to score over top 5 once internationally first. She has only done this once in her career and it was at nationals. Consistent top 10 will be difficult as she has yet to get that internationally.
  • Audrey Shin has potential to be here as she has scored 206.15 at Skate America. She will need to improve on that by a little bit once or consistently score near it this season.
  • Anyone who podiums at nationals is here even if you've never posted an international score! (Thanks beepboop for the correction)
Group 4 rcandidates - consistent top 15 or top 10
  • Lindsay has a top 10 score already
  • Mariah has one top 15 score so far. She has achieved top 15 fifteen times internationally
  • Amber has top 15 once this season. She has achieved top 15 seven times internationally
  • Gabriella Izzo has top 15 once this season. She has achieved top 15 twice internationally
  • Anyone who achieves top 5 at nationals.
My thoughts:
I liked it better when I thought it was AND the placement at nationals. For example, with AND, Karen would have potential to move to group 4 if she doesn't podium at nationals or not be in contention at all if she totally bombs. It's more complicated but it's a clear algorithm that relies less on favouritism.

The OR for group 3 gives USFSA a lot of wiggle room to pick and choose so skaters will really want to get that group 2 if they can. But if everyone but Alysa does just okay and ends up in group 3 then who knows what will happen.
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This is fantastic, clear analysis. THank you
 
bubblecherry said:
Not really. She just scored 200+ at Lombardia with 3 URs, 2 Q’s, 1 edge call, a 3-2 in the SP, time violation, and a +rep plus missed combo in the LP.

Of course, she would be scoring much higher without such technical issues, but the quality of her skating, performance, spins, and the jumps she does well, is still highly rewarded.

Even lacking technical content, Karen still does enough to get scores competitive with the other US ladies as long as she’s standing up on the jumps.
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You're right and you should say it!
 
Minz said:
How will the US ladies stack up against the rest of the world this year and who has the best shot at winning?
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They stack up poorly against the Russians results and talent-wise; poorly against the Japanese and Koreans talent-wise.

Liu. Karen for quality, but she doesn't have the tech content to compete.

Minz said:
Can Amber Glenn get her 3A consistent/landed?
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No. Lol.

Minz said:
What about Alysa Liu and her 3A/4Lz?
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Alysa doesn't need a 4Lz. 3A is absolutely needed to have a shot.

Minz said:
Mariah Bell - Can she rebound from nationals?
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Meh, don't want her to.

Minz said:
Can Gracie Gold have a strong season/continue her comeback well?
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No - but I wish to see her Daphne et Chloe program done clean at least once :)
 
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