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I’m looking at the excellent chart ice Coverage provided in post 3457 above. Gracie’s score of 175+ puts her ahead of Jill Heiner (172) in the East section, and unless another East section lady scores more than that in the Spokane comp this weekend, Gracie goes to Nationals as the second highest qualifier in her section.
If some other lady from the East section scores higher than 175+ in Spokane, I think Gracie is probably still in as one of the three at-large qualifiers, since she has scored higher than Hanna Harrell (171) and Rena Ikenishi (169) as indicated on Ice Coverage’s list.
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Yes -- it remains possible that whatever score Hanna gets in Spokane could snag second place for Eastern section in final Series standings.
But even if(?) that happens, Gracie probably still will qualify for Nats as one of next-three-in-nation, as you said.
Starr's mother posted today in Starr's fan thread.
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Posted What?? Is it serious? Has she been hospitalized?
I saw Karen, Mariah and Starr live today.
Starr had the prettiest, sparkliest dress, it was really gorgeous. I don't know what happened but it was quite scary when she had to stop as she looked in pain. Hope she will have a speedy recovery.
I think Mariah's skating skills are underrated. She has really good glide and expressive upper body movements that, even though her programs are generically pretty, they work very well on her. She exudes joy. A real shame about the fall but at least she went for the triple.
Karen is a frustrating one. Her 6 minute practice went great and she did multiple 3-3 combos and her speed was excellent. But the competition nerves got to her. It felt like she could have gone for the triple but she hesitated a smidge too long and missed her chance.
Good luck to Karen and Mariah tomorrow, they still have a chance to get the bronze although they will have to be squeaky clean.
Edit: awkward typo...
Starr had the prettiest, sparkliest dress, it was really gorgeous. I don't know what happened but it was quite scary when she had to stop as she looked in pain. Hope she will have a speedy recovery.
I think Mariah's skating skills are underrated. She has really good glide and expressive upper body movements that, even though her programs are generically pretty, they work very well on her. She exudes joy. A real shame about the fall but at least she went for the triple.
Karen is a frustrating one. Her 6 minute practice went great and she did multiple 3-3 combos and her speed was excellent. But the competition nerves got to her. It felt like she could have gone for the triple but she hesitated a smidge too long and missed her chance.
Good luck to Karen and Mariah tomorrow, they still have a chance to get the bronze although they will have to be squeaky clean.
Edit: awkward typo...
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However unlikely it would be, I would love for Gracie to come to Nationals, through down a bunch of fully rotated quads, make the team and saunter off saying, "later bitches." (I know, I know, it's an icicle's chance in hell that would happen).
I hope we will learn more about Starr's condition. Poor girl.
I hope we will learn more about Starr's condition. Poor girl.
Gracie doesn’t have the TES minimums for Olympics — and can’t get them because 1) she wasn’t entered in Zagreb; and 2) also doesn’t have the minimums for 4CCs.Alysa, Gracie and Bradie for the olympic team!
she won team gold but she was hoping for both team gold and individual gold. The theory is that she put her best too early for team gold.
It is different for next year as I don't think US is fighting for team gold (or silver) as I think Japan and Russia might be on that top 1/2 spot. I think US is safe for bronze regardless on who they pick for Women SP/LP.
Speaking of Team event, here is a theory - what if they pick 2 women and 2 ice dance. I mean Nathan already had one team medal (from 2018), and he is going for individual medal (like gold) this time around. Do they need to have 2 men in team event?
Still - she can be a threat next year at worlds when all the top Russian retired after olympics. The fact she is back to her almost-best score should be good news for all of us =)
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I keep thinking surely there is somewhere she can go but coming up blank.
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The men's individual event is immediately after the team event. Since I assume Nathan doesn't want to be exhausted for the individual event, where he's the favorite for gold, he's most likely going to just do the short event. Especially since the short program is more important in the team event as a country can really get buried in the short.
Also, I disagree that Japan will be able to win gold. I think Russia is pretty safe in gold, while US is the favorite for silver, but it'll be close between US and Japan for bronze. Even with an improved ice dance team, Japan will still be buried relative to their top competition in the ice dance segment. M/T will be beat by Russia, USA, Canada, and Italy at least. Wang/Liu of China are also still outscoring them, and they're very close in scores to Kazakova/Reviya of Georgia. Essentially, in the rhythm dance, M/T at best are looking at fifth, and could also end up seventh. USA can reasonably expect to finish second (C/B and H/D are both outscoring G/P in the rhythm dance), so that's at least a 3 point deficit. In the free dance, M/T will probably still finish fifth, with USA in second, so another 3 point deficit.
Oh and neither country is challenging Russia since they have 1 locked up in both ladies and dance, and they'll be 1/2 in pairs. Their only hope at gold is if the Russian man flops.
The US and Japan are on pretty even footing in every other discipline (Japan's a lot better at ladies, but it's an individual competition, and Korea's not participating, so it'll likely be Japan 2 and USA 3). It'll likely be US/JPN in 1/2 in men's, 2/3 in ladies, and they'll be somewhere in the mix of 3-5 alongside Canada in pairs. Men and ladies cancel each other out, and the pairs would need to flop pretty hard for the US to not win silver off the strength of ice dance. Basically, US are the favorites for silver, but Japan can easily win silver if some of the less consistent Americans have poor showings.
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I have bad news for you. There are more top Russians waiting in the wings.
Well that is my dream right now is to have Japan won gold for Team medal - so Shoma can get a gold, along with Yuzuru (if he is healthy) and all the Japanese ladies. The Japanese pair is better than US pair, and while their ice dance is questionable - maybe If Daisuke did make to Olympic, maybe Olympic judges would just throw them all the points next to Russia ? Again, may not be realistic...but one can dream =)
que sera sera =). Perhaps I am a dreamer, but as we have seen in NHK - even Russian can injure in GP and thus possible to have a non-russian sweep podium.
And as we have seen in Skate America - no one is a lock (like Nathan) until the very end.
We should not keep saying no it is not possible when Gracie went through so much up and down from 2017 to here - 4 years cycle. The least we can do is to be happy that she performing better and better and looking forward to her next performance.
It’s important to do both — be happy for her improving performances (and hope for more) and also be aware of the reality of her current status internationally & nationally. Which is: Unless the ISU adds another qualifying competition for TES minimums, it is indeed “not possible” for Gracie to be on the team for 2022 Olympics or 4CCs.
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